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[Demonique]

frylock23 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Icinix wrote...

....I wouldn't say that was...criticism by any stretch.

In regards to your post about your Asari - never really liked their concept either - but they were there from the very start of the game - EDI became what she became later to....well for no reason I can comprehend. Once again though I only have issue with the over-exageratted feminine proportions she has. I think the Joker / EDI romance would have been much deeper if EDI didn't have such a body - it would have really touched on the synthetic / organic romance much better.

EDI got a body to fill that Tech specialist posistion. The fact that she's sexulised really is irrelevant unless the people complaining about it also complain about the super sexualised Asari.

I'm not overly fond of either. I found the ****** to be extremely offensive. Did they really need to go there?

You think that's bad? Someone discovered that someone on BW had too much time on their hands and gave the Banshee model a vagina

[Lookout1390]

Oh yeah, Joker and EDI gonna dry-hump us back into saving the human race....I think..wait..a robot too?....uhh...umm..

Even on the edge of extinction, I wouldn't put my penis in a robot.

This romance stuff was cute at first in ME1, now I'm getting gay whiny shuttle pilots, lesbians showering in their underwear, and camel-toe robots, enough is enough.

[Demonique]

[quote]Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

[quote]Our_Last_Scene wrote...


There's nothing wrong with EDI, there's a whole race of blue alien girls that can breed with anyone that people should start on first if they want to criticise the game as being made for 15 year old boys.

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People do criticize that; at least I do.

Along with Miranda's design and Ashley's plastic surgery (complete with artbook comments about how "she needed to be sexier").

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Seconded about Ashley, at least with Miranda she was that way from the start but Ashley went from normal looking soldier to Paula Abdul in space

[quote]Joolazoo wrote...

It is arguably the dumbest point in ME3...when they actually had that being hinted at I laughed at first and then realized that this was another pathetic attempt at putting a little bit of humanity into robots. I mean honestly...Joker must have no friends at all. Who would try to **** a robot and not have one of his bros go..."That's a little too far man".[/quote]

The only non-Shepard character who seemed to have a problem with the relationship was Eve (though that could also have been a case of not being happy about Mordin giving sex advice to Joker whilst she was in the room)

[quote]Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

[quote]gatsbyfollower wrote...

[quote]Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

[quote]Joolazoo wrote...
Why do people think TIM is a perv? (i.e. are there other reasons to think so, besides the Eva Core?)
[/quote]Letting his quasi- right-hand woman ***** around in that outfit, to quote one of the best one-off characters.
[/quote]Oh yes. I remember that. However, when Miranda talks about her father, she states that everything about her was designed to give her an edge... including her looks. So I haven't really seen it as TIM saying "Hey, Miri...I need you to wh*** around in this outfit, kay?" In fact, he strikes me as pretty asexual...

So images of him wringing his hands in evil glee as he constructs "look at my rack" Eva, doesn't wash with me.

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Asexual? According to his Shadow Broker he has quite the active sex life, I can recall it stating that he slept with four different women in one week (including a set of twins and an Asari Matriarch)

Modifié par Demonique, 20 mai 2012 - 10:00 .

[Omega Torsk]

Because Bioware said so. Apparently, Joker is too much of a boy scout to break the chain of command and date Shepard, so he'll go for the smooth-voiced formerly Cerberus AI now that she has a sexy body he can have bone-breaking relations with.

[SilentK]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Because Bioware said so. Apparently, Joker is too much of a boy scout to break the chain of command and date Shepard, so he'll go for the smooth-voiced formerly Cerberus AI now that she has a sexy body he can have bone-breaking relations with.

Jupp... robot women only come in one form... big ****** which must mean sexy.

Sexy Robot Advertisement Failures

[Loup Blanc]

OP, they were trying subconsciously to push the Synthesis ending.

It all makes sense when you see Joker and EDI standing during the final sequence, like Adam and Eve.

You can say thank you for Walters and Hudson for this. They though they were being smart and artsy.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Because it was necessary for that lame, contrived Adam and Eve reference at the end of the game.

[JBPBRC]

Lookout1390 wrote...

This romance stuff was cute at first in ME1, now I'm getting gay whiny shuttle pilots, lesbians showering in their underwear, and camel-toe robots, enough is enough.

