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[Ieldra]

pirate1802 wrote...
Well I was speculating (lol) on what actually causes the reapers to be non-hostile in synthesis.
The green beam hits the too, and their lights turn green so they are definitely affected by the beam as we are. Here is what I thought:

1. Their (the catalyst's?) directive is complete. They don't have any reason to harvest now.
2. The synthesis beam affects them as it did any other synthetic. So they were "humanized" so to speak, and freed from the catalyst's control.
3. The combination of both? Their original objective was complete and they were synthesized by the beam?

Personally I go with 2, or maybe 3. What do you think?

This is not an easy question to answer, because so much about the nature of the Reapers is still unknown. If I assume that the Reapers are avatars of civilizations, made in a similar way as Control!Shepard, then freeing them from the Catalyst's control might be enough to make them generally agreeable, possibly with a few exceptions. If, in the Reaperization process, they lost their understanding of what they were before, then Synthesis will probably restore it.

I think the Reapers will stay remote and somewhat aloof. They may help rebuilding and make their knowledge available, but they'll often do and say things incomprehensible to a normal organic because their cognitive processes work differently from others. 

Also, I have seen a lot of people here demanding cutscenes of Krogan fighting alongside the Rachni. They find reapers helping the galaxy rebuild wrong and signs of indoctrination, yet they find nothing wrong with krogan allied to the rachni...

The irony.....

But to be honest, it's not quite the same thing. The krogan and the rachni hate the Reapers. A common enemy has a way of making past disagreements seem insignificant, though I still can't see them fight alongside each other.

[bukkfizzman]

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[Taboo]

^ Yes, Synthesis is the ideal solution to the Organic v. Synthetic dilemma. But you don't have to pick it for that reason alone.

Synthesis does offer benefits, but it also has drawbacks.

People will still be dicks.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[ATiBotka]

Hello Synthesis supporters!
I've made two new sig.





Feel free to use it.

Modifié par ATiBotka, 11 août 2012 - 10:48 .

[Taboo]

That signature reminds me a lot of this.

Not alone. 

Lord, here comes the flood
We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood
If again the seas are silent
in any still alive
It'll be those who gave their island to survive
Drink up, dreamers, you're running dry.

I'm not sure I see that as a good thing.

[Ieldra]

ATiBotka wrote...

Hello Synthesis supporters!
I've made two new sig.





Feel free to use it.

Thank you! I've put them in the OP, if you don't mind.

LOL....just thought saying "I chose Synthesis, and I am not alone" might also be appropriate. Synthesis was never a choice a majority would feel comfortable with, but the level of hate here on BSN has been...surprising.

[Taboo]

It's gotten better. The treatment of Synthesis. I've even come to your defense more than once.

I just wish you'd stop taking everything I post so seriously Ieldra.

Also, I wanted to propose something to you but I think it's going to have to wait for Leviathan. 

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 12 août 2012 - 08:18 .

[Roobz82]

Thank you OP, synthesis was my first choice pre BSN. I could not abandon the geth. I must admit post corporeal evolution was always on my mind.

[DirtyPhoenix]

AtiBotka, I used your sigs and modified them a bit. Hope you don't mind. xD

Modifié par pirate1802, 12 août 2012 - 08:26 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's gotten better. The treatment of Synthesis. I've even come to your defense more than once.

I just wish you'd stop taking everything I post so seriously Ieldra.

Also, I wanted to propose something to you but I think it's going to have to wait for Leviathan. 

I agree. I remember when I first came to BSN, one guy posted a thread named "synthesis is beautiful", and he was totally run over by the anti's.
I see more synthesizers around these days.

Modifié par pirate1802, 12 août 2012 - 08:35 .

[Taboo]

Actually a lot of it is my fault. I was one of the first people to attack it openly. People started becoming more aggressive after that post.

Certain aspects of Synthesis still trouble me greatly, but I can look past it if Ieldra can. I simply use the word dishonest now, in place of other words. If I knew what Ieldra was talking about half the time this might go better.

I truly don't care what people pick. I expect unplesent things to be said from time to time though.

Although I should relay a bit of information to Ieldra...

