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[o Ventus]

Scared? Of people making volatile comments on the internet?

Yes, I wanted a happy ending for Shepard and co. after everything they've been through, much in the same vein that I wanted a "Reapers win" ending. I mean, I want options, choices, the 2 things we did NOT get at the end.

Even a "Happy" ending isn't going to be happy. Shepard has experienced more loss than anyone at this point. He had to leave a close friend to die on Virmire, he had to run as another friend sacrificed himself so the krogan can be cured of the genophage, he had stood by as another friend passed away in a hospital bed, he had stood by when yet another friend had sacrificed itself to give its people intelligence. He had even been with Anderson in his final moments.

My own Shepard had condemned EDI and the geth to death, because he knew he couldn't control the Reapers, and he couldn't enforce homogenization on everyone still living.

[Agent B406]

I'll admit it. I wanted the option to get one.

[Cadeym]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

The problem isn't whether the ending is happy or sad... it's about it not making any sense when you compare the information we were given at the end with everything we learned before it.

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 To be perfectly honest I would probably have been somewhat okay had I been given the option to go down with guns blazing.
Skip the citadel section, all I want is a much longer space battle where we can assign who does what and where.. same goes for the hammer teams... last man standing epicness.

Modifié par Mouseraider, 27 mai 2012 - 08:03 .

[StElmo]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

I don't have a problem with any kind of ending, provided it fits with the narrative build and theme of the tale and is executed well.

ME3's current ending is bad because it is not narratively cohesive. Happy or sad is irrelevent, both can be good or bad, it's all in the execution.

[ElMuchu]

Agent B406 wrote...

I'll admit it. I wanted the option to get one.

It is the same for me

[Erield]

I wanted a happy ending. I always want a happy ending. I don't always get what I want, and that's not a bad thing. Empire Strikes Back does not really have a happy ending at all; it's also the best Star Wars movie. (Go ahead; argue with me if you dare. You're wrong if you disagree, plain and simple.)

What Empire has that ME3 doesn't have is a hopeful ending. There's hope that **** will turn out right for the people you care about (Han, Leia, Chewie, Luke, maybe even the droids). There's still a lot wrong, and the galaxy is a dark place, but there are clear bits of shining light that help make it just a little bit brighter.

With ME3, I don't even know if I blew up the ****ing galaxy. If I didn't, I'm still forced to become a monster by choosing one of the options presented by the Catalyst (short of believing that Destroy somehow breaks Indoctrination, all three have war-criminal on galactic scale implications). There is no victory, there is no hope in the galaxy; there is only varying shades of crushing despair.

[MysticSpace]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

I was willing to accept that Shepard and Anderson were going to bleed out on the floor and die like heroes then Shepard's soul/dream self got elevated into the Citadel's attic where Casper the unwanted ghost came and voided everything I loved and fought for so screw artistic integrity! I want a happy ending! I want to Wrex and Bakara's kids, the geth helping Tali build her beach front property, Garrus's family on Sur'kesh visting his mom, Grunt and his new company clearing out deactivated reaper bodies on some planet, Rachni Queen helping rebuild the Citadel, Shepard recovering in the hospital from the gun shot wound the whole shebang.

[Helios969]

Hell, no, I've said it countless times. I...want...my...happy ending. It's why I read books, watch tv/movies, or play games. I want to escape reality. I want to feel good at the end, even if it is wholly unrealistic. I like junk food for the brain. I want to escape a bad economy, politics I have no effect on, an increasingly overpopulated and poluted world, CNN/MSNBC/FOX news, petty and ignorant people...

And it's not like I want that ending for everyone else. BW could have incorporated one into the existing space magic ending if proper conditions were met. Why not? People who want more real life can simply choose not to follow that path.

[Vox Draco]

Helios969 wrote...

Hell, no, I've said it countless times. I...want...my...happy ending. It's why I read books, watch tv/movies, or play games. I want to escape reality. I want to feel good at the end, even if it is wholly unrealistic. I like junk food for the brain. I want to escape a bad economy, politics I have no effect on, an increasingly overpopulated and poluted world, CNN/MSNBC/FOX news, petty and ignorant people...

