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[Skyhawk02]

VampireSoap wrote...

Planescape torment was mostly about conversations, but it was AWESOME! Nowadays, the games just lack substance. Too much action and too little storytelling. But I guess the young people right now just care about shooting monsters and setting off the explosives..

I recently started playing planescape torment and have really been enjoying it because of it's emphasis on solving your problems in ways other than combat.  Of course this is the hard way to develop video games and most developers would rather take the easy way out.

[Chrome tater tot]

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

Well... Then it would just be a book.

No, it would be an interactive story. But then again, since when reading a good book becomes undesirable?

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

[FlamingBoy]

yeah the conversations were the best part of mass effect, combat was good but in me3 the combat became what it was about, which I didn't enjoy nearly as much

[Skyhawk02]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

If the ME trilogy was story about hanar spectre in peacefull times full of sunshine and rainbow and not human which is inside greatest conflict of galaxy than yes LoL you could only interact with your mates and npc like in Amnesia ... 
I would be fine with that - THIS ONE WISH YOU GOOD LUCK ON YOUR CRUSSADE ...

You don't interact with NPC's in Amnesia, it's a horror game.  I'm not a crusade, I have acknowledged that Mass Effect wouldn't work without combat.  I'm saying it would be cool if Bioware made a game like Mass Effect with the conversations, Story, Music, Enviroments, etc.  but without combat.  I said this in the OP and have reiterated it several times.

However, I would disagree that a story needs combat to be about war and violence, again, I would point to amnesia, one of the most disturbing games ever made that covers violence and torture as a main theme, yet does so without a combat system.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Skyhawk02 wrote...


I'm not a crusade

I think you mean
"I'm not a Crusader"

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[Skyhawk02]

jreezy wrote...

Skyhawk02 wrote...

You said that combat was Mass Effect's gameplay, to me that means you are playing it mainly for the combat.

No it doesn't. Direct moment to moment action controlled by the player is what makes a video game a video game. In Mass Effect's case it's the combat.

I'm sorry, are you saying that you still would play a game like Mass Effect if it didn't have combat but still had all the other stuff I mentioned?

There would be no "playing" involved, it ceases to be a video game at that point.

That's just semantics, I still think that "games" like Amnesia and Dear Esther are worth "playing" even if they aren't video games because they don't have combat.  I think the other elements in Mass Effect like Dialogue, Music, Visuals, Sounds, Story, etc. are worthwhile on their own and they don't need combat added in just so they can fit someone's definition of what a video game is.

[Skyhawk02]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Skyhawk02 wrote...


I'm not a crusade

I think you mean
"I'm not a Crusader"

Haha, yes, that is what I meant, I am typing fast trying to respond to everybody.  Of course, I'm not a crusade either.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Also:
Heavy Rain: Play it because it's an awesome game
Jurassic Park the Game: OH GOD WHY TELLTALE WHY!!!?!!?!!!! (Avoid it like the Damn plague)
Edit:
Walking Dead the game: Season 2 of the show left me confused and I have no interest in playing the game

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 08:03 .

[L. Han]

Improved and fun combat is welcome and indeed necessary. But not at the cost of good dialogs and conversations. It was present in ME3, alot of the dialogs felt weird and gimmicky.

Was hoping they would improved the dialog. Many times Shepard and his team reacts pretty oddly to the situation.

[Skyhawk02]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Also:
Heavy Rain: Play it because it's an awesome game
Jurassic Park the Game: OH GOD WHY TELLTALE WHY!!!?!!?!!!! (Avoid it like the Damn plague)
Edit:
Walking Dead the game: Season 2 of the show left me confused and I have no interest in playing the game

Looking forward to Heavy Rain, and I have to agree on The Walking Dead, season 2 was written by mostly different people than season 1 and it really showed.  The characters became totally different and behaved in ways that didn't make any sense.  The writers tried to create a lot of conflict but it was really forced.  I liked season 1 better since it mainly focused on suspense and felt more realistic.

[VampireSoap]

Skyhawk02 wrote...

I recently started playing planescape torment and have really been enjoying it because of it's emphasis on solving your problems in ways other than combat.  Of course this is the hard way to develop video games and most developers would rather take the easy way out.

