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[Carmen_Willow]

OchreJelly wrote...

Echoing others, a spectrum of endings would have been ideal.

I'm confused why they did not go with one ending where everybody unequivocally dies and the next cycle finds Liara's time capsule. That would have been a very interesting 'bad' ending.

Besides that, there needed to be seperate human-centric, neutral and paragon victories.

A happy ending, even if Shep does retired with their LI and has a beer on the beach (metaphorically speaking) is still bittersweet given how the whole game is filled with death and destruction.

I love the "everyone dies and they find the time capsule" idea.  That would have been sad, but it wouldn't have been hopeless and futile.

[Carmen_Willow]

Sion1138 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

I liked how they did it in the ending of DA:O where you can choose how your heroes journey ends.

This. Sacrifice yourself to end the threat once and for all or take a risk in order to survive.

Yep, it worked for me. I did the US once and chose to live thereafter. 

[Karolus_V]

I want a good ending. Not a happy ending. Well, actually Mass effect being some sort of RPG in its origins, and being Bioware the developer who did it...I wanted A happy, happy HAPPY ending. A Happy ending. A Sour Happy Ending, A neutral Ending, A bittersweet ending, A bitter ending, A revolting ending, A total anihilation ending, and a joke ending. In the end, what I got, was A infuriating endind, A nonsense ending, and a bitter ending, all the three of them, with WTF is this moments.

[Carmen_Willow]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I'm not afraid to say I want a happy ending. It's a lie to say all Retakers never wanted a 'happy ending' and it was perpetuated mostly by some Retakers themselves, to make it seem like the movement was purely objective and logic-based. But there's nothing wrong with wanting the choice for a happy ending, especially after strong precedents both for being able to earn your happy ending and having actual choices regarding the ending.

There's also the fallacy that anyone who does want a victorious ending is just looking for bunnies, sunshine, rainbows and something completely unrealistic that invalidates the entire experience. Anderson, Thane, Legion, Mordin, the Citadel and every major homeworld are gone. Nothing is going to bring them back. Shepard surviving, the Crucible working only on the Reapers, the relays staying intact and Shepard reuniting with the crew would be my 'happy ending'. None of that lessens the sacrifice of those who died. If anything, Shepard betrays their sacrifice by blindly following a Reaper AI when it comes down to it. That's not what they all died for, Shepard.

Very well said.

[Carmen_Willow]

Murvel88 wrote...

Klijpope wrote...

TX-Toast wrote...
I'd also like an ending where Shepard gets Javiked and wakes up 50000 years to find the younger species of the galaxy fighting the Reapers.

Damn, that's a brilliant idea. Pity it looks impossible to shoehorn into the EC.

Space magic!!
I do want a happy ending, or at the very least have the option of getting a happy ending. Damn it, I want to have a post-traumatic beer with Garrus on the Citadel etc etc:P

Now that would have been a great cutscene....cue 20 years later, the Citadel is Reaper free and an older and wiser Garrus and Shepard meet in the bar to toast the fallen.  Yeah, that would have been great! Why wait 'til heaven?

[WyntrKat]

Watching Shepard crawl towards that control panel? Damn right I wanted a happy ending for her! How could I not? But, I would have been able to accept, and probably like, a beautifully bittersweet yet triumphant ending that made sense and remained true to the themes of the game. Honestly, I expected the end to leave me crying and cheering at the same time. Not crying and wanting to bash my xbox against a wall. How could it have gone so wrong? 

Modifié par WyntrKat, 21 mai 2012 - 01:58 .

[PsyrenY]

KingZayd wrote...

would prefer a loss that makes sense over a victory that doesn't.

This.

Given the odds we were up against, I'm sorry, but a Disney victory just wouldn't make sense. 

What we got also didn't make sense, mind you, but that can at least be fixed through clarification.

[christrek1982]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

Personally I liked how ME3 ended over all.

Shepard giving his life to stop the Reapers, one way or another, is a fitting heroic end to his story and ensures that what ever follows ME3 will be a new story with a new hero.  Sure maybe some of the people from the first three pop up again but they would have less impact on the story, like a lot of your ME2 squad mates popping up in ME3.  The only thing I want is to know how the choices I made up to that point will shape events that Shepard ensured will come. 

it's not heroic it's forced I did not feel like a hero nor did i feel the 3 death sentences given at the end did shepherd the justice he/she deserved.

Modifié par christrek1982, 21 mai 2012 - 02:06 .

