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[BladyMZ]

o Ventus wrote...

1. What? Quite literally, EVERYWHERE (No matter what website) says it's 4000. Never once has it been refuted, apart from you. 4000 is required to unlock every ending. You still haven't provided me with any actual evidence about this, only anecdotes (Because those are always trustworthy).

2. I was wrong earlier. In the game files, the highest TMS possible is apparently ~8300 (take with a grain of salt), but it seems most people cap out around 7700, due a bug that still hasn't been fixed.

3. It doesn't matter if Anderson dying loses Asset points, since the final flag is checked BEFORE CRONOS STATION.

4. Except there is no "set canon" for Mass Effect, apart from the broadest, most general terms (Shepard defeated Saren, Shepard defeated the Collectors, Shepard defeated the Reapers). Halo, unlike ME, has 1 set-in-stone canon. Unless it is clearly joke material or non-canon, it's a part of the story. the Requiem addition to the Legendary ending is canon, regardless of if you saw it or not.

1 Actually, I'm stunned, because you are the first person ever to say, that 4+K ems is needed for Synthesis, not Breath Scene. I know I got synthesis with less than 3000 points, so did many other people, but I am nice enough to check gaming site FOR  YOU, and (my innel troll as well):

http://www.justpushs...ndings-guide/2/
Readiness Rating 2800 – Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you’re able to create synergy

http://uk.ign.com/wi...ffect-3/Endings
2800-3999
Synthesis

http://www.raritygui...LERS/Page1.html
2,800 to 3,999 EMS: Shepard can create the Synergy between Organics and Reapers to save Earth and the Galaxy

OK, what's next?

2. Game files make space for future DLC, right now it is impossible to get 4+ needed for Breath Scene, but just enough to get Synthesis, hence Casey Hudson saying you can get the best ending (no race is killed, no technology overkill), which people misinterpreted as getting the "Shepard Lives" via SP alone, which is not possible. 

3. If Anderson dies it does matter for final choices, as the kid won't show you synthesis option in some scenarios. If Anderson is killed by TIM you also need 5k+ EMS, not 4+, to get the Breath Scene. Kid also can be pissed if your EMS was very low low, he has special dialogue if you have low EMS.

And now, the heymaker to your "argument" -


4,000 to 4,999 EMS: Shepard can destroy Reapers.  Earth survives. If you shot The Illusive Man on time and saved Anderson, Shepard Survived.

5,000 + EMS: Shepard
can destroy Reapers. Earth survives. Shepard also survives regardless
if you tried to save Anderson or not. (Perfect Ending)

See? I just love being right. Sadly, in the Internet, we all loose.

Also, you are the first person ever to say the game flags the ending with Cronos Station. Even you said, you can get additional points from Reaper Baby. After completing the game I played the hell out of MP for my second Shepard and got 100% readiness. Loaded up a save of the first, no-mp one, inside the Citadel, got to the Kid. Guess what? I got Breath Scene on my Destroy ending. Why? Because the game flags the ending after you go up the Elevator to Heavens.

4. I still don't see why are you still talking about this eastern egg. They can be canon. This one is. What about it? Give me, and better yet, yourself, a break. We all know about this, 90% of people changed their decision and killed entire race only to see 2 second gasping air by someone claiming to be Shepard, whose last words were "I DON'T KNOW".

Modifié par BladyMZ, 20 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[RoamerZA]

Colleague of mine played the game, no MP and got the synthesis ending.
You do not not need 4000 points to get the RGB endings.
You need 4000 points and Anderson's pre death dialogue, to get RGB and Shepard breathing at the end of the destroy ending.

[BladyMZ]

o Ventus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

according to game guides, Shepard living is NOT an easter egg. its a legit ending. actually - according to the guide, it counts as 4 separate endings. 2 with anderson "dying" and 2 with him being "saved" its split by "saved collector base" "destroyed collector base" I kid you not. photographic proof (sorry about the quality - it was let the words go blurry, or break the book's spine.).

That same book that says your fish count as war assets?

Fish do count as war assets. On new game+. So, yeah, same book.

[o Ventus]

BladyMZ wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

according to game guides, Shepard living is NOT an easter egg. its a legit ending. actually - according to the guide, it counts as 4 separate endings. 2 with anderson "dying" and 2 with him being "saved" its split by "saved collector base" "destroyed collector base" I kid you not. photographic proof (sorry about the quality - it was let the words go blurry, or break the book's spine.).

That same book that says your fish count as war assets?

Fish do count as war assets. On new game+. So, yeah, same book.

Mine don't, and I have every single fish (From both ME2 and ME3, and I have played the game almost 15 times, all on a single import).

[BladyMZ]

Oh snap, I wanted to see you fall apart when pointed out how wrong you were the last few hours, but you lucked out with one argument to save this whole topic - fish.

[o Ventus]

BladyMZ wrote...

Oh snap, I wanted to see you fall apart when pointed out how wrong you were the last few hours, but you lucked out with one argument to save this whole topic - fish.

Not only the fish. Supposedly, the OSG is riddled with either misleading information or flat-out wrong information. I remember reading and posting in a thread that compiled the mistakes (In the general forums), but that was over a month ago. I don't own the book myself, or I'd compile them all again.

