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[Nomen Mendax]

Vormaerin wrote...

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Sorry for more OT etymology, but jerry-rigged is not related to the slang term Jerry (for German).  Jerry is slang for German and was invented in WW 1.  The origin of the term jerry-rigged is not known but it dates back to the 19th century and is presumably nothing to do with Germans, and is therefore, in itself, not racist.

No, you are confusing "jury-rigged", which is generally considered derived from make shift repairs to the sails and mast of a 18th or 19th century warship with WW2 slang terms "jerry built" and "jerry rigged", which were derogatory comments about the quality of WW2 German repairs. 

Its entirely possible that "jerry rigged" is a mash up of "Jerry built" and "Jury rigged".   But its definitely not the same term.

No I'm not confusing the two terms.  Altjhough I should correct one error I made which is that, according to the OED, jerry-built originated in the 19th.century.  I'm not sure that jerry-rigged even exists save possibly as a misspelling of jury-rigged.

[edit] the first known use of jerry-built was apparently 1869 - I can't (after an admittedly very brief search) find where it appeared.

Modifié par Nomen Mendax, 24 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[slashthedragon]

Wasn't g/jerry rigged used during WW2 to mean shoddy German repairs (since they were running out of material to correctly fix things)? If my mom and dad were still alive I could have asked them
I have always heard that term used and have used it myself.
Interestingly enough, my ex (who is Haitian-American), always thought it was an insult against black people. I think he confused jury rigged (which had to do with courts and racism) with g/jerry rigged.

[Dakota Strider]

thats1evildude wrote...

Dragon Age backpacks aren't like real backpacks, they're more like magical bags of holding. Imagine trying to shove 90 battleaxes and magic staves in your average backpack and then running a mile with it strapped to your shoulders.

There are 5 backpack upgrades in DA2, each which adds 10 storage slots.  Each upgrade costs about 68 silver (rounded up to one gold).  So, until a better example can be given, I believe my example still works.

[Dakota Strider]

I just prefer to be able to do the math quickly in my head, and not break out the calculator. Thats why I rounded up to an even number. Never claimed it was 100% accurate, just trying to show a comparison between prices in DA and the real world.

[PinkDiamondstl]

I wanted a wedding also. I mean how hard is it to make a 5min cutscene . And in Awakening they don't even acknowledge my warden as queen.

[Cantina]

Honestly don't see an issue at all with it. So long as its done right. I mean if a Modder can do it (tastefully) no reason it should not be in the vanilla version of the game.

[BioFan (Official)]

Filament wrote...

That seems like a giant unnecessary rounding error, if you just used 68 silver as the equivalent it would only be one more step and you'd get 435.2 sovereigns, not 640.

i'm going to say 100-200, thinking of the deep roads funding. but maybe someone will have a rich father. 

[Vormaerin]

Nomen Mendax wrote...
No I'm not confusing the two terms.  Altjhough I should correct one error I made which is that, according to the OED, jerry-built originated in the 19th.century.  I'm not sure that jerry-rigged even exists save possibly as a misspelling of jury-rigged.

[edit] the first known use of jerry-built was apparently 1869 - I can't (after an admittedly very brief search) find where it appeared.

Jerry rigged is, as I said, almost certainly a mash up of jerry built and jury rigged.   I was not aware jerry built had an older entymology in British English, but that wasn't the word I was talking about specifically.  But both terms came into American English in relation to WW2.  I think the first print record of "Jerry rigging" in the US is just after WW2 rather than during it.

Perhaps Brits saying "jerry built" and Americans saying "jury rigged"  serving together in WW2 thought it was fun to combine them into 'jerry rigged" to make fun of the Jerries.  Stranger things have happened.

As I believe I said earlier, some words start out perjorative and folks forget what they mean.   Others start out harmless and become perjorative by adaptation.   In this case, it appears to have done both.

[Vormaerin]

Cantina wrote...

Honestly don't see an issue at all with it. So long as its done right. I mean if a Modder can do it (tastefully) no reason it should not be in the vanilla version of the game.

Do we have any information at all about what Ferelden marriage ceremonies are like?  The rather staid weddings of today's West are pretty atypical of the historical options.

[dracuella]

Dakota Strider wrote...

I just prefer to be able to do the math quickly in my head, and not break out the calculator. Thats why I rounded up to an even number. Never claimed it was 100% accurate, just trying to show a comparison between prices in DA and the real world.

Yeah, no matter how you look at it, it's insane. In amounts of packpacks as well as real life money. I mean, it's just  a party, basically. I'm sure that money could have been put to better use.

And please, all who love weddings, don't yell at me, I'm not trying to belittle the joyous joining of two who love each other. I'm only saying some have a very extravagant way of doing so. 

[schalafi]

Is this topic is still about weddings? IMO, DA3 is going to be an RPG, I hope. I'm ok with romances, in fact that's one of the reasons I play Bioware games, but I really don't want it to be a Sims game. 

Modifié par schalafi, 25 mai 2012 - 04:40 .

[AkiKishi]

Cantina wrote...

Honestly don't see an issue at all with it. So long as its done right. I mean if a Modder can do it (tastefully) no reason it should not be in the vanilla version of the game.