Yeah, they really went overboard with EDI. Bioware romance scenes full of passionate dry-humping (or not, since this was a shower scene) is nothing new. They could've gone the DA2 route and just made everyone bisexual though. Small mercies.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Clearly you've never read his LotSB files. It's basically a list of notches on his bedpost. Asexual he is not. Furthermore, Eva was named after a woman he was in love with in the comics, so the fact that she has the proportions of an adult film actress leads one to believe something unsavory was going on between TIM and his robot prior to Mars.

Why, no I haven't. Thank you for the illumination. It explains....everything....+1 connecting ME3 dots!

[Dont Kaidan Me]

SilentK wrote...
Jupp... robot women only come in one form... big ****** which must mean sexy.

Sexy Robot Advertisement Failures

1. That circa 84 robot is pretty dope. Who knew canned food could be so...appealing?

2. I would like to have a space condo too.

[N7Gold]

The way I see it, EDI and Joker's romance is a pivotal experience for EDI and she learns things about humans that she might have never learned if you didn't encourage a relationship between her and Joker. Through her learning experiences, she learns more about human emotions and morals, for example, she saw video footages from cameras Alliance soldiers snuck into Reaper prison camps and saw the how they treat humans. When she saw how some people stand up for and put their life on the line for people they hardly know, she compared that to the Reapers themselves and found them repulsive because she saw how indifferent and selfish they are, only caring about their own existence when humans not only look out for themselves, they look out for others as well, and EDI knows that Joker would do the same for her even though she is a synthetic being. For those of you who really believe the Catalyst is having Reapers harvest organic life to protect them, you all are FOOLS. The Catalyst only cares about preserving the existence of the Reapers, nothing more, nothing less.

In short, their romance provides clues to show that the Star Kid is a BIG FAT LIAR.

Modifié par N7Gold, 21 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

SilentK wrote...

Well, I miss Joker. I feel as if EDI has more of her own role in this game. She grows. Joker on the other hand, if you removed all his lines about EDI, well, there is considerably less Joker in the game then.

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In ME2 I never quite new what I would get when talking with Joker, he was my friend and we had a good time. I felt a connection to him then.

While Joker had a smaller role, I feel like he was a return to form. There was some stuff there not relating to EDI, she just happened to be a big part of his life by this point. To be honest, I thought his role was too big in ME2 and much worse, I feel like they forgot who Joker was when they wrote him in ME2. In the first game, Joker was somber and bitter. When he did joke, it had an edge to it that was lost in ME2. His entire nickname was supposed to be ironic, for goodness' sake. It's like they completely forgot that in ME2 and they turned him into Captain Fun-Times. He was Seth Green in ME2, but he didn't feel like Jeff Moreau.

While he did have less to say in ME3 that wasn't EDI-related, he felt more like Joker to me. Especially in that scene where he lashes out at Shepard.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Asharad Hett wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

its not forced

pointless thread

Agree.  Just tell them it isn't going to work.   Problem solved.

Even if you tell both of them not to pursue the relationship, Joker still asks Mordin about sex advice. Also, if you choose the Synthesis ending, even if you told them not to pursue a relationship, they cuddle just the same, as if they've been doing that all along.

The whole thing felt very forced, too. Joker went from bantering with EDI in ME2 like she was a sibling (yes, that's what it felt like to me) and calling her "mom" to drooling all over the deck the minute she gets her robot body. Um...what did I miss? They were probably tight after returning the Normandy to the Alliance, but nothing about their previously established behavior suggested he'd go so nuts over her. It seemed very out of character for Joker, who always seemed very reserved about personal matters. I love Joker's character because I'm a pilot, too. I get the whole "I love my ship/plane" thing...but if my plane became intelligent, that doesn't mean I'd bang it.

Also, the rejection line he gives Shepard is total BS. The same guy who grows a beard in ME1 and says, "I'm not shaving it no matter what anyone says," and up and leaves the Alliance for Cerberus in ME2, all the sudden is afraid of breaking regulations? In wartime when regs would probably be thrown out the window if everything goes to hell anyway? It also holds no water when he wants to date an illegal AI. There should have been a Shepard/Joker option (they didn't give us straight females any new LI's anyway, might as well have), as well as perhaps a Shepard/EDI option. Both would have been fun and opened up more options, which were lacking in ME3. I'm also of the mindset that doing that relationship really hinted that Synthesis was the "true ending," which I absolutely abhor, so that doesn't help matters.

Someone mentioned that the fans wanted Shepard/Joker, and that's true. I never once saw a Joker/EDI support thread or group before the month or so leading to the release of ME3. There was a small fraction of Joker/EDI art compared to the Joker/Shepard art prior to ME3. Go to the Joker Group on deviantart and see for yourself. Personally, I have a feeling that they wanted to include more new LIs, and that Joker would be one of them, perhaps even EDI, but they ran out of the time/money to do it, like so many other things.