And it's not like I want that ending for everyone else. BW could have incorporated one into the existing space magic ending if proper conditions were met. Why not? People who want more real life can simply choose not to follow that path.

Amen to that!

[D3SM0ND0]

My name is D3SM0NDO and I wanted an happy ending (as an option)

[LelianaHawke]

I got a happy ending...

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 27 mai 2012 - 10:13 .

[christrek1982]

Vox Draco wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Hell, no, I've said it countless times. I...want...my...happy ending. It's why I read books, watch tv/movies, or play games. I want to escape reality. I want to feel good at the end, even if it is wholly unrealistic. I like junk food for the brain. I want to escape a bad economy, politics I have no effect on, an increasingly overpopulated and poluted world, CNN/MSNBC/FOX news, petty and ignorant people...

And it's not like I want that ending for everyone else. BW could have incorporated one into the existing space magic ending if proper conditions were met. Why not? People who want more real life can simply choose not to follow that path.

Amen to that!

+100 blue ending to you mate I agree

[christrek1982]

LelianaHawke wrote...

I got a happy ending...

how?

[LelianaHawke]

Game showed Shepard waking up at the end, and Bioware confirmed at PAX that her LI (Kelly) survived.And she wasn't marooned with the Normandy on some jungle planet.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 27 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[Lee80]

I'm not scared of happy endings. I think they are way underrated. Are they as realistic as unhappy ones...maybe, maybe not. However, if you wanted reality wouldn't playing a game with space magic adepts, floating balls of energy drones, and other such craziness be the wrong venue to start with? What's the point of devoting time to a fantasy world (and many have been with the game for years)...and not get a happy ending? It isn't artistic to force people into a bad ending, it's just dumb.

Really hoping the EC fixes some of these issues. Though at this point, I really don't know what to expect.

[christrek1982]

humm I can see this as a happy end now if the expanded on it in the EC IE showed shepherd recovering in hospital with squad and LI I'd be cool with that.

[Vox Draco]

christrek1982 wrote...
+100 blue ending to you mate I agree

Hm? I really hope you refer with the plus to the blue babies with Liara and not the blue ending which disintegrates the hero of the galaxy? But then, who cares, as long as there would be an option with Shepard really surviving, no one would talk about the other options for long aynway!

[christrek1982]

Lee80alabama wrote...

I'm not scared of happy endings. I think they are way underrated. Are they as realistic as unhappy ones...maybe, maybe not. However, if you wanted reality wouldn't playing a game with space magic adepts, floating balls of energy drones, and other such craziness be the wrong venue to start with? What's the point of devoting time to a fantasy world (and many have been with the game for years)...and not get a happy ending? It isn't artistic to force people into a bad ending, it's just dumb.

Really hoping the EC fixes some of these issues. Though at this point, I really don't know what to expect.

I agree it's a real shame as the rest of the game is so well done do you theink mac and cassy are getting dagger from the rest of the writeing teeam now?

[Ridwan]

nedpepper wrote...

M25105 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

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I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come. 

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.    Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

Dude, those are films. Mass Effect is a game. When you complete a game, the general thing is make sure you get a sense of accomplishment beating the game.

Ah, so we're back to this argument.   That in a game you must "win"?  Or defining what video games when they have evolved?  How is a story based game any different from a film or a movie? 

That argument is just vague.

No it's not. When you play a game the idea behind it, is to have a good time from start to finish. That when you get to the game over stage, you're like "Man that was awesome, let's play again!". That's why the game needed an option for a happy ending, cause newsflash, most of us don't give a crap about super duper sad endings that are "meaningful". The game is already sad, Thessia, Palavan and Earth is in ruins as is many other planets and billions are dead. That's why we're pissed off that the game didn't end on a positive note of us building a new future, instead we got the usual run of the mill, depressing ending crap, like it's some form of mature writing.
The whole game series was about overcoming the impossible, to stand up and show the Reapers that we wouldn't go down, that we wouldn't kneel and it would be their turn to die.

