AngryFrozenWater wrote...
@Mobius-Silent: You are unable to point out that only physical changes can resolve the hypothetical threat. The brat says a lot of things, but it does not mention mortality and envy as the cause of the non-existent chaos/order problem. What you call adding a capacity to a synthetic, is in fact a forced thought process change, because it occurs without the consent of its synthetic victim. Nor is that change required, because no synthetic ever created such a theoretical conflict. We have only evidence of reapers and the organics causing those. The burden of proof of the hypothetical threat lies with the brat, not with Shepard. There is no empirical evidence of that threat and the brat's theory is not falsifiable. And thus synthesis is a solution to a non-existent problem.
So now the synthetics are being forced into change? Since when do Synthesis haters care about the welfare of any synthetic being whatsoever or their wants/needs? Are you in their heads when the transformation happens?
We don't know exactly what happens, but the Catalyst said that previous attempts at Synthesis failed precisely because organics resisted and didn't want it/weren't ready (in a nutshell). The Synthesis epilogue indicates that Synthesis was successful, and one can infer that people have consented and are at peace with it ultimately. Otherwise, I imagine you would have seen an epilogue that shows empty wastelands with piles of skulls and bones instead.
I find the fact that Synthesis haters almost always brings up "permission" is particularly laughable - especially if you try to drag the issue of synthetics not giving their permission into this whole thing. You're blithely ignoring the fact that Legion has repeatedly made decisions that impacted his entire SYNTHETIC race without asking their permission at all - first in ME2 where he invites Shepard to settle the issue of rewriting the heretics, second in ME3 where Legion doesn't go asking the entire geth race if it's okay to introduce the Reaper code into their programming.
So, it's okay for Legion to make a life-altering decisions that affect his people (or to hand the choice off to Shepard) and the entire galaxy...but it's not okay for Shepard to make a similarly life-altering decision when it counts the most for all of us? Oh, and one more point: Legion's unilateral actions bring his people true individuality - without getting their collective consent. How's that for irony? Is it only okay with Synthesis haters, as a whole, for a person to make big decisions solely when those decisions align with their (Synthesis haters) particular values? *snort*
The geth seemed to be perfectly at ease afterwards on Rannoch. The mind, whether it's synthetic or organic in origin, is probably more resilient and more adapatable to new circumstances than you apparently think. I don't believe that the superficial physical changes are as much of a shock as you think either. Furthermore, as I've always said, I believe that it's the psychological/symbolic nature of the transformation that's really what counts - not the physical change itself. Ignoring the mortality/envy issue, which I myself don't really consider a factor in any hypothetical synthetic-organic conflict, you're also saying there is no chaos/order problem, that this is all imaginary. I say that it's not imaginary and that it is quite plausible - you're just ignoring the nature of entropy.
In any given ordered system, entropy (chaos) almost inevitably increases over time. It can apply on a purely scientific level or a sociological one. If you take a piece of iron and leave it sitting in water, over time it starts rusting. Eventually, it will will rust away completely and lose its original ordered form if you wait long enough. That is entropy (it was a particularly good example from a science program I was watching). It can take just one small thing to snowball and set things in motion to bring any system down - just take a look at what happened with finanicial meltdown in the U.S. turning into a global financial meltdown. That whole crisis has sown chaos throughout the world, with the EU now sailing through extremely precarious financial waters.
The Catalyst doesn't need to prove anything in my opinion. One can extrapolate that the synthetic-organic conflict is possible, and even likely, based on our very own behavior on this planet right now. Three mass killings in the U.S. alone in recent weeks (or maybe you want to quibble over the university shootings based on the body count - whatever), the conflict between the rebels and al-Assad's regime in Syria that's pretty much a civil war now, and even that Afghani police officer who killed three U.S. Marines are just a few recent examples of violence acted out by our species on other members of the same species. Heck, even Mali is headed for war.
We've had two major world wars, along with multiple other wars, and we can't get our act together on our own planet (something I've pointed out repeatedly here) - not even after thousands of years or history. I suspect that other organic races who develop under similar conditions (like ours) would behave in a similar manner. I think it's very likely that the Catalyst has probably seen the same repeated patterns of behavior by other races over millions of years. It's not a real stretch to believe that people, who can often act based on their emotions and fears rather than logic, would react poorly when encountering a synthetic race. Just look at what the quarians kept doing to the geth - and they were their synthetic, peace-loving children.
Let's face it: we can and do react violently over relatively minor differences like religion or politics. You can't seriously tell me to that there would be no synthetic-organic conflict at all throughout millions of years of history of the universe - not when organics are the very embodiment of chaos with our mercurial emotions and behavior and our general intolerance for the Other. Even down to the cellular level and our biological processes, it's what we are.
Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 août 2012 - 10:26 .
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