saracen16 wrote...
That doesn't matter. What matters is that through the Catalyst's experience, organics and synthetics will conflict with each other. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, and there's evidence to support both. It, however, saw more of conflict rather than understanding, hence - after a series of failed solutions including something similar to synthesis - the Reapers.
While I do see your point, it still does matter IMO. Because it created the Reapers, its best solution, based on an inevitability (no matter if tech sing with bad outcome or synthesis). An absolute law with no exception. The starting point of its reasoning is at best flawed, at worst wrong. So is consequently its solution and so is synthesis, even if the latter seems to be an improved version : Reapers 2.0. It's a solution to a false problem.
By annhilating every civilization without a trace, it denied us any chance to learn of their mistakes and try to not repeat them. It condemned us to reproduce the same pattern again, again and again. After every cycle, back to square one. Its zero risk politic is as circular as its insane logic.
But it's a matter of perspective, I'm organic and think as such, not like a Reaper. And I never will.
I'm willing to to let every one evolve the way they should, not to dictate their fate. Life will always find a way to florish, no matter what could happen. That's called the miracle of life.
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That'swhat I just said. It supports the postulate that conflict is inevitablebetween organics and synthetics. In short, it reaffirms the Reaper's statement.
It does support the inevitability of conflict, in no way its bad outcome for organics. On the contrary.
They influenced past civilizations the same way they used the Rachni. Vendetta even says so himself, that many similar patterns of conflict reappear in each cycle, but in a different manner. The Reapers are responsible for this pattern, and the Rachni are just one part of this conflict.
They've smoked something they shouldn't have in this cycle then. Because it'a a curious way to influence. I'd say that it pretty much contradicts their claims. The Rachni are an intelligent race. Because of the primor, malevolent influence of the Reapers, they could have been completely wiped out. It depended only on Shepard to decide of their fate.
They claim to want to ascend the past civilizations and yet meddle with their business,taking the risk to annhilate them ? Sending Reapers to war, i.e. to an eventual destruction, is also a way to preserve them ?
To achieve their human proto-reaper, they turned their vctims into a goo, as they were still
alive. Couldn't they at least knock them out ? With all their technology, it wouldn't be such a big deal. Or is it something we can't comprehend ?
Do you remember what Harbinger said about us ? How Sovereign despised the Geth ?
They didn't give a damn about organics nor synthetics. Every single thing I saw from ME1 until Marauder Shields confirmed this. It wasn't an emotionless
genocide ascension. It was pure cruelty, a barbaric slaughter, which no words could describe. The brat has only his words and his insane circular logic to support what he claimed. Not enough for me.
And how pray tell does that answer my post? Synthesis is NOT submission.
Yes it is. You aknowledged that the kid was right and that his whole-heartedly advocated solution (Synthesis) is the only possible choice. You didn't even dare to control them. You submitted to his deductions and conclusions, although the Geth and EDI has proven to you that there is maybe another way to achieve peace without turning every one into cyborgs/hybrids. Without the Reapers. You took your future from the Reapers. In other words you've given up on hope.
However, I reacted more to the pic of Saren on your sig than your answer. My bad.
Actually, I have every idea to believe that conflict is impossible with synthesis between organics and synthetics for one simple reason: the barriers between them have fallen. There is understanding and perfection for all. They're not organics nor synthetics anymore, but something else. In fact, the only ending which guarantees a return of the conflict is the destroy ending. Organics will always seek control over what they create.
Yes, the barriers have fallen, but do you remember that there were always conflict between organics themselves ? Between people of the same race, the same family ? Why would it be different now ? Just because everyone has green circuits and green glowing eyes ?
Unless you brainwashed everyone and removed every emotion and instinct, there is no chance in hell that the peace will last for ever. Everything has a beginning and an end.
The Control ending has its issues as well. The tech singularity threat is all but eliminated. Nothing guarantees that Reapergod Shep and her new buddies (aside from turning her to the biggest hypocrite of the Galaxy. But that's a "moral" point of view, which is unrelated to the post), won't turn against us. You've heard her talking about eternity, immortality and all. She's not organic anymore, her mindset has completely changed. And it's just the beginning.
The Destroy ending removes the Reapers from the game. A big issue fewer. They've started their pre-emptive, ruthless genocides based on a flawed assumption. They are the cycle, not the synthetics. Even if tech sing is inevitable, its outcome stays unknown. The Geth and EDI die because the writers decided to tie their fate to the destruction of your archenemy, just in order to balance the choices and for no real other reason.
Where there is life, there is death. Where there is chaos, there is order. Where there is love, there is hate. Where there is compassion and altruism, there is cruelty and selfishness. That's how the Universe is balanced. So the dream of perfection, eternal peace and immortality, while admirable, will stay an utopia. Something we'll always try to reach but never achieve. Even with Synthesis.
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