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[Ridwan]

I'm glad to see more and more people calling out that happy ending are "immature" as a fallacy.

Modifié par M25105, 21 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[dreamgazer]

Honestly, I really don't. I got two of those with the previous two games, and I'm more than satisfied that this one offered some mental and emotional challenge at the end of the road---you know, in the components of the conclusion that made coherent sense.

[NS Wizdum]

Optimystic_X wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

You can't make that comparison either, since Shepard's cycle was the first in which the Reapers could not simply command the Keepers to open up the Citadel relay to let them through. Other cycles failed because they were separated once the relays were shut down, and their leadership was gone in the first 10 minutes. 

The Citadel trap was not what made the Reapers unbeatable. It certainly helped them take the various cycles by surprise, but their massive firepower is their true advantage.

Look at this cycle - even with the Citadel and galactic leaders intact, the Reapers were able to effectively wage a war on multiple simultaneous fronts, including taking on the two most powerful militaries in the galaxy (Humans and Turians) without breaking a sweat, and still having enough to spare to mop up lesser races.

The Citadel trap may not be what made them unbeatable, but we do not know what does, since a cycle has never gone without it. No one has ever fought the Reapers conventionally before. The Reapers are not unbeatable at all, they have many weaknesses that are not taken advantage of in the main part of the game (the Codex entries outline some). The turians are doing a decent job by themselves, and other victories are shown in the Codex.

[Zu Long]

Damn straight I wanted a happy ending. Still do, have my fingers crossed for a decent 'victory' ending from the extended cut if you get the Shepard survives ending.

[Emerald Rift]

I just want an option for a happy ending (also better different endings in general) then I can actually decided what ending that I want for my Shepards. I just want choice.

[TJX2045]

 I like happy endings, and I want an option for one like DAO.  That would be great.

I would be fine with a bittersweet ending.

I would be fine with a sad/depressing ending if it taught a moral/life lesson and set itself up to do so, like in plays or musicals.

*
What I learned from the ME3 ending?  The handles make a blue explosion, the huge beam makes a green explosion, and the tube makes a red explosion.

Oh and I guess everyone who makes technology who played ME3 learned not to create anything tech wise for fear that their cell phones or digital cameras will rise and rebel against them with camera flashes and obnoxious 90s midi ringtones on max volume.

*end sarcasm*

Modifié par TJX2045, 21 mai 2012 - 08:14 .

[The Night Mammoth]

There are quite a few states the game can be in before the game. Instead of having some arbitrary last choice that effects nothing but the color whilst leaving the rest to the imagination, the game should have ended with epilogues that depend on your choices.

Peacemaker Shepards that unite everyone under one banner, solving problems and ending conflicts left right and center like a galactic Mary Poppins? Happy ending, why the f*ck not? The game can go either way. There's nothing particularly dark or hopeless about it. There's a lot of sadness and sacrifice, but it's balanced by a lot of faith and uplifting moments.

Screw-up Shepards on the other end of the spectrum? You and all your friends should pay the ultimate price for your ineptitude.

There's definitely no singular conclusion, nothing to say that a happy ending by my standard would have been out of place.

[gyrosp]

I'd like to see Shep and Garrus taking some drinks at the beach after defeating the reapers .

[G00N3R7883]

A "happy" ending should be a possibility. It should not happen every time, it should be based on our decisions throughout the final mission, the game, perhaps the entire series.

Of course we have to define "happy". Even with the Reapers defeated, billions of people have died across the galaxy. We have lost some companions. Earth and many other planets have been devastated to a certain degree. Even the happiest possible ending has alot of darkness in it.

But in every war, there are survivors. There's no reason why, if events play out a certain way, Shepard and his/her LI can't be among the survivors, and choose to settle down together for a well earned rest.

Or you know, there can also be a kind of "happy" ending scene where Shepard has died, and our surviving companions get together to celebrate his/her heroic sacrifice.

Or we could have a "happy/bittersweet" ending where Shepard is mourning the loss of the LI/other companions, but at the same time is rewarded by the alliance/council for saving the galaxy.

The only "happy" ending that would spoil the game would be some sort of funky time travel thing to go back and stop the Reapers before their attack began, therefore wiping out any loss at all.

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 21 mai 2012 - 08:57 .

[wicked_being]

To be honest, all I ever expected was to be presented with three endings. Yes, three.

Ending 1 - Really bad ending. Reapers win. Everyone you love is dead. Reapers are shown to continue harvesting other species after 50,000 years.

