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[Sisterofshane]

gatsbyfollower wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

gatsbyfollower wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...

xsdob wrote...

How about show me the physical evidence that bioware said this outside the leaked memo that patrick weekes confirmed was fake and said that he never wrote.

Show me this legitimate evidence and maybe I'll consider your point. After all, you are the accuser, the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.

EMS

I somewhat share your belief, but it has already been established that EMS alone is insufficient, as the two highest values of EMS that link to a specific outcome are both from Destroy.

What is directly contradictory to this is all of the dev statements saying that multiplayer is unneccesary to recieve the "best" ending.  As far as I know (has this been changed yet?)  In order to get the shepard-breath scene, you need to play multiplayer.

I was under the impression that a perfectly run file through all games with ALL available DLC gives a tiny bit above 8k (providing of course that you shoot Wrex and delete Maleon's data).  But perhaps I am mistaken.

The problem with this being that not all people will have files to import.  They did advertise it as the "perfect" time to start playing ME.

[xsdob]

What i want to know is why the post says "Says bioware" when no one can show where bioware ever said this.

I call false advertising on this whole thread.

[Bill Casey]

gatsbyfollower wrote...

Agreed, and trying to "darken" it by associating it with TIM was just silly.

Not just TIM...
Also the indoctrinated Protheans...

[Geneaux486]

xsdob wrote...

What i want to know is why the post says "Says bioware" when no one can show where bioware ever said this.

I call false advertising on this whole thread.

'Cause you don't really have to bother with tedious things like proof when the majority agrees with you.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 20 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[Wabajakka]

[KingKhan03]

Geneaux486 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What i want to know is why the post says "Says bioware" when no one can show where bioware ever said this.

I call false advertising on this whole thread.

'Cause you don't really have to bother with things like proof when the majority agrees with you.

Oh please guys I know the ending hate is out of control but BioWare advertised this game terribly considering what we got.

[gatsbyfollower]

Geneaux486 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What i want to know is why the post says "Says bioware" when no one can show where bioware ever said this.

I call false advertising on this whole thread.

'Cause you don't really have to bother with tedious things like proof when the majority agrees with you.

The best part is that in my opinion anecdotal evidence such as tweets and off-hand remarks seem to suggest Control is viewed rather favorably by some Bioware employes.  To say nothing of the evidence already presented in favor of destroy.  

My take on synthesis has always been "let's show off Joker's new glowing arm".  Not exactly a rigorous theory, but I can envision a few self-congratulatory pats on the back, and that's good for a chuckle or two.

[Geneaux486]

KingKhan03 wrote...
Oh please guys I know the ending hate is out of control but BioWare advertised this game terribly considering what we got.

Eh, a couple of representatives made some exagerated-but-technically-true claims to get people more hyped for the game shortly before its release.  It's a bull**** marketting thing, but a relatively small part of the game's overall advertising campaign.

My take on synthesis has always been "let's show off Joker's new glowing arm".  Not exactly a rigorous theory, but I can envision a few self-congratulatory pats on the back, and that's good for a chuckle or two.

I can picture the epilogue text in the EC, "With the Normandy destroyed, Joker needed a new job, so now he spends all day computing pi."

Modifié par Geneaux486, 20 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[xsdob]

Geneaux486 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
Oh please guys I know the ending hate is out of control but BioWare advertised this game terribly considering what we got.

Eh, a couple of representatives made some exagerated-but-technically-true claims to get people more hyped for the game shortly before its release.  It's a bull**** marketting thing, but a relatively small part of the game's overall advertising campaign.

It wasn't a complete lie like capcom did with marvel vs capcom 3.

"there will be unique stories and a strong emphasis on story mode with this game"

We get a 30 second clip of 3 still shots and no voiceover. and only after we beat the game. there was no story mode, only arcade mode with a pathetic powerpoint than a super nintendo could do better.

Mass effect 3 had no where near that level of lying going on.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[Geneaux486]

xsdob wrote...
It wasn't a complete lie like capcom did with marvel vs capcom 3.

"there will be unique stories and a strong emphasis on story mode with this game"

We get a 30 second clip of 3 still shots and no voiceover.

Mass effect 3 had no where near that level of lying going on.

Exactly, and for the most part Mass Effect 3 really did pull out all the stops.  95% of the game surpassed my wildest expectations (I don't count the ending there because I literally had no idea what to expect from that).

[KingKhan03]

Geneaux486 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
Oh please guys I know the ending hate is out of control but BioWare advertised this game terribly considering what we got.

Eh, a couple of representatives made some exagerated-but-technically-true claims to get people more hyped for the game shortly before its release.  It's a bull**** marketting thing, but a relatively small part of the game's overall advertising campaign.

And I understand this but just because it may be technically true it's still appalling how they advertised the game to be a satisfying conclusion and basically gave us a cliffhanger ending, I can understand why people are upset.

[Iakus]

xsdob wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

xsdob wrote...

How about show me the physical evidence that bioware said this outside the leaked memo that patrick weekes confirmed was fake and said that he never wrote.

Show me this legitimate evidence and maybe I'll consider your point. After all, you are the accuser, the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.

Pretty sure Mac said destroy wasn't the best. Not concrete proof, but it does still point towards his support of synthesis.

So he said it but no where on the internet is it recorded at all that he said it?

Do you really think I'll buy that?