Fascist aesthetics has been used to describe the new Batman film from Nolan in nerdy film circles.

And yes, that's a joke. But it is true Ieldra. The topic coming up in discussions.

[ATiBotka]

pirate1802 wrote...

AtiBotka, I used your sigs and modified them a bit. Hope you don't mind. xD

No problem. It looks better than mine. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

ATiBotka wrote...

No problem. It looks better than mine. 

Teh inspiration man, thats important. You provided the inspiration. I only synthesized your sigs.

Modifié par pirate1802, 12 août 2012 - 09:10 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...
LOL....just thought saying "I chose Synthesis, and I am not alone" might also be appropriate. Synthesis was never a choice a majority would feel comfortable with, but the level of hate here on BSN has been...surprising.

[Eterna]

I choose Synthesis on my main Shepard who always strove for peace, it seemed fitting for her character. The obnoxious green glow that everyone has after is kind of off putting though.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The Quarians don't seem to have the bright green eyes. Their eyes do look green but they don't glow as brightly.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Actually the eye glow varies. James in the memorial scene has perfectly normal eyes, so does your LI. Even Joker's eyes seem normal at that scene.

[Eterna]

pirate1802 wrote...

Actually the eye glow varies. James in the memorial scene has perfectly normal eyes, so does your LI. Even Joker's eyes seem normal at that scene.

I think they amped it up in some scenes to show it was affecting everyone and not just the reapers.

[Ieldra]

Eterna5 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Actually the eye glow varies. James in the memorial scene has perfectly normal eyes, so does your LI. Even Joker's eyes seem normal at that scene.

I think they amped it up in some scenes to show it was affecting everyone and not just the reapers.

I think the green glow as well the circuit patterns are an artistic representation of mostly invisible changes. Real circuits would be too small to see detailed structures, and as you said, in the actual cutscenes (as opposed to the epilogue slides) the effect is much more subtle.

Were there really people who thought Synthesis would affect only the Reapers? It was made pretty clear in even in the original endings that everyone would be affected...

[Ieldra]

ATiBotka wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

AtiBotka, I used your sigs and modified them a bit. Hope you don't mind. xD

No problem. It looks better than mine. 

I like both and both have their place in the OP now. Running against the 64k max post size again. Perhaps I should make a webpage for all that stuff...

[Ieldra]

Thought more about the utopian aspect of the Synthesis presentation in the EC. Part of the problem is that the epilogue treats the galaxy as one. Which it really isn't. I can easily imagine that in certain parts, life is safe and reasonably prosperous while in others it isn't. In particular, (a) species like the krogan wouldn't be the same if they didn't fight, even if was mostly to pit themselves against the fauna of their planet. ( there are still lots of unexplored space in the galaxy, 99% even. It's possible that to have any sort of real challenge, you'd have to leave the "safe zones".

I'd also like to say that there might be a golden age, but that doesn't mean there will never be any large-scale war again. I just think that the Reaper War will be remembered, and people might be willing to put more effort into non-violent solutions for conflicts for quite some time.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Thought more about the utopian aspect of the Synthesis presentation in the EC. Part of the problem is that the epilogue treats the galaxy as one. Which it really isn't. I can easily imagine that in certain parts, life is safe and reasonably prosperous while in others it isn't. In particular, (a) species like the krogan wouldn't be the same if they didn't fight, even if was mostly to pit themselves against the fauna of their planet. ( there are still lots of unexplored space in the galaxy, 99% even. It's possible that to have any sort of real challenge, you'd have to leave the "safe zones".

I'd also like to say that there might be a golden age, but that doesn't mean there will never be any large-scale war again. I just think that the Reaper War will be remembered, and people might be willing to put more effort into non-violent solutions for conflicts for quite some time.

If I remove any ethetical concerns and assume that synthesis is no utopia with mind control and doesn't have any effect on the way the population thinks then it simply is no solution. If the war brings people together then that is not a solution specific to synthesis either, because destroy and control do that as well. It has to be a solution if one thinks the hypothetical threat is fact, otherwise it looks more like a trap. So far I cannot dream up a way for synthesis to be a solution for the threat.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 août 2012 - 11:16 .