Ending 2 - Somewhat happy ending. The reapers are dead. You win but your friends and LI are dead.

Ending 3 - Happy ending. The reapers are dead. You win but some of your friends are dead (death is inevitable in war after all). But you also have the chance to start anew with your LI or close friend (if you didn't romance anyone).

[Athlonix]

 Hmm interesting point, personally I'd like to think there is a win and loose ending.  In turn I think Win should Survive, and Loose should be Death. but either end completes the mission and earth is saved, the only outcome you have control on is your Death.  The series has built up to this so I see no reason it shouldn't end on this.
Frankly the amount Shepard has been through I can't see how this is the end, He's battled Sovereign, come back from the dead on ME2, Really? through all the **** he's handled this isn't the end, the current ending is just insulting to the last 6-7 years of story telling, players time invested in the series.

However if this is the end, then I want it to be that there isn't a daft ending and that the Crucibal just doesn't work, Shepard should be at a console trying to activate it, Hackett comes in over the Radio 
Hackett: "Shepard, the crucible isn't firing, it must be something on your end" Shepard: "Admiral, it doesn't work"Hackett: "What do you mean Shepard?"Shepard: "The Protheans never finished it, it doesn't work, somethings wrong"Hackett: "Then what do we do?"Shepard: "There's nothing we can do Admiral, We must fallback"
Hackett: "Where?"
Shepard: "Anywhere, as far away from the Reapers, hide, survive, do whatever ever it takes!"

Perhaps fade to black, epilogue from LI or Garrus. Stating that Shepard couldn't win perhaps, but he died trying.

However the game of ME3 was quite depressing especially if you loose a fair few people on the way, a happy ending would lighten the mood, and me a good vibe to end on.  The only other ending which would be fitting would be like the Halo Reach hidden ending, where you briefly play as the Spartan against insuramountable odds of covenant and you witness your death.http://youtu.be/O8u7iAdmGn8?t=8m43s This would be the only way i'd like to see Shepard die is like this.

In short happy ending please 

[Jassu1979]

I think bittersweet AND happy should have been an option, especially on a perfect playthrough where you've dedicated lots of time and effort to maximizing every single contributing factor and making ALL of the "right" decisions for this to happen.

One of the major themes throughout the whole series was perseverance in the face of insurmountable odds, of facing an enemy so powerful that you cannot reasonably expect to succeed, let alone survive - and yet sticking to hope and being rewarded for it by pulling through.

It happened in ME1 (where you not only single-handedly prevented the imminent reaper invasion, but also avoided being martyred by a huge chunk of debris, emerging with a smile.
It happened in ME2, where your whole crew (yourself included) could survive the suicide mission if you put enough effort into it.
It should have happened in ME3 as well, even if you kept Shepard's death as the default option for most playthroughs.

(And no, that little "breathing scene"-easter egg does not count. That's not a happy ending at all.)

[Benny8484]

I would have liked the possibility of a happy ending.  After all, Mass Effect was SUPPOSED to be all about choices & different outcomes.  We can all see how that panned out.  Anyhow I think its halarious that the reason they didn't include one is because its "to mainstream" & "unoriginal".  I don't always liked happy endings, but after investing probably 400+ hours into the mass effect series min/maxing just to get the best outcome only to get red/green/blue explosions is just ridiculous.

[CJMissen]

Talogrungi wrote...

I would have prefered to have the possibility of a happy ending, but that's not even comparable to my desire for all the endings to make chuffing sense.

I'm down with this

[Dukkhar]

I wanted a happy ending. A bittersweet or an ending where Shepard died but saved the universe would had been ok if it made sense and was what expected since most games seems to end that way.

What's wrong with getting a happy end when you spent nearly 100 hours on a character you followed from ME1 to ME3? Call me entiteled but I deserved that feeling of accomplishment, of feeling I made something good after all that time and commitment. Instead I only got dissapointment and confusion.

[PoisonMushroom]

I didn't really care too much about the tone of the ending, as long as it was good. In an ideal world, we would have had the possibility for a happy ending, a bittersweet ending and a tragic ending.

wicked_being wrote...

To be honest, all I ever expected was to be presented with three endings. Yes, three.

Ending 1 - Really bad ending. Reapers win. Everyone you love is dead. Reapers are shown to continue harvesting other species after 50,000 years.

Ending 2 - Somewhat happy ending. The reapers are dead. You win but your friends and LI are dead. 

Ending 3 - Happy ending. The reapers are dead. You win but some of your friends are dead (death is inevitable in war after all). But you also have the chance to start anew with your LI or close friend (if you didn't romance anyone). 