Funny enough, the fish were a part of the compilation. It seems they work for some people, not for others. Like I said, I have every single one of them, but I don't get any spare war assets.

[jtav]

It's perfectly possible to get 3k/Synthesis EMS with only SP. I did it.

Modifié par jtav, 20 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[dreman9999]

Silpheed58 wrote...

It is the best ending as in it requires so much EMS for it to be available. Also, it is the best Reaper ending.

....:huh:The ending that needs the most ems is destory with Shepard still alive in the end.

[Versidious]

o Ventus wrote...

BladyMZ wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

according to game guides, Shepard living is NOT an easter egg. its a legit ending. actually - according to the guide, it counts as 4 separate endings. 2 with anderson "dying" and 2 with him being "saved" its split by "saved collector base" "destroyed collector base" I kid you not. photographic proof (sorry about the quality - it was let the words go blurry, or break the book's spine.).

That same book that says your fish count as war assets?

Fish do count as war assets. On new game+. So, yeah, same book.

Mine don't, and I have every single fish (From both ME2 and ME3, and I have played the game almost 15 times, all on a single import).

Did you get Kelly Chambers to give you all your old fish back? And have you started a new game with the same character which took them all the way to the ending? Because I've gotten this to work, and got +10% damage bonus from the Intel Research Terminal out of it. The guide is correct.

[o Ventus]

Versidious wrote...

Did you get Kelly Chambers to give you all your old fish back? And have you started a new game with the same character which took them all the way to the ending? Because I've gotten this to work, and got +10% damage bonus from the Intel Research Terminal out of it. The guide is correct.

I did say that I retained all my fish. All of them from ME2, and all of them purchased in ME3 (along with the fish feeder).

And we were discussing the fish being war assets, not a research upgrade. Do the fish offer asset points if you retain them all? If so, I haven't received it yet.

[Deltakarma]

When a gaming company like Bioware say they have "multiple endings", then say which of those endings is best, doesnt really make much sense does it?

Hudson said that they wont have an A,B,C ending and gave us a R,G,B ending, this is obviously known. When they choose an ending they think is best, that just further proves they were either lying or are just going along with it. Pretty much, when the company says which is the best ending, shows that this isnt an RPG..... its.... its.....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART

[Versidious]

o Ventus wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Did you get Kelly Chambers to give you all your old fish back? And have you started a new game with the same character which took them all the way to the ending? Because I've gotten this to work, and got +10% damage bonus from the Intel Research Terminal out of it. The guide is correct.

I did say that I retained all my fish. All of them from ME2, and all of them purchased in ME3 (along with the fish feeder).

And we were discussing the fish being war assets, not a research upgrade. Do the fish offer asset points if you retain them all? If so, I haven't received it yet.

If it's not working for you, either there is a bug, or you have made a mistake. I was attempting to ensure you haven't made a mistake which I did the first time around, as I did not befriend/sleep with Yeoman Chambers in my first ME3 playthrough's import, and so didn't meet her on the Citadel and get my old fish back. It is most certainly *meant* to happen if you do all that jazz. If a fellow player is not experiencing the 'cool' thing which I have, I will check to make sure that they aren't making the same mistakes I did the first time around. That is all. 

But anyway. Why on earth were you discussing them being a war asset? The guide book doesn't call them as such - you can see the quote above. They provide an intel bonus that you collect from the terminal in Liara's quarters, nowt else!

Modifié par Versidious, 20 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[o Ventus]

Versidious wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Did you get Kelly Chambers to give you all your old fish back? And have you started a new game with the same character which took them all the way to the ending? Because I've gotten this to work, and got +10% damage bonus from the Intel Research Terminal out of it. The guide is correct.

I did say that I retained all my fish. All of them from ME2, and all of them purchased in ME3 (along with the fish feeder).

And we were discussing the fish being war assets, not a research upgrade. Do the fish offer asset points if you retain them all? If so, I haven't received it yet.

If it's not working for you, either there is a bug, or you have made a mistake. I was attempting to ensure you haven't made a mistake which I did the first time around, as I did not befriend/sleep with Yeoman Chambers in my first ME3 playthrough's import, and so didn't meet her on the Citadel and get my old fish back. It is most certainly *meant* to happen if you do all that jazz. If a fellow player is not experiencing the 'cool' thing which I have, I will check to make sure that they aren't making the same mistakes I did the first time around. That is all.

But anyway. Why on earth were you discussing them being a war asset? The guide book doesn't call them as such - you can see the quote above. They provide an intel bonus that you collect from the terminal in Liara's quarters, nowt else!

Because I had heard via hearsay that the fish count as war assets. I asked, and someone who posted a page from the OSG said yes, they do.

Fish do count as war assets. On new game+. So, yeah, same book.

^That's the quote

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 mai 2012 - 02:02 .

[Samtheman63]

Deltakarma wrote...

When a gaming company like Bioware say they have "multiple endings", then say which of those endings is best, doesnt really make much sense does it?

