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[Super_Angurius]

People are afraid that if they say they want a happy ending they won't seem cool or mature. I remember a Star Wars documentary that pointed out how many major movies in the seventies had deppressing endings, because everyone felt that in order to be succesful/ taken seriously as art, a movie couldn't have a happy ending. And then Star Wars came along and reminded everyone that, yes, you can leave the theatre feeling happy.

[Omanisat]

I've never hid my desire for a fluffy-bunny ending.

[Nykara]

I am not afraid to say that I want a happy ending. I kind of wasn't expecting a happy ending though when I went in to ME3. At the very least I expected to loose team member's, especially in that final battle.

Here is what I really expected:

During the final battle I expected my Shepard and her LI to live.

I expected extremely heavy looses from the fleet and I also expected to see some pretty horrendous damage to a great many planets all of them having to rebuild both population and structures.

I expected that the final battles would be EPIC and Shepards final fights to be equally as epic - I expected far more from the take back earth battles then we got.

The ME3 end seemed to be seriously lacking yet I didn't feel that in ME1 or ME2.

I actually expected that the battle to retake earth would be as long if not longer then the rest ME3 that we had played before getting to it to be honest.

[jeweledleah]

I'm not afraid to say I want a happy ending. I was never afraid. I was there in that thread of Chez's arguing wit ha doom brigade that there's absolutely nothing wrong with having an option of having all our squadmates survive - past or present.

I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall of selective realism (a space ninja is realistic, but a triumphant win is not? even though triumphant wins to the wars despite casualties do happen in real life.)

That and the chances of us actually getting aforementioned ending inside a game? are slim to none. no i don't have a lot of hopes for EC. I'll still play it at least once, but I don't have much hope for it

so I'm resorting to headcanons and fanfiction. there's so much that went wrong with ME3, that its pretty much on the same level as Star wars prequel trilogy to me. very pretty to look, but to be mostly dismissed.

[KirikaClyne]

I definitely wanted the option of a happy ending. Heck, DA:O had a wide range of endings and a narrower story line (just my opinion). I hope that the EC will fix at least some of this.

[sliverofamoon]

RavenEyry wrote...

It's not that we don't want a happy ending, it's that we're willing to accept a bittersweet or worse ending, as long as it makes sense and fits the lore.

Exactly!

[Alien1099]

RavenEyry wrote...
It's not that we don't want a happy ending,
it's that we're willing to accept a bittersweet or worse ending, as
long as it makes sense and fits the lore.

People wanting a bittersweet ending is like ordering a snow cone and asking for the vendor to ****** on it to offset the sweet flavor.

People that accept a bittersweet ending is like ordering a snow cone and the vendor takes a ****** on it and you accept that the vendor just took a ****** on your snow cone and you eat it anyway.

Modifié par Alien1099, 23 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[Iakus]

 Not afraid to say I want a happy ending.  Bt what I do not say is I want a perfect ending.

My idea of a happy ending is Shepard alive, reunited with squad/LI and an ending that shows the galaxy will rebuild.  You know, hope fro the future.  And hope that Shepard can finally find peace in this new galaxy.

Seriously, after all the poop Shep's gone through to get this far, is it really that "disney"  to get an ending like that?  Did Odysseus spend  ten years dealing with p*ssed off gods triyng to get home to only to die on his own doorstep?

[Dark_Caduceus]

After seemingly making 90% of chocies correctly, I would have appreciated the option to have a positive-toned ending, yes.

[Galifreya]

I just wanted an ending that wasn't ripped off of about five other games and several movies. Hem. Here's hoping it really is a fake ending, and that the real ending is on it's way in some form or another. =D

Also, a happy ending should be achievable. If you do enough things correctly, sunshine and bunnies should be completely and totally obtainable.

Modifié par Gallifreya, 23 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[N7Gold]

After everything I've done through the trilogy, I expected something good from the endings, yes.
"Experience the beginning, middle and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome."

I believed in that.

[Dormin]

I never wanted a happy ending, just a logical ending... I'll be happy to eat my pissed covered ice cream of bittersweetness just as long as it makes sense, having a happy fluffly bunny ending after facing the greatest threat known to the galaxy wouldn't make sense.

[Seracen]

I fully expected sacrifice, for which I expected a "good ending," in that to a certain extent, Shep gets to ride off into the sunset.

However, I also wanted a "terrible, bad, passable, good, better, best," progression curve

- worst showing the Reapers sipping our brains through curly straws
- best meaning I get to see Shep sipping margaritas with LI while banging in ZERO-G.

Modifié par Seracen, 24 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[Zero132132]

Before I played the game, I wanted there to be a whole range of endings from horrible (almost everyone dies, but the Reapers are defeated) to amazingtastic (everyone lives happily ever ****ing after).

I abandoned that notion in the first mission. Kid saying "You can't help me..." and getting blown up a bit later did a good job of establishing a pretty dark tone. The nightmares he had at night all were foreshadowing his death, I knew that an ending that didn't require great sacrifice would be out of place in a story like this.

I'm not afraid to admit anything. I actually like the ending itself, I just want to know what the **** happens afterwards.

[KillaInstinct81]

I wouldn't have minded the option for a "happy" ending. Truth be told, though, for my "canon" Shepard, I didn't want his story to end up happy more or less. I went into the game fully expecting for him to die. To make that ultimate sacrifice. Just the vision I had for the character.

[Alien1099]

Dormin wrote...

I never wanted a happy ending, just a logical ending... I'll be happy to eat my pissed covered ice cream of bittersweetness just as long as it makes sense, having a happy fluffly bunny ending after facing the greatest threat known to the galaxy wouldn't make sense.

