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[slashthedragon]

Vormaerin wrote...

Filament wrote...

...Also, Dude, "gypped" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Robbed," please.

No way.  We totally like our racist terminology when it becomes so commonplace people don't even realize what they are saying.  Isn't it awesome? 

I'm guessing the OP of this topic didn't know.  Heck I didn't even know until I was older.  I also never knew gerry-rigged was a no-no until recently.

Modifié par slashthedragon, 22 mai 2012 - 11:18 .

[Vormaerin]

slashthedragon wrote...


I'm guessing the OP of this topic didn't know.  Heck I didn't even know until I was older.  I also never knew gerry-rigged was a no-no until recently.

Oh, I'm sure that the OP didn't know.  jerry rigging at least has a close equivalent that isn't race based.  "Jury rigging"  has much the same meaning, but has some age of sail origin.   I wouldn't be surprised if "Jerry Rigging" wasn't a conscious conversion.

There's a ton of others, too.

Modifié par Vormaerin, 22 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[dracuella]

Wait jerry-rigged is a no-no? I thought it was WW2 slang for something the Germans did a fast fix on. And while Jerry is a nickname for Germans, it isn't race based.

EDIT: I should mention English is not my mother tongue

Modifié par dracuella, 23 mai 2012 - 07:09 .

[Dakota Strider]

Wow, it is almost like people go out of their way to be offended. Nothing better to do? Or is it the secret satisfaction of censoring people with political correctness?

[wsandista]

To answer the OP, I believe that the PC should have the option to get hitched, but only if the LI is the type open to marriage, and if the story allows for it.

To everyone else getting offended over "jipped", seriously? If the OP wanted to be racist, I think (s)he would've said something much more explicitly offensive than that.

[PinkShoes]

Ericander77 wrote...

PinkShoes wrote...

I guess it would add to the immersion. But tbh its not something i care that much about.

just a small 30 second cut scene is all i would require, even shorter would be ok. 

I think it would of been nice actually in DAO if say you romanced Zev, after he gave you the earring and then decided to do the sex with him he said something like ..."Your mine and i'm yours forever and always" sorta like their own small wedding ceremony. The player could take it as they will that way; some might see it as marriage and others might see it as zev saying he is devoted to the player.

[Vormaerin]

dracuella wrote...

Wait jerry-rigged is a no-no? I thought it was WW2 slang for something the Germans did a fast fix on. And while Jerry is a nickname for Germans, it isn't race based.

EDIT: I should mention English is not my mother tongue

Yes, it is WW2 slang.  It wasn't a neutral term, however.   It implied shoddy workmanship and lack of resources.   Today, it tends to be confused with jury rigged and considered neutral or slightly positive (like MacGuyvering).

However, the original meaning was closer to "Oh, look, another half assed German fix job".

Modifié par Vormaerin, 23 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[dracuella]

Vormaerin wrote...

dracuella wrote...

Wait jerry-rigged is a no-no? I thought it was WW2 slang for something the Germans did a fast fix on. And while Jerry is a nickname for Germans, it isn't race based.

EDIT: I should mention English is not my mother tongue

Yes, it is WW2 slang.  It wasn't a neutral term, however.   It implied shoddy workmanship and lack of resources.   Today, it tends to be confused with jury rigged and considered neutral or slightly positive (like MacGuyvering).

However, the original mean was closer to "Oh, look, another half assed German fix job".

Hmm, okay. Thank you for clearing that up for me
Funny how a word, when it is adopted without proper context, can turn into almost the opposite of the original sentiment. I always assumed it was positive since 'German engineering' and all that is a good thing, and it's also how I've always heard it used in daily conversation. Weird

[Vormaerin]

wsandista wrote...

To everyone else getting offended over "jipped", seriously? If the OP wanted to be racist, I think (s)he would've said something much more explicitly offensive than that.

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.   The comment was clearly intended to inform the OP of the meaning of his inadvertent comment.

Just because Americans don't remember that "Welshing on a bet", "jerry-rigging,"  "japping out/getting japped,' being gypped, "indian giver," and assorted other such phrases are ethnic slurs doesn't mean that they stop being such.

I recall a conversation a couple years ago.  One of my east coast friends was out here in Hawaii.  He made a comment about how somone had "japped" on him.  My Japanese (ethnicity, not nationality) friend didn't get offended, but he clearly was surprised at the gratuitous use of the slur.   Of course, the speaker had no idea the origin of the term.