 

http://social.biowar...8647/1#12150501 

Modifié par PoisonMushroom, 21 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[vixvicco]

Scimal wrote...

Because some of us don't.

Given the circumstances presented in the game, it would only further diminish the threat of the Reapers - the once incredibly intimidating ambiguous destructive force - if Shepard ended up bumpin' brewskies with Garrus. It seems unrealistic.

Shepard needs to experience pain and loss in the climax for the build-up of the Reapers to work. Shepard needs to have a very significant shot at not making it through, and squadmates should be at risk of the same.

While a 'cake and eat it, too' ending isn't something I'm 100% opposed to, without difficulty to overcome there was no journey taken. The biggest threat would have been the Collectors in the grand scheme of things, not the Reapers - and that doesn't make any sense.

So no, we're not scared. We want Shepard's victory to represent the journey and risks taken. If the player does things a certain way and that ends up in Shepard teaching their kid how to play ball - great. If it ends up that Shepard has to blow up the Citadel with them on it, just as great.

This ^^

[elarem]

Before the leaks began I wanted a 'happy ending' as a possibility in ME3 because, supposedly, there were many different and varied endings and we know that Shepard fights and overcomes impossible odds on a regular basis. I didn't want a so-called Disney ending just the chance of a non-death outcome. Thank goodness I read the leaks before playing the game or I might have thought that I was responsible.

As it is I have the singular choice of Destroy because the other two just do not make sense to me. I've read the arguments for them but I can't make Control or Synthesis work for me or my Shepards. I know Synthesis is meant to be the 'happy ending' but basic biological education trumps the space magic of an AI.

The moment the starbrat said that the Reapers were not independent nations thinking for themselves, but only its tools, following its orders, that was the moment the Reaper mystique vanished - because saws, hammers, chisels etc. can all blunt, break or be broken. This is when Destroy became my happy ending.

Fortunately I now have the datapad app and can get the breath scene without MP. Which makes Destroy even 'happier', though how anyone could say it's a happy ending with the state of the galaxy as it is at the end of the game is a moot point.

So, yes, I did want a happy ending as one possibility in the game. No, I didn't want a Shepard dies every time no matter how you play the game ending.

[dsl08002]

im ok with a happy ending

[ReXspec]

Did I not say it already?

Well, let me say it again if I haven't already.

I want a HAPPY ending where Shepard builds a house for Tali on Rannoch.

I want my Shep to shoot the sh!t with his bud Garrus on the beaches of the bahamas and live off royalties for the rest of their natural existence.

I want my Shep to have a family with Tali and see his legacy with them grow.

I want to see Liara continue to tell the story of "The Shepard" long after Shepard is dead and find a family of her own.

I want to see EDI hit it off with Jeff.

I want to see the Geth and Quarians live in peace, and the Quarians without their suits; able to live outside their suits because of the Geth's assistance.

I want to see Javik attain the peace that he was never able to have and have him properly mourn his friends that he was forced to kill.

I want to see Vega become an N7 Operative--and become the badass he was meant to be.

I want to see Kaiden get the promotion he rightfully deserves and either become the next great human Specter, or the next Admiral of the Human Fleet.

I want to see Garrus as the next Primarch of Palaven, or Turian Counseler, or a hardass C-sec Chief.

Most of all, I wanted my Shep to either celebrate with his squadmates at the end of the Reaper war, or have my squad mourn him at his funeral. Bringing the series to the abrupt halt that BioWare has slammed into us is not closure, it's unnacceptable, poorly written, and sloppily executed.

If I haven't said that enough, I'll say it a million times more. Anyone who wants to call me childish for saying so can go f*ck themselves.

Modifié par ReXspec, 21 mai 2012 - 11:15 .

[Ridwan]

nedpepper wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

yy

I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come. 

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.    Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

Dude, those are films. Mass Effect is a game. When you complete a game, the general thing is make sure you get a sense of accomplishment beating the game.

[Baihu1983]

Scared? Ive said plenty of times people who put the work in should be able to get a happy ending just like those who messed up badly should get a very bad ending.

[Ridwan]

Klijpope wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Oh come on. That's just crap and you know it.

Let's take two so called mature films, that film nerds orgasm over. Rashomon and Blade Runner. Both of these films are considered masterpieces, but you know what? They still got a happy ending.

The wood cutter adopts the baby, and the monk is reminded that there is still good in the world.
The bad boss gets his head crushed, and Rutger's character lets Harrison's character live after sharing his tale.

