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[TMA LIVE]

This has probably been brought up already, but do you consider Synthesis a betrayal to the galaxy? I don't mean to Shepard, but to everyone who's been fighting for you to destroy the Reapers? Because I imagine making a truce with the Reapers, and everything getting altered was not what they wanted, or fought for. How much do you think they respect what Shepard did?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2012 - 01:27 .

[TMA LIVE]

I mean, it's a question I still think about. Sure the crew misses you. EDI really digs it. But it's hard to imagine Wrex digging glowing in the dark, and working with Reapers.

[JedTed]

@TMA I imagine it would be difficult for some for some at first but i figure some will adjust over time. I still believe that the whole "glow in dark" bit is just for show and will probably fade as organics integrate more with their new "upgrades"(their eyes may go green every now and then, similar to when the asari do their freaky mind melding).

[DirtyPhoenix]

Its not exactly a truce with the reapers, since the reapers are affected by the synthesis beam too. Its sort of.. reverse-brainwashing your enemy and making peace with them? And there was nobody but Shepard in the decision chamber, no one will ever know what transpired that day, for all they'd ever know this was the only way to use the crucible. The galaxy wanted the cycles to end, for the genocide to stop, that's what happened.

And I'm sure Shepard will have plenty of posthumous enemies regardless to how the effects turn out. But I don't think Wrex would be one of them. He's smart and would never turn down a helping hand. Wreav on the other hand.. I fully expect Javik to go rogue, become a terrorist of some kind.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Like JedTed said, the glow thing is just a visual representation, much like how Reaper lights turn blue in control, or how the waves are RGB coloured, there's no deeper meaning into it IMO. If they want to continue synthesis in ME4, or whatever the sequel is called ( I dearly hope) they can easily handwave it by saying the external effects went away as people adjusted to the changes.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Someone in another thread posted that in spite of the "space-magicky-ness" of Synthesis, it gave them the future of the galaxy they'd wanted. It was the same for me. How do other thinks about it?

The way Synthesis was displayed was poorly done. It literally came out of nowhere and how it vaguely describes what it does shows that the developers literally just pulled it out of a hat and said "Hey we got our third choice!" I have a hard time believing that Synthesis was intended at any point in ME3's development or that it's the best choice just based on Bioware presents it.

So why did I pick it?

Simple.

I chose it because it would allow me to save as many lives as I could. I refused to commit genocide, recreate a new Catalyst, or let trillions die because I didn't get what I want.

If that makes me a heartless monster as Hannah Montana or TOA claim me to be then fine. At least I'll die knowing that they're alive and free to even make those accusations.

This almost perfectly describes my feelings on Synthesis as well. Both on how it was handled ingame and why I chose it. I'd just add that my canon Shepard was a synthetic lover. She was saddened to see how synthetics were treated in MEU and she never gave a damn about what others think of her. She was like 70% Paragon and 30% Renegade. So synthesis fit right in for her.

Modifié par pirate1802, 22 août 2012 - 03:52 .

[JedTed]

My canon Shepard was a tech specialist so i thought it was only natural that he'd choose Synth.

Slight change of topic:  Is anyone annoyed when TIM calls Shepard "narrow minded" when you destroyed the Collector base in ME2?

Modifié par JedTed, 22 août 2012 - 05:48 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think saving the collector base goes well with choosing synthesis in ME3.

[JedTed]

 Here's ONE person in the ME universe that supports Synthesis. 

[Taboo]

That picture isn't going to help your cause mate. What you're suggesting there is...uh...not good.

[MerchantGOL]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I mean, it's a question I still think about. Sure the crew misses you. EDI really digs it. But it's hard to imagine Wrex digging glowing in the dark, and working with Reapers.

if wrex can work with salarians and turians he can work with reapers

[JedTed]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think saving the collector base goes well with choosing synthesis in ME3.

I still don't think i could bring myself to save the Collector base, not after see what Cerberus does with what's left of it.

Using the Collector base to destroy the Reapers would also feel like cheating.  Atleast with Crucible we built that ourselves, it shows that we have a higher level of understanding and are ready for Synthesis.

Modifié par JedTed, 22 août 2012 - 06:19 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

LOL! I talked with him just yesterday, and the exact thought crossed my mind. Taboo.. it is a joke. xD

[JedTed]

Taboo-XX wrote...

That picture isn't going to help your cause mate. What you're suggesting there is...uh...not good.

It was kind of a joke since the Presidum Groundskeeper complains about how the universe LOVES diversity.  And while Synthesis doesn't make everyone the SAME, i assume it alters their DNA enough so turians and quarians could eat the same food as say humans.

This means all you Talimancers can have sex with out fear of killing her.

[Taboo]

It doesn't work that way but okay.

You won't need to eat food eventually. Eventually mind you.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 août 2012 - 06:19 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't work that way but okay.

You won't need to eat food eventually. Eventually mind you.

Shhh. Time to go, Taboo. You can't win. Not here.

[JedTed]

In Javik's final words he said he plans to commit suicide because is mission is complete. He could change his mind and try to find his place in THIS cycle but i don't see it happening.

[DirtyPhoenix]

JedTed wrote...

In Javik's final words he said he plans to commit suicide because is mission is complete. He could change his mind and try to find his place in THIS cycle but i don't see it happening.

It depends on what you do with his memory shard, and how he interacts with Liara. Depending on that, he also says he'd like to write a book with Liara once this is over, or he'd like to live as a king among the Hanar. infact I was quite disappointed I didn't get a slide on Javik in the EC.

@Arcian, I was more refering to he himself being part-synthetic now. Maybe you're right, maybe he'll eventually see reason. But the initial shock would be a big one for him once he comes to realize it. he might do something stupid in the face of it.

Also, I think he'd make for a good villain storywise. A tragic figure, the player would feel sympathy for him, yet forced to deal with him.

[inko1nsiderate]

JedTed wrote...

In Javik's final words he said he plans to commit suicide because is mission is complete. He could change his mind and try to find his place in THIS cycle but i don't see it happening.

If he doesn't touch his memory shard, he doesn't say this.  He in fact says he wants to write a book with Liara.

[RadicalDisconnect]

There is no Javik slide for any of the endings regardless of whether he touched the memory shard or not.

[DirtyPhoenix]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

There is no Javik slide for any of the endings regardless of whether he touched the memory shard or not.

I nooo. I was only disappointed because they thought it fit to insert a Javik flashback, but not a Javik slide. :|

[Ieldra]

TMA LIVE wrote...
This has probably been brought up already, but do you consider Synthesis a betrayal to the galaxy? I don't mean to Shepard, but to everyone who's been fighting for you to destroy the Reapers? Because I imagine making a truce with the Reapers, and everything getting altered was not what they wanted, or fought for. How much do you think they respect what Shepard did?

As I see it, people fought for survival, of themselves and the civilizations of their cycle. Synthesis ends the war, and everyone who hasn't died in the fighting at that point will survive.

Also, likely most people don't know about the nature of the Reapers, how they're changed by Synthesis and that they're avatars of civilizations of past cycles, but Shepard does know, and Shepard's decision should not be ruled by other people's ignorance. 

[Hannah Montana]

JedTed wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

That picture isn't going to help your cause mate. What you're suggesting there is...uh...not good.

It was kind of a joke since the Presidum Groundskeeper complains about how the universe LOVES diversity.  And while Synthesis doesn't make everyone the SAME, i assume it alters their DNA enough so turians and quarians could eat the same food as say humans.

This means all you Talimancers can have sex with out fear of killing her.

But Shepard died, it would kinda defeat the purpose.