[Vormaerin]

dracuella wrote...

it's also how I've always heard it used in daily conversation. Weird

Don't know about the language where you live, obviously.  But in the US, most people think "jury rigged" and "jerry rigged" are the same word differentiated by accent.

And, of course, the fact that in WW2 the terms "jerry built" or "jerry rigged" were comments on bad work, while nowadays "German Engineering" is the height of compliments just makes it that much more confusing.

[slashthedragon]

OMG, is "dutch courage" also slanderous? I just starting looking up the phrases mentioned.
As for the topics of weddings, it might have been nice, but I picture a kind of pagan ritual, out in the wilderness, etc.

[Vormaerin]

slashthedragon wrote...

OMG, is "dutch courage" also slanderous? I just starting looking up the phrases mentioned.
As for the topics of weddings, it might have been nice, but I picture a kind of pagan ritual, out in the wilderness, etc.

"Dutch Courage" is actually based on the fact that English soldiers in the 17th century would drink jenever to stay warm or to get ready for battle.

Jenever was called Dutch gin or holland gin in English.  So the phrase never had anything to do with the Dutch themselves. 

[slashthedragon]

Vormaerin wrote...

slashthedragon wrote...

OMG, is "dutch courage" also slanderous? I just starting looking up the phrases mentioned.
As for the topics of weddings, it might have been nice, but I picture a kind of pagan ritual, out in the wilderness, etc.

"Dutch Courage" is actually based on the fact that English soldiers in the 17th century would drink jenever to stay warm or to get ready for battle.

Jenever was called Dutch gin or holland gin in English.  So the phrase never had anything to do with the Dutch themselves. 

Thanks for the info!  (I could discuss this topic all day for some reason XD )

[Vormaerin]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Just saying I'm dutch and have not been offended in any way .

No need to put every saying under a microscope. A lot of things are so common in a language to use that nobody
normally thinks twice about them. No point in making an elephant out of a flee.

Well, I get offended by intent rather than a random word someone happened to chose.  But it is nice if people actually know what they are saying.   There are people who aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt when you use an age old slur unknowingly.

I can tell when someone calls me a haole as a general descriptive word and when they mean it in the original sense of "clueless foreigner who doesn't belong here".    However, those kinds of social cues don't exist in internet writing.

[Withidread]

To make at least some semblance of an attempt to get this back on-topic...

I wouldn't mind a wedding scene, provided it fit the characters. I don't think I'd care for a wedding that turned into a massacre. Although having said that, I do have to confess that my favorite origin in DA:O was, is, and will always be the city elf origin. Of all the origins, that one seemed to provide the most emotional basis for the character throughout the rest of the game.

[BioFan (Official)]

wsandista wrote...

To answer the OP, I believe that the PC should have the option to get hitched, but only if the LI is the type open to marriage, and if the story allows for it.

To everyone else getting offended over "jipped", seriously? If the OP wanted to be racist, I think (s)he would've said something much more explicitly offensive than that.

Thank you, and it's just something we say in Texas, for which we never spell out...

IS IT REALLY RACIST?!?!?!  i feel really bad now if it is... 



Jipped:
"ripped off, missed out on something"
"A misspelling of gypped"

Gypped:
"A slang word that someone uses when they feel they havent gotten theyre moneys worth or if they have been riped off"
"a racial slur against gyppsies"

-urban dictionary



and now that we have filled a page on my spelling error, can we please get back on topic, thank you all. 

Modifié par Ericander77, 24 mai 2012 - 01:49 .

[wsandista]

Ericander77 wrote...

wsandista wrote...

To answer the OP, I believe that the PC should have the option to get hitched, but only if the LI is the type open to marriage, and if the story allows for it.

To everyone else getting offended over "jipped", seriously? If the OP wanted to be racist, I think (s)he would've said something much more explicitly offensive than that.

Thank you, and it's just something we say in Texas, for which we never spell out...

IS IT REALLY RACIST?!?!?!  i feel really bad now if it is... 



Jipped:
"ripped off, missed out on something"
"A misspelling of gypped"

Gypped:
"A slang word that someone uses when they feel they havent gotten theyre moneys worth or if they have been riped off"
"a racial slur against gyppsies"

-urban dictionary



and now that we have filled a page on my spelling error, can we please get back on topic, thank you all. 

Hate to get off topic again, but as someone else from Texas, there are a plethora of sayings that are widely acknowledged as extremely offensive you could've used.

Anyway back to the wedding, if it happens, you should have to gather a great amount of money to pay for it.

[dracuella]

wsandista wrote...
Anyway back to the wedding, if it happens, you should have to gather a great amount of money to pay for it.