All that said, I loved EDI's character in ME3. I'm not sure I agree with forcing her into a body, but the exploration of her existence as an AI was great. She had only the Reapers and geth to compare herself with, and it probably confused her a lot, and she even thought herself beneath the crew because she was synthetic, not organic. I thought it was an interesting twist since so many synthetic AIs in sci-fi tend to view themselves as superior to organics. It was nice to see that kind of a take on the "AI's place in the world" trope.

[ThatDancingTurian]

The rejection line is BS, he was just trying to let Shepard down easy because he wasn't interested. I thought that was pretty obvious subtext.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The rejection line is BS, he was just trying to let Shepard down easy because he wasn't interested. I thought that was pretty obvious subtext.

It's not so obvious when you consider the "If we weren't in these uniforms I'd rock your world" line.

[ThatDancingTurian]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The rejection line is BS, he was just trying to let Shepard down easy because he wasn't interested. I thought that was pretty obvious subtext.

It's not so obvious when you consider the "If we weren't in these uniforms I'd rock your world" line.

That sounded more like boasting than real interest to me. Especially since he's saying it during a conversation about his feelings for someone else.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The rejection line is BS, he was just trying to let Shepard down easy because he wasn't interested. I thought that was pretty obvious subtext.

It's not so obvious when you consider the "If we weren't in these uniforms I'd rock your world" line.

That sounded more like boasting than real interest to me. Especially since he's saying it during a conversation about his feelings for someone else.

Why would he even bother with that line if he didn't at least think Shepard was attractive?

Also, I don't see why he wouldn't be. He's as close to Shepard as anyone else on the crew, if not more so. They squandered an opportunity there for him to spill how awful he felt about her death, or something like that. He obviously cares about such things (i.e. Tiptree conversation), but he keeps them bottled up, so they wouldn't be noticeable until something breaks the seal (like Shepard being short with him in the Tiptree conversation).

That Tiptree conversation is probably the only real chunk of dialogue in the game where I thought Joker sounded like himself.

[HurricaneGinger]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The rejection line is BS, he was just trying to let Shepard down easy because he wasn't interested. I thought that was pretty obvious subtext.

It's not so obvious when you consider the "If we weren't in these uniforms I'd rock your world" line.

That sounded more like boasting than real interest to me. Especially since he's saying it during a conversation about his feelings for someone else.

Why would he even bother with that line if he didn't at least think Shepard was attractive?

Also, I don't see why he wouldn't be. He's as close to Shepard as anyone else on the crew, if not more so. They squandered an opportunity there for him to spill how awful he felt about her death, or something like that. He obviously cares about such things (i.e. Tiptree conversation), but he keeps them bottled up, so they wouldn't be noticeable until something breaks the seal (like Shepard being short with him in the Tiptree conversation).

That Tiptree conversation is probably the only real chunk of dialogue in the game where I thought Joker sounded like himself.

And it had the insight we were looking for...it was just that one dose though and it most certainly was not enough. Joker is not himself in ME3 - that is one of the most disappointing things in my opinion.

[ThatDancingTurian]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Why would he even bother with that line if he didn't at least think Shepard was attractive?

Also, I don't see why he wouldn't be. He's as close to Shepard as anyone else on the crew, if not more so. They squandered an opportunity there for him to spill how awful he felt about her death, or something like that. He obviously cares about such things (i.e. Tiptree conversation), but he keeps them bottled up, so they wouldn't be noticeable until something breaks the seal (like Shepard being short with him in the Tiptree conversation).

That Tiptree conversation is probably the only real chunk of dialogue in the game where I thought Joker sounded like himself.

I explained why; boasting. Typical male bravado with a dose of humor mixed in. Just because you're close to someone doesn't mean you're attracted to them. He just wasn't into Shepard that way and wasn't even interested in exploring the possibility. And again, this is an aside during his conversation about having feelings for EDI, which would give him even less reason to explore the possibility with Shepard.

I disagree that Joker isn't himself in ME3. As I said in a previous post, I felt he wasn't really himself in ME2 in comparison to his character in ME1. I think in ME3 he's sort of a merging of both. In moments like the Tiptree conversation you see the more buddy-buddy, touchy-feely version of Joker from ME2, in other conversations you can see the bitter realist from ME1.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 21 mai 2012 - 03:33 .