[Sugarjaye]

I want a happy ending to be one of the endings,

[Zamnil Blackaxe]

Of course I wanted a happy ending to round this off, Shepard just spent the better part of a year fighting an apocolyptical war of a galactic scale, with numorous attrocities commited through out, a galactic deathtoll coming into the billions, Cerburus undermining galactic stability at a most crucial time of war with the attempted coup on the Citadel? Christ almighty when you stop and think about what's going on in the galaxy at large you see just how horrifying the whole situation is. And then to be labelled immature and niave for wanting an ending where things aren't totally ****ed?

Eat a dick, all of you ohsoedgy punks saying that a happy ending is unrealistic bull****, just eat a dick.

[Zoedoll]

Optimystic_X wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

would prefer a loss that makes sense over a victory that doesn't.

This.

Given the odds we were up against, I'm sorry, but a Disney victory just wouldn't make sense. 

What we got also didn't make sense, mind you, but that can at least be fixed through clarification.

The odds we were up against in Mass Effect 2 for the suicide mission didn't exactly suggest things would go well yet it was still possible to win without any casualties. Mass Effect has continually been about Shepard beating the odds. Not saying I want a flawless victory against the Reapers, just that it wouldn't feel in any way out of place to get a less depressing ending. With things as they stand + a happy ending it would still be bittersweet anyway. There were a lot of losses, much more so than in ME2.

[christrek1982]

a lot of people have said myself included that they would be happy with an ending where Shepherd lived and and was reunited with his/her crew and love interest the questin is what a the chances we will get this in the EC? I know I sound soft for saying this and I may be the only one but if the don't at the very least Imply this even with just a few epilogue slides then it's a deal barker for me to be honest

[arial]

i did not want a happy ending, to cliche

[G Kevin]

Sad to say that, if Bioware wanted bittersweet, they didn't have to look very far.

Modifié par G Kevin, 21 mai 2012 - 02:45 .

[PsyrenY]

Zamnil Blackaxe wrote...

Eat a dick, all of you ohsoedgy punks saying that a happy ending is unrealistic bull****, just eat a dick.

Very mature and rational discourse here 

Zoedoll wrote...

The odds we were up against in Mass Effect 2 for the suicide mission didn't exactly suggest things would go well yet it was still possible to win without any casualties. Mass Effect has continually been about Shepard beating the odds. Not saying I want a flawless victory against the Reapers, just that it wouldn't feel in any way out of place to get a less depressing ending. With things as they stand + a happy ending it would still be bittersweet anyway. There were a lot of losses, much more so than in ME2.

You're making the wrong comparison. Don't compare this war to ME2; the odds aren't remotely similar. Instead, compare it to every other cycle that has come before, where the advanced organics were wiped out to a man.

No matter how many millions or even billions died in this one, we came out very far ahead of the others, simply because we actually defeated them and advanced organics are alive. That is victory.

And I'm glad you mentioned the suicide mission, because I'm willing to bet the tone of that ending was exactly what Bioware wanted to avoid this time around. The ME2 ending became little more than a joke, with players deciding to use it as a way to kill off disliked characters ("You cheated on me Jacob? Guess you're volunteering for the vents in my next save") and every ending where characters die being treated not as meaningful sacrifice, but as Shepard's player screwing up somewhere. ("Oh crap, I should have done Miranda's loyalty. Better reload." "Oh crap, I should have upgraded the ship's plating. Better reload." "Oh crap, should have sent Kasumi back with the crew instead of Thane. Better reload.") There is no artistic value - yes, I said it - in any of those statements.

[Aunrielle]

 I think it depends on what your definition of a happy ending is. I would have been fine if Sheperd was required to die in all the endings, but at least give some indication that what I did over the 3 games meant something. Like say if you get enough war assets and work really hard, shep may still die but you can witness the different species rebuilding since the Reapers weren't as successful.

I would not have wanted a really really happy ending because it would not be realistic given the destruction the Reapers are capable of, but they should at least give some indication of the state of the galaxy. IMO destroying the relays were the worst thing they could have done. Killing characters or destroying whole planets is one thing, but totally screwing up the Mass Effect universe was a very bad decision. 
One thing I absolutely hate is a "Gainax ending."This type of ending rarely, if ever, works, and contrary to what authors think, it does not make your story some kind of profound brilliant high art that people will be writing papers on 100 years from now. This is also true of nihilistic sad endings which have become a cliche in the past few years. Both of these endings make the story feel meaningless and confuses the audience especially if the story is straight up space opera like Mass Effect. It does not fit with the rest of the series.

A lot of Gainax endings have something like all the people in the universe merging and becoming one being and living forever in eternal peace. This is pretty much what synthesis is. I guess I just feel that this is a cop out, and usually an indication that the author had no idea how to end the story.