Haha yeah! Make it realistic X'D
And a quest involving getting wedding outfits! Or gathering 1000 Andraste's Graces! .. aah the horror, I can see it for me.

[Dakota Strider]

dracuella wrote...

wsandista wrote...
Anyway back to the wedding, if it happens, you should have to gather a great amount of money to pay for it.

Haha yeah! Make it realistic X'D
And a quest involving getting wedding outfits! Or gathering 1000 Andraste's Graces! .. aah the horror, I can see it for me.

"On average, US couples spend $25,631 for their wedding. However, the majority of couples spend between $19,223 and $32,039."  http://www.costofwedding.com/ 

In trying to find a conversion from our world money, to DA economics, I am comparing the prices for two common items.   In DA2 a backpack upgrade costs roughly 68 silver.  For the sake of convenience, going to round that up to 1 gold sovereign/royal.   A decent hiking backpack in our world, can be bought for about $50.   

((edit, hit submit button too soon))
http://i.stpost.com/...0&headers=proxy 
Marmot Boulder 35 Backpack

$49.95

So for 1 DA sovereign, you could buy a $50 item.   Since a DA Hero/Heroine would deserve more than an average wedding, we will shoot for the $32,000 affair.  Meaning that the DA player that wishes to shell out the money for a decent looking wedding, needs at least 640 gold sovereigns.  

I say elope.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 24 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[wsandista]

Dakota Strider wrote...

dracuella wrote...

wsandista wrote...
Anyway back to the wedding, if it happens, you should have to gather a great amount of money to pay for it.

Haha yeah! Make it realistic X'D
And a quest involving getting wedding outfits! Or gathering 1000 Andraste's Graces! .. aah the horror, I can see it for me.

"On average, US couples spend $25,631 for their wedding. However, the majority of couples spend between $19,223 and $32,039."  http://www.costofwedding.com/ 

In trying to find a conversion from our world money, to DA economics, I am comparing the prices for two common items.   In DA2 a backpack upgrade costs roughly 68 silver.  For the sake of convenience, going to round that up to 1 gold sovereign/royal.   A decent hiking backpack in our world, can be bought for about $50.   

((edit, hit submit button too soon))
http://i.stpost.com/...0&headers=proxy 
Marmot Boulder 35 Backpack

$49.95

So for 1 DA sovereign, you could buy a $50 item.   Since a DA Hero/Heroine would deserve more than an average wedding, we will shoot for the $32,000 affair.  Meaning that the DA player that wishes to shell out the money for a decent looking wedding, needs at least 640 gold sovereigns.  

I say elope.

You also forgot to factor in the cost of a dowry. So that would be at least 50 gold sovereigns, bringing the total to 690 sovereigns. Looks like my PC is going to be a bachelor.

[Nomen Mendax]

Vormaerin wrote...

dracuella wrote...

Wait jerry-rigged is a no-no? I thought it was WW2 slang for something the Germans did a fast fix on. And while Jerry is a nickname for Germans, it isn't race based.

EDIT: I should mention English is not my mother tongue

Yes, it is WW2 slang.  It wasn't a neutral term, however.   It implied shoddy workmanship and lack of resources.   Today, it tends to be confused with jury rigged and considered neutral or slightly positive (like MacGuyvering).

However, the original meaning was closer to "Oh, look, another half assed German fix job".

Sorry for more OT etymology, but jerry-rigged is not related to the slang term Jerry (for German).  Jerry is slang for German and was invented in WW 1.  The origin of the term jerry-rigged is not known but it dates back to the 19th century and is presumably nothing to do with Germans, and is therefore, in itself, not racist.

And yes, a wedding for the Warden or Hawke would have been cool.

[thats1evildude]

Dragon Age backpacks aren't like real backpacks, they're more like magical bags of holding. Imagine trying to shove 90 battleaxes and magic staves in your average backpack and then running a mile with it strapped to your shoulders.

[Vormaerin]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Sorry for more OT etymology, but jerry-rigged is not related to the slang term Jerry (for German).  Jerry is slang for German and was invented in WW 1.  The origin of the term jerry-rigged is not known but it dates back to the 19th century and is presumably nothing to do with Germans, and is therefore, in itself, not racist.

No, you are confusing "jury-rigged", which is generally considered derived from make shift repairs to the sails and mast of a 18th or 19th century warship with WW2 slang terms "jerry built" and "jerry rigged", which were derogatory comments about the quality of WW2 German repairs. 

Its entirely possible that "jerry rigged" is a mash up of "Jerry built" and "Jury rigged".   But its definitely not the same term.