Jonata wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
Someone started yet another, "Lets hate Synthesis" thread, Angry One is already there so you know how fun that threads gonna be.
It gets boring after the first 50.000 threads. Especially when Angry One is involved.
Modifié par saracen16, 08 août 2012 - 02:00 .
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 08 août 2012 - 05:30 .
Sounds not quite plausible if you ask me. Somehow, those "conjoined minds" make up the Reaper mind, and that didn't sound particularly tormented to me, in none of the three Reapers we speak to. The thing beyond our understanding is exaclty how a superior intelligence results of that conjoining of minds. Everything else is just mind control - and I mean control *of* the mind, the subversion of the will. If there's a continuity of individual minds here, they're all subverted into furthering the Catalyst's designs. There might be an unpleasant awakening if you choose Synthesis, but I don't get that "eternal torment" vibe.Chashan wrote...
Another thing...I know it might not entirely fit, but thinking of what being encapsulated as an individual into a Reaper-Collective might be like, I found the lyrics of Rammstein's "Ich will" disturbingly...accurate, while I was firing up that stuff on my radio just today.
Könnt ihr mich hören?
Könnt ihr mich sehen?
Könnt ihr mich fühlen?
Ich versteh euch nicht
Not to mention the interesting description of what the Indoctrination-frequence sounds like in ME1 - not identified as such yet then, true, but bear with me:
"screams/shrieks of the damned", if I recall correctly.
Something that, if we for one moment keep the verbose techno-babble of the stuff aside, would fit eerily well for what individual consciousnesses in a Reaper-construct could have to endure:
ever-lasting torment, agony, joining a chorus crying this out continuously for an eternity.
Sounds mystifying and transcending mortal understanding enough to me. In a diabolic way.
Sometimes, perhaps. But not in an ending like this, where so many details are left to interpretation. The ending calls us to think about what it all happens, and so I do. Some elements appear to be made to not think about them, but I'm sorry, as long as it's part of the ending scenario I won't ignore it without a good cause.Taboo-XX wrote...
Sometimes you have to stop thinking though, as there is little to be done. It reminds me of people who think that there is something intellectual behind Andy Warhol films. There isn't. Simply thinking about them (or watching them) insults your intelligence. To be fair though, Bioware has not made a five hour film of a man simply sleeping.
To some degree, symbolism is always in the eye of the beholder. But there are themes running through various cultures that trigger associations in many different people.I don't believe symbolism should be apparent, and should be inferred by the audience. I won't go into detail, but one might argue that symbolism occurs, at least abstractly, when Shepard romances Miranda.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 août 2012 - 10:49 .
BrookerT wrote...
I was looking back through my old artwork the other day, the stuff I did for my GCSE, and I found this, I did a year ago. Quite eerie how close to what Synthesis is:
It was for a topic on Evolution
pirate1802 wrote...
BrookerT wrote...
I was looking back through my old artwork the other day, the stuff I did for my GCSE, and I found this, I did a year ago. Quite eerie how close to what Synthesis is:
It was for a topic on Evolution
*Smokes cigar*
Synthesis is more than just a process, its an ideal. And an ideal cannot be easily killed.
pirate1802 wrote...
Seriously though, am I the only one who thinks the circuit skin (NOT the green eyes) are kinda cool?
Modifié par shepdog77, 08 août 2012 - 02:21 .
pirate1802 wrote...
Yeah Joker scene's were alright. The patterns in the memorial scene were alright. Others were overdone, especially the glowing eyes..
Ieldra2 wrote...
The subtle patterns in the scene with Joker are cool. The patterns in the epilogue slides are not. Probably they overdid it all to escape yet another round of accusations that "the endings all look the same".
Let me put it this way: as suggested by some, what coordinates every individual Reap-hurr is akin to an "operating system". That works fine, true enough.Sounds not quite plausible if you ask me. Somehow, those "conjoined minds" make up the Reaper mind, and that didn't sound particularly tormented to me, in none of the three Reapers we speak to.
The thing beyond our understanding is exaclty how a superior intelligence results of that conjoining of minds. Everything else is just mind control - and I mean control *of* the mind, the subversion of the will. If there's a continuity of individual minds here, they're all subverted into furthering the Catalyst's designs. There might be an unpleasant awakening if you choose Synthesis, but I don't get that "eternal torment" vibe.
Of course that's *explicitly* a matter of interpretation. Paragon Shepard appears to subscribe to a viewpoint similar to yours in the Reaper conversation on Rannoch. I suspected in advance that particular Paragon option (as well as the one with TIM on the Citadel) would be something I don't like, so I never used it.
Modifié par Chashan, 08 août 2012 - 04:15 .
Taboo-XX wrote...
Interestingly enough, it has been brought to my attention that Jack Harper (The Illusive Man) dismisses Clarke's third law in one of the comics.
I don't find that funny as much as I do a sign of how much the writing deviates once Hudson and Walters get involved.
Synthesis happens, I've come to accept that, but that doesn't excuse it's presentation.
Shaigunjoe wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
Interestingly enough, it has been brought to my attention that Jack Harper (The Illusive Man) dismisses Clarke's third law in one of the comics.
I don't find that funny as much as I do a sign of how much the writing deviates once Hudson and Walters get involved.
Synthesis happens, I've come to accept that, but that doesn't excuse it's presentation.
Isn't Walters the lead on the comics?
jtav wrote...
Can you guys answer an objection to Synthesis?
Doesn't it invalidate the worth of the geth and EDI in their previous states? EDI says "I am alive" implying that she wasn't before. Doesn't that negate her and Legion's arcs by denying their personhood? For that matter, doesn't it negate Legion's sacrifice since the Reaper code was insufficient?
RiouHotaru wrote...
How is dismissing Clarke's laws a bad thing? The Laws were a fictional set of rules applied to robots anyway. Actually believing they were being used is what lead Harper to dismiss them.
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