That endings have to be dark and all that crap, that's a fallacy in itself too. Who the hell woke up and decided that only depressing endings were a good way of writing? Hence my title, cause I'm sure as hell, that in this forum community, some here are afraid to be labeled as immature for wanting a "Disney" ending. We don't play video games to pissed on at the end, by some failed nihilistic writer who gets inspired by ****ty death metal bands, we play games to have fun, be entertained and feel awesome.

Mass Effect 3 ending, didn't make us feel awesome, all it did was make us feel "What the **** just happened?"

[LelianaHawke]

Yeah, I agree with that. I have no interest in replaying ME3.

[christrek1982]

Vox Draco wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
+100 blue ending to you mate I agree

Hm? I really hope you refer with the plus to the blue babies with Liara and not the blue ending which disintegrates the hero of the galaxy? But then, who cares, as long as there would be an option with Shepard really surviving, no one would talk about the other options for long aynway!

blue as in Paragon but blue babies are bater so I'll go with that:D

[Ryoten]

I wanted a happy ending. Emo endings are overdone.

[christrek1982]

M25105 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

M25105 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

yy

I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come. 

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.    Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

Dude, those are films. Mass Effect is a game. When you complete a game, the general thing is make sure you get a sense of accomplishment beating the game.

Ah, so we're back to this argument.   That in a game you must "win"?  Or defining what video games when they have evolved?  How is a story based game any different from a film or a movie? 

That argument is just vague.

No it's not. When you play a game the idea behind it, is to have a good time from start to finish. That when you get to the game over stage, you're like "Man that was awesome, let's play again!". That's why the game needed an option for a happy ending, cause newsflash, most of us don't give a crap about super duper sad endings that are "meaningful". The game is already sad, Thessia, Palavan and Earth is in ruins as is many other planets and billions are dead. That's why we're pissed off that the game didn't end on a positive note of us building a new future, instead we got the usual run of the mill, depressing ending crap, like it's some form of mature writing.
The whole game series was about overcoming the impossible, to stand up and show the Reapers that we wouldn't go down, that we wouldn't kneel and it would be their turn to die.

That endings have to be dark and all that crap, that's a fallacy in itself too. Who the hell woke up and decided that only depressing endings were a good way of writing? Hence my title, cause I'm sure as hell, that in this forum community, some here are afraid to be labeled as immature for wanting a "Disney" ending. We don't play video games to pissed on at the end, by some failed nihilistic writer who gets inspired by ****ty death metal bands, we play games to have fun, be entertained and feel awesome.

Mass Effect 3 ending, didn't make us feel awesome, all it did was make us feel "What the **** just happened?"

couldnt of said it batter well done.

[inversevideo]

MysticSpace wrote...

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

I was willing to accept that Shepard and Anderson were going to bleed out on the floor and die like heroes then Shepard's soul/dream self got elevated into the Citadel's attic where Casper the unwanted ghost came and voided everything I loved and fought for so screw artistic integrity! I want a happy ending! I want to Wrex and Bakara's kids, the geth helping Tali build her beach front property, Garrus's family on Sur'kesh visting his mom, Grunt and his new company clearing out deactivated reaper bodies on some planet, Rachni Queen helping rebuild the Citadel, Shepard recovering in the hospital from the gun shot wound the whole shebang.

This! I absolutely would prefer a happy ending. But if I bled out on the floor, the Reapers were destroyed, the galaxy remained united, I would be okay with bleeding out. Instead Shepard is suddenly elevated into the Twilight Zone. WTH?

Modifié par inversevideo, 27 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[nightcobra]

god forbid that after earth, palaven and thessia being ravaged, mordin, thane, legion and possibly many other friends and civilizations dying, shepard has a happy ending, God Forbid shepard can actually experience some joy, relief and some well deserved R&R after all he's been through.