I don't think anybody expected earth to be filled with bunnies and puppies after the reaper invasion.

You don't need for that to be true to have a happy ending, only that you know that the reaper threat is ended one way or another and that the whole galaxy isn't screwed, especially the survivors on Earth who are now at the mercy of the alien megafleet in orbit that doesn't really have anywhere else to go that isn't close by. They weren't all there because they wanted to come to Earth's aid like the US assisting the UK and France in WW2 afterall. They were all there to insure their own survival.

Not to mention that your character shouldn't have to die to facilitate victory. It should have been a choice like Dragon Age: Origins. If you want to sacrifice your character that's cool, but it shouldn't be forced (the fact that for one choice you can "survive" if you play multiplayer doesn't count. You shouldn't HAVE to play multiplayer to get part of the single player experience. The guy that came up with this idea needs a massive kick to the balls for that.

Modifié par Alien1099, 24 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[Whale]

KillaInstinct81 wrote...

I wouldn't have minded the option for a "happy" ending. Truth be told, though, for my "canon" Shepard, I didn't want his story to end up happy more or less. I went into the game fully expecting for him to die. To make that ultimate sacrifice. Just the vision I had for the character.

I think I'm with you - in DA:O I actually had to go through some effort (including replaying the last mission) to make sure my Grey Warden got to go down in a blaze of Archdemon-exploding glory. However, that was powerful and narratively satisfying because I didn't have to let her die - there was a range of options and I could choose, and I choose self-sacrifice for added epicness and rp reasons.

Thing is, the choices offered at the end didn't really offer any involvement anyway, so no satisfaction, narrative or otherwise. I remember getting to the choice on Virmire and spending 10 minutes staring at the screen thinking wtf do I do? And that was ONE guy/gal. Here, in theory, you were deciding the fate of the galaxy - in practice, I didn't feel anything.

I would prefer, personally, if good outcomes came with some strings attached - say you can save a planet/ally fleet by sacrificing a squadmate, you can choose to take harbs out by yourself or focus all of hammer on him with enormous alliance casualties, stuff like that. Then if you've played your cards right (which hopefully doesn't mean "played 100% paragon throughout the 3 games" because that kills roleplaying and replayability), an option will pop up to get the best of both worlds. This way, even if you don't have a perfect playthrough, you can choose to make some sacrifices in order to get some outcomes you/your Shep care about. Which, really, is how ME has largely worked up to Priority: Earth.

[Leozilla]

I wanted 16 different endings from reapers win to Shep on a beach testing seashells

[Humakt83]

As long as all outcomes are not happy, I'm ok with happy ending.

[snackrat]

Good ending =/= happy ending
Bad ending =/= sad ending

An ending like PA proposed - Reapers turning into ice cream, krogan baking Shepard a cake, as Galaxy Emperor Supreme Shepard hoons around on his Segway...
That may be a 'Happy Ending', but it is a Bad Ending.

Most people, it seems, were expecting bittersweet - many fuly expected Shepard would die, but would at least defeat the Reapers in time to save the current cycle - and not without heavy losses, either.

[Jassu1979]

Karsciyin wrote...

Good ending =/= happy ending
Bad ending =/= sad ending

Ah, but neither is the reverse true. "Sad" does not necessarily equal "more profound/realistic".

There *are* good happy endings and bad tragic endings - it's all a question of the quality of writing involved, not whether the ending as such is upbeat or depressing.

And yeah, it's possible to conjure up a ridiculous over-the-top parody of a happy ending involving cakes and rainbows - but the same can be done for a sad ending, with every single protagonist either dying a horrible death or succumbing to drug addiction, despair or mental illness. How's that for a more profound/realistic ending?

[NedPepper]

M25105 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

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I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come. 

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.    Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

Dude, those are films. Mass Effect is a game. When you complete a game, the general thing is make sure you get a sense of accomplishment beating the game.

Ah, so we're back to this argument.   That in a game you must "win"?  Or defining what video games when they have evolved?  How is a story based game any different from a film or a movie? 

That argument is just vague.

[Luigitornado]

Happy ending wouldn't feel right.

[Aetika]

It´s not nice being labelled as immature, little girls, who want rainbows and ponnies. Suggesting that somehow it´s sign of maturity to prefer tragedy. But I am not afraid to say I wanted happy ending. And by happy ending I mean Shepard alive and reunited with his/her LI. If you think that in story, where billions of beings are dead, several planets has been destroyed/severely damaged and close friends died/sacrificed themselves for victory, simple reuniting of main hero with friends or lovers turns that into rainbows and ponnies Disney ending, so be it.

Modifié par Aetika, 27 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[DeadpoolBub]

There should have been a multitude of endings. Ranging from the Reapers winning to the Reapers losing, but Shepard having to sacrifice him/herself to do win. Or an ending where Shepard wins but he loses the Normandy & all of your squadmates & a "happy" ending where Shepard & the squad gets to live.

Happy is in quotation marks because even if Shepard lived, the ending wouldn't be really happy. Sure he/she gets to live on with their LI & friends. But the galaxy is in shambles. The home worlds of the three biggest races in the galaxy (yeah, I'm saying that the humans are bigger than the Salarians) are in ruins. Billions of people have died, even some of your friends.

There really isn't a happy "Yub Nub" ending & I wanted Bioware to portray it as bitter sweet with Shepard giving a heroic speech about Hope, perhaps side by side with all of your remaining squad mates.

Was it really that hard to do something like that? I know Bioware was avoiding some super happy ending, but if they had one like that they could still have made it a bit sad. Hey, they could have even pleased their bosses at EA, by making it open ended for a potential ME4 down the road.