I'm glad you like planescape torment too. I think it's not just "the easy way out", but it's also "the most profitable way". A good shooter always makes more money than a good REAL rpg. (And yes, I have to argue that ME2&3 are just shooters with little or no conversational choices.) After all, who cares about story anymore? Who cares to read anything anymore?...and that's sad.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 20 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Combat is an intrinsic part of the series. However, battling waves of bad guys just to... battle waves of bad guys, is an unfortunate detour down the path of No Context.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Skyhawk02 wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Also:
Heavy Rain: Play it because it's an awesome game
Jurassic Park the Game: OH GOD WHY TELLTALE WHY!!!?!!?!!!! (Avoid it like the Damn plague)
Edit:
Walking Dead the game: Season 2 of the show left me confused and I have no interest in playing the game

Looking forward to Heavy Rain, and I have to agree on The Walking Dead, season 2 was written by mostly different people than season 1 and it really showed.  The characters became totally different and behaved in ways that didn't make any sense.  The writers tried to create a lot of conflict but it was really forced.  I liked season 1 better since it mainly focused on suspense and felt more realistic.

And Season 1 didn't have a random Chick with a Sword and pet Zambies showing up making my eyebrow reach the moon, I'm probably going to Skip Season 3 though..and I agree 100% with you man Season 2 had very forced conflicts...

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 08:12 .

[VampireSoap]

Chrome tater tot wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

Well... Then it would just be a book.

No, it would be an interactive story. But then again, since when reading a good book becomes undesirable?

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

I totally understand your urge to blow someone's brain out, don't worry.

[TheClonesLegacy]

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

Well... Then it would just be a book.

No, it would be an interactive story. But then again, since when reading a good book becomes undesirable?

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

I totally understand your urge to blow someone's brain out, don't worry.

Who do you think he is?
CatamantaLoedis (You know that one Racist Crazy guy who wrote all them threads)

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 08:16 .

[VampireSoap]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

Well... Then it would just be a book.

No, it would be an interactive story. But then again, since when reading a good book becomes undesirable?

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

I totally understand your urge to blow someone's brain out, don't worry.

Who do you think he is?
CatamantaLoedis (You know that one Racist Crazy guy who wrote all them threads)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Please elaborate.

[Skyhawk02]

jreezy wrote...

Nobody but you just said "they aren't video games because they don't have combat". I didn't say anything about combat being the prerequisite for an interactive experience becoming a video game.

Again, I feel like we are just arguing about semantics which isn't really a discussion I'm interested in having, Mass Effect has other ways that you control your character other than the combat, like movement, and choosing dialogue options so it would still fit my definition of a game without combat.

[TheClonesLegacy]

VampireSoap wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

Well... Then it would just be a book.

No, it would be an interactive story. But then again, since when reading a good book becomes undesirable?

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

I totally understand your urge to blow someone's brain out, don't worry.

Who do you think he is?
CatamantaLoedis (You know that one Racist Crazy guy who wrote all them threads)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Please elaborate.

The guy who wrote "Curing the Genophage is Wrong"
Claimed He would kill a dog if it didn't jump for him,
and his mother if she told him what to do
I forgot what I'm talking about.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 08:24 .

[Skyhawk02]

john_sheparrd wrote...

WTF OP why ??
I love the combat system I know the conversations are the most emotional parts of the game but
combat is also very very important

In the interest of discussion, why is it important?  (Please Don't say," because then it wouldn't be game" I'm already having that argument with Jreezy)

BTW, I also enjoyed the combat and I enjoyed the improvements from ME1 to ME2.

[Skyhawk02]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

The guy who wrote "Curing the Genophage is Wrong"
Claimed He would kill a dog if it didn't jump for him,
and his mother if she told him what to do

Crap, I didn't cure the genophage on my first playthrough, I hope that doesn't mean I have some kind of extremely violent and disturbing urges I'm repressing.

[VampireSoap]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrome tater tot wrote...

There are books that are interactive, as the post below you mentions. Also, when I want to read a book, I do so, but when I want to play a game, I expect it to have some kind of action/puzzle sequences beyond simply influencing narrative direction.

I totally understand your urge to blow someone's brain out, don't worry.

Who do you think he is?
CatamantaLoedis (You know that one Racist Crazy guy who wrote all them threads)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Please elaborate.

The guy who wrote "Curing the Genophage is Wrong"
Claimed He would kill a dog if it didn't jump for him,
and his mother if she told him what to do

Wow, I didn't know. That's....

[Bazedragon]

To be honest, the bioware games I've played - and I'd like to assume I've played most of them - the combat and exploration are equally important tools in getting from convo A to convo B.
Now, unless you're playing some epic Jedi character in a Star Wars game who just mind tricks everyone "You will put down your weapons and surrender yourselves" *wave of hand*... you're always going to have combat in these styles of games, and I don't see Bioware changing the style of game they make.

That said, you could always ask for some more fleshed-out versions of the Mass Effect Genesis interactive comic. That would probably do it for you.