And again, I didn't say all mature movies had downer endings. It's been a while since I've seen Rashomon, but it's a muted kind of happy ending. Blade Runner's is an ambiguous ending, more in common with the end of the Sporanos than walk-off-into-the-sunset type thing.

The Alien series is a closer comparison. Has a few elements of Lovecraftian horror too, and the third one in the series isn't as fondly regarded as the first two. Actually, the Synthesis swan dive resembles the end of Alien 3 quite explicitly, even down to the faint smile.

To switch medium, how about the books of Iain M. Banks, especially the Culture series? Not all end on total downers, but the most space opera-y, such as Consider Phlebas, Use of Weapons, or Against a Dark Background, share many similarities with the ME series. The Revelation Space series is also not known for it's sweetness, and again, contains tropes in common with ME.

Anyway, you can still have a 'happy ending' even if Shepard pays the price. As long as it's made clear that no one is starving and rebuilding can take place (if your EMS or whathaveyou is high enough), and that some kind of galactic civilisation can continue (albeit more akin to the age of sail than the jetliner age), that's a pretty positive outcome compared to total annihilation.

Now, if for Shepard to survive, you had to screw over elements of that, wouldn't that be more interesting than just winning-for-being-bestest?

Nope. It's a video game in the end. Sure, some might prefer that, but come on. If I want to read about depressing stuff, I'll read a book. When I play a game, I don't want something "artsy" (I don't even consider games as art, Is Monopoly art?). I want to be entertained, enthralled almost, and not suddenly experience a kick to the balls, like the current ending. Something where you get rewarded for all the work you did.

And like I wrote earlier, there is already losses. Anderson, Mordin, Legion, Thane and millions/billions of dead people already dead, by the time you reach the citadel. The only happy ending, could only be, killing off the reapers and celebrate victory/honouring the dead with your team.

[The Night Mammoth]

nedpepper wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

yy

I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come.  

Didn't let me know, since it's all up to interpretation. 

I see nothing else that points to an inevitable outcome of sadness and bittersweet. The entire f*cking game is based on you solving seemingly impossible problems, or being a massive **** to people , oh wait, sorry, a Renegade. 

Curing the Genophage and making peace between the Geth and Quarians are the two pivotal moments in the narrative, and I see nothing hopeless about them. 
Sad because well-loved characters die, but the willingly sacrifice themselves to bring about an obviously better future for all. If you didn't find Mordin curing the genophage as a means of redemption, and then seeing that lone Krogan stare off into the bright horizion with Vigil's music playing to be uplifting then there's some problems.

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.  

Yes, a good story people were satisfied with. He sets his themes, his plot-points, then follows them to the end and concludes the story adequately. No wonder people were happy with it, because it's a story told well. Mass Effect is a jumbled mess at the end. 

Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

Sometimes people die. 

Sometimes they don't. 

It could go either way in Mass Effect. They set you up for success with the EMS system and then bring that down to a state of pointlessness when you realize the same three choices are offered no matter what. 

[Athlonix]

ReXspec wrote...

Did I not say it already?

Well, let me say it again if I haven't already.

I want a HAPPY ending where Shepard builds a house for Tali on Rannoch.

I want my Shep to shoot the sh!t with his bud Garrus on the beaches of the bahamas and live off royalties for the rest of their natural existence.

I want my Shep to have a family with Tali and see his legacy with them grow.

I want to see Liara continue to tell the story of "The Shepard" long after Shepard is dead and find a family of her own.

I want to see EDI hit it off with Jeff.

I want to see the Geth and Quarians live in peace, and the Quarians without their suits; able to live outside their suits because of the Geth's assistance.

I want to see Javik attain the peace that he was never able to have and have him properly mourn his friends that he was forced to kill.

I want to see Vega become an N7 Operative--and become the badass he was meant to be.

I want to see Kaiden get the promotion he rightfully deserves and either become the next great human Specter, or the next Admiral of the Human Fleet.

I want to see Garrus as the next Primarch of Palaven, or Turian Counseler, or a hardass C-sec Chief.

Most of all, I wanted my Shep to either celebrate with his squadmates at the end of the Reaper war, or have my squad mourn him at his funeral. Bringing the series to the abrupt halt that BioWare has slammed into us is not closure, it's unnacceptable, poorly written, and sloppily executed.

If I haven't said that enough, I'll say it a million times more. Anyone who wants to call me childish for saying so can go f*ck themselves.

**** i thought my ending was good, thats awesome dude.  Bioware should ****** up their ears.