[Mobius-Silent]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
If I remove any ethetical concerns and assume that synthesis is no utopia with mind control and doesn't have any effect on the way the population thinks then it simply is no solution. If the war brings people together then that is not a solution specific to synthesis either, because destroy and control do that as well. It has to be a solution if one thinks the hypothetical threat is fact, otherwise it looks more like a trap. So far I cannot dream up a way for synthesis to be a solution for the threat.

The problem that synthesis solves is.

a) The dead-end within the physical limitations of purely organic life
The inability of synthetics to understand the implicit value of sapient life due to the lack of fundimental emotional feedback (A.K.A feelings)

Thats it! synthetics can find motivation and implicit value in its previously-organic peers and the previously-organic have no need to envy the physical potential of synthetics. That prevents the inevitible extinction of organics, just that.

No brainwashing needed, wars can still happen, DNA still exists (Wrapped in the new framework). Hell you could even get synthetic hate-groups that object to those lifeforms that still have "legacy organics" within their framework. Or post-post-human groups looking to purge their organic framework parts.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 14 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Mobius-Silent wrote...
Hell you could even get synthetic hate-groups that object to those lifeforms that still have "legacy organics" within their framework. Or post-post-human groups looking to purge their organic framework parts.

I can totally see it happening, infact if it was up to me I'd write them into the story.

[Chashan]

pirate1802 wrote...


Well I was speculating (lol) on what actually causes the reapers to be non-hostile in synthesis.
The green beam hits the too, and their lights turn green so they are definitely affected by the beam as we are. Here is what I thought:

1. Their (the catalyst's?) directive is complete. They don't have any reason to harvest now.
2. The synthesis beam affects them as it did any other synthetic. So they were "humanized" so to speak, and freed from the catalyst's control.
3. The combination of both? Their original objective was complete and they were synthesized by the beam?

Personally I go with 2, or maybe 3. What do you think?

Also, I have seen a lot of people here demanding cutscenes of Krogan fighting alongside the Rachni. They find reapers helping the galaxy rebuild wrong and signs of indoctrination, yet they find nothing wrong with krogan allied to the rachni...

Krogan and Turians weren't exactly best buddies ever either, Geth and Quarians even more so, Batarians joining the party as well...

So right back at you with the "irony" there. Reapers are the binding factor there, true, but in the Reapers' case, the game itself gives zero precedent for a reasonable scenario of "reconciliation".

Except if you accept the Cata-fail as a sympathetic element...which I, for one, don't.

@Hyr 2.0

Sure, there may be some species that are warlike or imperialistic. But I think if you have the majority of them wanting to cooperate, those other species will have to fall in line.

I hope you realise there is quite a bit wrong with that sentiment in and of itself?

@Ieldra2

I think the green glow as well the circuit patterns are an artistic representation of mostly invisible changes. Real circuits would be too small to see detailed structures, and as you said, in the actual cutscenes (as opposed to the epilogue slides) the effect is much more subtle.

Were there really people who thought Synthesis would affect only the Reapers? It was made pretty clear in even in the original endings that everyone would be affected...

I've expressed my opinions on that matter elsewhere and via PM to you, and while I can see that as one possible interpretation, I am afraid that, the way things are done, it is not "invisible" at all, as it is way too blunt for that; I could imagine how they could have gone about "visualising" a changed perception of everyone without plastering everything with those neon-green textures, namely switching to individual's perspectives which are..."broadened", so to speak, with streams of data, and showing everything else as normal.

Add to that more scenes where "emotional" Geth are shown in unison with their Creators, and what a sight that may have been...the current presentation as is I find unacceptable, however.

@ Mobius-Silent - nice nickname by the way 

a) The dead-end within the physical limitations of purely organic life
The inability of synthetics to understand the implicit value of sapient life due to the lack of fundimental emotional feedback (A.K.A feelings)

And those are non-reasons far as I am concerned. Thus, no Synthesis for me, and many others I guess, no-no...

Modifié par Chashan, 14 août 2012 - 12:02 .