Modders can do a lot of things that are not worth the time or the effort for the real programming team.

[brushyourteeth]

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

[Massakkolia]

What a delightful mishmash of etymology and mathematics this topic evolved into.

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

So true! Marriage is serious business. Some people may be happy to mod Cullen weddings after one flirty line but most players might feel a bit awkward if the relationship isn't developed well enough.

Both Merrill and Anders romances moved too fast for my tastes in DA2. My PC's feelings did not progress quickly enough and she was never given enough time to catch up because the game had a fixed tempo for all relationships. Add a wedding to this mess and my PC will vow to stay a spinster forever.

[BioFan (Official)]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

OMG FENRIS WAS SO DEPRESSING!!!!! By the end i was just like "was that even worth another play through to romance him?" 

[LolaLei]

Ericander77 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

OMG FENRIS WAS SO DEPRESSING!!!!! By the end i was just like "was that even worth another play through to romance him?" 

I never managed to even bed the ****er, he was having absolutely none of it LOL!

[BioFan (Official)]

LolaLei wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

OMG FENRIS WAS SO DEPRESSING!!!!! By the end i was just like "was that even worth another play through to romance him?" 

I never managed to even bed the ****er, he was having absolutely none of it LOL!

He gets even more depressing AFTER he sleeps with hawke. I mean really, HAVE YOU SEEN HAWKE!?!?! 

[LolaLei]

Lmao really? Well, at least he doesn't ask to move in the minute you shag him. Mind you, Anders was also a strange one, I thought he'd be harder to woo since he's always going on about how he's dangerous and would only hurt Hawke, yet he's one of the easiest to win over LOL.

[berelinde]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

What constitutes a LI worth marrying? That isn't a sarcastic question. I'm genuinely curious.

I found the Anders romance (friendship path) very satisfying in terms of drama, mushiness, unexpected developments, and relevance to the game, but I didn't necessarily want the romance to end in marriage. Even on the playthroughs where I ran a female Hawke, I imagined that the ending involved domestic partnership and potential mage babies but no marriage, exactly, unless it was a Common Law variety. Most of my characters were so violently anti-Chantry that a church wedding would have been too much hypocrisy for me to tolerate.

DA relationships, in general don't fall into the marriage track I envision.

Alistair should probably be king, but my mage Warden wasn't suitable. She was happy enough to remain his beloved mistress.

Zeveran... marriage? Get real.

Morrigan? Not the marrying kind.

Leliana? Not a character I could romance with any Warden whatsoever.

Anders? See above. Domestic partnership FTW.

Fenris? None of my Hawkes want more than a fling with him.

Isabela? See Zevran.

Merrill? I love her to pieces, but she is definitely friend-zoned. The feelings she generates are more like "little sister" vibes, not romantic love.

[BioFan (Official)]

berelinde wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

What constitutes a LI worth marrying? That isn't a sarcastic question. I'm genuinely curious.

I found the Anders romance (friendship path) very satisfying in terms of drama, mushiness, unexpected developments, and relevance to the game, but I didn't necessarily want the romance to end in marriage. Even on the playthroughs where I ran a female Hawke, I imagined that the ending involved domestic partnership and potential mage babies but no marriage, exactly, unless it was a Common Law variety. Most of my characters were so violently anti-Chantry that a church wedding would have been too much hypocrisy for me to tolerate.

DA relationships, in general don't fall into the marriage track I envision.

Alistair should probably be king, but my mage Warden wasn't suitable. She was happy enough to remain his beloved mistress.

Zeveran... marriage? Get real.

Morrigan? Not the marrying kind.

Leliana? Not a character I could romance with any Warden whatsoever.

Anders? See above. Domestic partnership FTW.

Fenris? None of my Hawkes want more than a fling with him.

Isabela? See Zevran.

Merrill? I love her to pieces, but she is definitely friend-zoned. The feelings she generates are more like "little sister" vibes, not romantic love.

Yeah, Anders might of been the most open to marrige, beside sabastain that is. I don't think all romances should be marrige worthy, but maybe they might be more open to it in DA"the next thing"

[AkiKishi]

Ericander77 wrote...

Yeah, Anders might of been the most open to marrige, beside sabastain that is. I don't think all romances should be marrige worthy, but maybe they might be more open to it in DA"the next thing"

Polygamy FTW!

[jackofalltrades456]

Marriage? I've been shafted on romances three times in row. First it was with Zevran, Leliana, and Fenris in Dragon Age 2. Then there was the whole mess Jacob in Mass Effect 3. I never seem to pick the "correct" romance to begin with in these games.

So, I'm happy just keeping my character a "bachelor/bachelortte" in the next game.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 27 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[AClockworkMelon]

There's a lot of things that could make DA better. A wedding isn't one of those things.

[BioFan (Official)]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Before we even think about weddings, I'd just be happy to have an LI worth marrying. Every time I replay DAII and try to romance Anders or Fenris I spiral deeper and deeper into a crushing depression.

True, they were kinda light in DA2, i thought they were good, but they just didn't go deep enough with any of the followers.