Hudson said that they wont have an A,B,C ending and gave us a R,G,B ending, this is obviously known. When they choose an ending they think is best, that just further proves they were either lying or are just going along with it. Pretty much, when the company says which is the best ending, shows that this isnt an RPG..... its.... its.....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART

Except they never said that

[Versidious]

o Ventus wrote...

Versidious wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Did you get Kelly Chambers to give you all your old fish back? And have you started a new game with the same character which took them all the way to the ending? Because I've gotten this to work, and got +10% damage bonus from the Intel Research Terminal out of it. The guide is correct.

I did say that I retained all my fish. All of them from ME2, and all of them purchased in ME3 (along with the fish feeder).

And we were discussing the fish being war assets, not a research upgrade. Do the fish offer asset points if you retain them all? If so, I haven't received it yet.

If it's not working for you, either there is a bug, or you have made a mistake. I was attempting to ensure you haven't made a mistake which I did the first time around, as I did not befriend/sleep with Yeoman Chambers in my first ME3 playthrough's import, and so didn't meet her on the Citadel and get my old fish back. It is most certainly *meant* to happen if you do all that jazz. If a fellow player is not experiencing the 'cool' thing which I have, I will check to make sure that they aren't making the same mistakes I did the first time around. That is all.

But anyway. Why on earth were you discussing them being a war asset? The guide book doesn't call them as such - you can see the quote above. They provide an intel bonus that you collect from the terminal in Liara's quarters, nowt else!

Because I had heard via hearsay that the fish count as war assets. I asked, and someone who posted a page from the OSG said yes, they do.

I'm pretty sure they don't. Maybe that was the alternative in the choice - I can't really remember what the other option was. Maybe you get a 10 point asset or something along those lines? I'll check a bit later.

[o Ventus]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Deltakarma wrote...

When a gaming company like Bioware say they have "multiple endings", then say which of those endings is best, doesnt really make much sense does it?

Hudson said that they wont have an A,B,C ending and gave us a R,G,B ending, this is obviously known. When they choose an ending they think is best, that just further proves they were either lying or are just going along with it. Pretty much, when the company says which is the best ending, shows that this isnt an RPG..... its.... its.....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART

Except they never said that

Actually, Mike Gamble himself said there wouldn't be an "A, B, C" ending deal. Thing is, ABC is exactly what we got.

[Samtheman63]

I mean they never said synthesis was the best, sorry

[Versidious]

o Ventus wrote...

Fish do count as war assets. On new game+. So, yeah, same book.

^That's the quote

Yahr, then they be wrong. Check ye, the screenshot above, the 'Tip' tells ye what the fish shall give ye. The individual talking with ye be a fool that uses the phrase 'War Asset' loosely and foolishly, like a rapscallion.

[o Ventus]

Samtheman63 wrote...

I mean they never said synthesis was the best, sorry

Apologies then.

Though, for what it's worth, one Bioware employee (I forget his name) favors Synthesis. Obviously not an official statement, but it's the only real opinion we have to roll with.

[Samtheman63]

I prefer the one where the reapers are destroyed and shepard lives -.-

[Versidious]

Samtheman63 wrote...

I mean they never said synthesis was the best, sorry

Not directly...  However, they did say that we could get the 'best' ending without multiplayer. I can't remember the exact quote, but they definitely used the word 'best', which implies that there was a best ending. Destroy is ruled out, as you need multiplayer to get the 'best' Destroy ending, which leaves control and synthesis. Synthesis requires the highest EMS, so it's not a great stretch to assume that Bioware considers it 'the best'.

[Samtheman63]

Or they rushed and ****ed up

Modifié par Samtheman63, 20 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[eddieoctane]

[quote]xsdob wrote...

[/quote]

So when did this tweet between mister walters and a fan occur? And how come it wasn't posted in the tweeter feed in the general forums?

Still no proof, still not convincing. I could probably make up a story right now and everyone would believe me with the amount of evidence your using t prove your point.

I'm a skeptic in all this but i'm giving you ample oppurtunity to convince me, so please at least give me something that can be pointed to and say, "this is empriacal evidence that says this"
[/quote]

Mike Gamble, not Mac. My bad, but both names start with M and it was 2am. link.

It never fails to amaze me when people can't even be bothered to do any research.

[alec1898]

liggy002 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

I would never pick synthesis, as an option it is disgusting. What the hell were they thinking with this option?

It all makes sense in the magical land of IT. It's either that or Bioware suddenly believes what Saren believes.  Saren was a totally nice guy.  Really considerate.

That time he held me in a chokehold over a cliff?

Yeah. Good times.

[mango smoothie]

Mesina2 wrote...

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

It's pretty obvious EA had an hand in this fiasco with ME3.

ME3 has many issues, but the ending is the biggest. I'm still upset that the journal doesn't even update, seems as if Bioware forgot how to make a Mass Effect game. ME2 intro is more polished quality and emotional wise than ME3's.

Yeah!

Let's not say why this is EA to blame, despite all evidence points at Bioware is only one to be blame.
Let's just scape-goat EA like everyone does!

Thank you, too many people just can't accept that Bioware messed up, so they try to blaim EA.