Conflict, stress, and hardship build character. Even when it is clear there will be no sequels, I enjoy imagining how the characters dealt with the situation and what came after. This is what people are interested in when they get into a series like ME. The characters, the relationships between them and the universe they inhabit are the important elements here. Merging all beings into one destroys what makes the universe interesting, and absolute nihilism makes the audience wonder why they even paid attention to the story at all. It's just not good storytelling.

So I guess I got slightly off topic, but for the tl;dr crowd :
I'm not ashamed to say I want a happy ending. It should have been an option, though showing sacrifice would have been important.
I think there should have been a variety of endings based on what you did.
I hate the ending mostly because it is another example of either a failed Gainax ending, or is just straight up nihilistic without needing to be so. 

 

[saracen16]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

Why do you assume that so many of us want a sad ending?

[PsyrenY]

Aunrielle wrote...

A lot of Gainax endings have something like all the people in the universe merging and becoming one being and living forever in eternal peace. This is pretty much what synthesis is.
 

*facepalm*

No, this is not what Synthesis is. Like, at all. Did Joker and EDI merge and become one being?

[Jawsomebob]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

I was hoping for a lord of the rings Return of the king type ending myself.

Modifié par Jawsomebob, 21 mai 2012 - 02:55 .

[Aiyie]

M25105 wrote...

You afraid you'll be labeled as immature? That you like Disney endings?

Come on, don't give me that crap with "I only like dark and depressing endings" you and I both know, we wanted Shepard to chug a beer with his team and celebrate their victory over a dead reaper corpse.

um... no.

i have nothing against a disney ending, it should have been available for those who wanted it.

me personally though, as the series went on i started to want my shep to go out in a crowning moment of awesome (those of you who don't know what that is... look it up on tvtropes).

i would have even been ok with a bittersweet ending (woulda been perfectly fine with an epilogue that showed my femshep sitting in a lonely bar in the afterlife... waiting for garrus to show up for that drink)...

but not if the price for it was space magic.

so yea, thanks for speaking for me... but you're wrong.

[MisterJB]

G Kevin wrote...

Sad to say that, if Bioware wanted bittersweet, they didn't have to look very far.

A bit off-topic and sure to go downhill but I think it's amazing how a Gears of War game has actually managed to exemplify what I hate about the Destroy ending.
"No answers. Just clever ways to kill."

[G Kevin]

MisterJB wrote...

G Kevin wrote...
Sad to say that, if Bioware wanted bittersweet, they didn't have to look very far.

A bit off-topic and sure to go downhill but I think it's amazing how a Gears of War game has actually managed to exemplify what I hate about the Destroy ending.
"No answers. Just clever ways to kill."

What do you mean?

The crucible not being explained?

[Unholyknight800]

I respect artistic vision.

[NedPepper]

Deemz wrote...

I don't personally understand why somebody would not want a happy ending. I generally use my entertainment time for things that lift my spirits. You don't have to look any further than the evening news if you want to be depressed.

Not that I have a problem with people that want a dark and depressing ending. I just don't understand it.

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I guess Cormac McCarthy should change the ending of The Road.  Oh, wait, he's telling a dystopian future story that is filled with loss and violence.  A happy ending would have destroyed the entire narrative of that book.  It applies to Mass Effect as well.  I remember talking to friends before the game was released and we kept saying, "this is going to be tough.  Nobody is getting out of this one."   Some characters did.  That, in itself, was above my expectations.  Everything in the advertising, from Liara' prophetic, "This is it, isn't it? This is the end" speech let you know there was no happy ending to come. 

Again, I'm going to bring up Saving Private Ryan.  That movie's entire narrative rests on Tom Hanks getting home to his wife. He doesn't.  I don't hate the film because of that.  It's A WAR STORY.  It was sad.  It was supposed to be sad.  It wasn't some cheap writing ploy.  It was real.  And it stirred emotion in people. 

Didn't see "Take Back Saving Private Ryan" campaigns, did you?  No.  Because that would have robbed Spielberg of the story he was trying to tell.    Sometimes good people die to protect the world for a good cause.  Are you going to tell me that that doesn't apply to Shepard?

[christrek1982]

so you got your fitting ending I don't know why you think Shepherd being alive at the end somehow lessens the ending we where never going to get a 100% win but a bit of hope at the end would of been nice and as for shepherd sacrifice hadn't he/she given enough? though all 3 games to simply expect shepherd to accept the three endings a face value and in turn his/her own death without so much as a protest lessens the writers attempts to make shepherd seem more human.