It was Gamble, actually:

Here

And Here

though it looks like he's stating an opion, not necessarilly the Bioware line.

Still, I believe that Synthesis what Bioware considers"best ending" due to it's comparatively high EMS cost (highest required that doesn't explicitly require multiplayer or an iOS app), the Catalyst not stating any downside, and there's no "Earth gets trashed" version of it.

I don't buy it myself.  I don't think there are any "good endings"

[gatsbyfollower]

xsdob wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
Oh please guys I know the ending hate is out of control but BioWare advertised this game terribly considering what we got.

Eh, a couple of representatives made some exagerated-but-technically-true claims to get people more hyped for the game shortly before its release.  It's a bull**** marketting thing, but a relatively small part of the game's overall advertising campaign.

It wasn't a complete lie like capcom did with marvel vs capcom 3.

"there will be unique stories and a strong emphasis on story mode with this game"

We get a 30 second clip of 3 still shots and no voiceover.

Mass effect 3 had no where near that level of lying going on.

Comparison to Capcom is really appealing to the lowest common denominator.  I just hope Tekken x Street Fighter is a HUGE hit and wipes the grin off their faces.

[xsdob]

iakus wrote...

xsdob wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

xsdob wrote...

How about show me the physical evidence that bioware said this outside the leaked memo that patrick weekes confirmed was fake and said that he never wrote.

Show me this legitimate evidence and maybe I'll consider your point. After all, you are the accuser, the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.

Pretty sure Mac said destroy wasn't the best. Not concrete proof, but it does still point towards his support of synthesis.

So he said it but no where on the internet is it recorded at all that he said it?

Do you really think I'll buy that?

It was Gamble, actually:

Here

And Here

though it looks like he's stating an opion, not necessarilly the Bioware line.

Still, I believe that Synthesis what Bioware considers"best ending" due to it's comparatively high EMS cost (highest required that doesn't explicitly require multiplayer or an iOS app), the Catalyst not stating any downside, and there's no "Earth gets trashed" version of it.

I don't buy it myself.  I don't think there are any "good endings"

Fianlly some solid evidence. Thank you sir.

Also I agree, there is no good ending and I like that.

[Geneaux486]

xsdob wrote...
Fianlly some solid evidence. Thank you sir.

Also I agree, there is no good ending and I like that.

That's not solid evidence that Bioware thinks synthesis is the best ending.  That's him saying he doesn't think destroy is the best ending and explaining the idea behind why synthesis is viable. 

[KingKhan03]

BioWare will never admit any ending is the best one that's insanity, let people speculate remember?

[Outlaw704]

If its the best ending, why don't the soldiers cheer after the reapers leave?

[Geneaux486]

Outlaw704 wrote...

If its the best ending, why don't the soldiers cheer after the reapers leave?

They're probably preoccupied with the whole "My DNA just changed" thing.

[gatsbyfollower]

Geneaux486 wrote...

xsdob wrote...
Fianlly some solid evidence. Thank you sir.

Also I agree, there is no good ending and I like that.

That's not solid evidence that Bioware thinks synthesis is the best ending.  That's him saying he doesn't think destroy is the best ending and explaining the idea behind why synthesis is viable. 

Be fair.  He just completely removed one of three options and showed a clearly positively-framed message for synthesis.  Coupled with the EMS discussion we certainly cannot make deterministic statements (who can?) but that's a fairly strong argument from where I'm standing.

[xsdob]

Outlaw704 wrote...

If its the best ending, why don't the soldiers cheer after the reapers leave?

Exactly, they do in good destroy and good control so why not in synthesis?

Also, Why does destroy have 3 variations to it?

just because there's evidence doesn't mean I can't still question things?

Besides, it helps keep the speculation alive.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Bioware's writing, the words used by the Catalyst, all of it shows a *distinct and unmistakeable* push to encourage the player to choose Synthesis. The fact that its' the best available ending without multiplayer or the IOS app, combined with the whole official post stating "You can get the best ending without playing multiplayer" back before the IOS app was announced, all point to Bioware's official stance on Synthesis.

[TSA_383]

Outlaw704 wrote...

If its the best ending, why don't the soldiers cheer after the reapers leave?

"No Soul, Replaced by tech.
Whatever they were, gone, forever..."
-A certain model scientist...

[Geneaux486]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Bioware's writing, the words used by the Catalyst, all of it shows a *distinct and unmistakeable* push to encourage the player to choose Synthesis. The fact that its' the best available ending without multiplayer or the IOS app, combined with the whole official post stating "You can get the best ending without playing multiplayer" back before the IOS app was announced, all point to Bioware's official stance on Synthesis.

Except they haven't taken an official stance, so there's nothing distinct or unmistakeable about it either way.

[StarcloudSWG]

They don't need to put out a press release saying "Synthesis is the best ending" for it not to be clearly their favored ending. The game mechanics point to it. The writing of the writers points to it. The words they put into the Catalyst's mouth points to it. Seriously. Listen to what the Catalyst says and the tone of voice used. Destroy and Control are both painted negatively. Synthesis is painted positively.

[xsdob]

TSA_383 wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

If its the best ending, why don't the soldiers cheer after the reapers leave?

"No Soul, Replaced by tech.
Whatever they were, gone, forever..."
-A certain model scientist...

Now here's destroy.

"Focused on big picture. Big picture made of little pictures. Too many variables. Can't hide behind statistics. Can't ignore new data."