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[DirtyPhoenix]

Keiji comes "alive' doesn't he? If we have Shepard store his/her memories prior to his/her destruction we can rebuild him just fine. Benefits of synthesis, technology you cannot even imagine. xD

[JedTed]

Does Javik still give you the Echo Shard if he didn't use it?

The Echo Shard actually plays a part in my post-ME3 headcanon with Shepard's resurrection.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Dunno, when does he give you his Echo shard?

[Taboo]

I don't think so. I believe he simply tells Shepard what his plans are.

I believe he told my Shepard he was going to live among the Hanar.

[JedTed]

pirate1802 wrote...

Dunno, when does he give you his Echo shard?

It's during the goodbye scene, he hands in to Shepard and says "YOU are the avatar of this cycle."

I assumed that he always passes it to Shepard, would make a good set-up for whoever is the protagonist in the next game.  They'd find the Echo Shard and learn about the events of ME1-3 from Shepard's perspective.

[DirtyPhoenix]

O.o Does he hand the shard while saying that? I never noticed that? Does he only hand the shard if you ask him to look into it? I never did..

[JedTed]

pirate1802 wrote...

O.o Does he hand the shard while saying that? I never noticed that? Does he only hand the shard if you ask him to look into it? I never did..

I don't know, i've only done when he touched the Shard beforehand.

[webhead921]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Someone in another thread posted that in spite of the "space-magicky-ness" of Synthesis, it gave them the future of the galaxy they'd wanted. It was the same for me. How do other thinks about it?

I would pretty much agree with this, except for the whole "being able to transcend mortality."  

[Taboo]

webhead921 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Someone in another thread posted that in spite of the "space-magicky-ness" of Synthesis, it gave them the future of the galaxy they'd wanted. It was the same for me. How do other thinks about it?

I would pretty much agree with this, except for the whole "being able to transcend mortality."  

And that's one of the reason I can't choose it.

It doesn't feel like it fits in the context of story I wanted for my Shepard.

It feels a lot like it should be a deleted scene to me. Everything is in place but it doesn't really have any bearing on the narrative so it should be cut out. I think it's a wondeful idea...in the wrong story.

Not to say that it doesn't work for others of course. I simply can't apply it to my Canon Shepard.

[Versus Omnibus]

I'm actually curious: in the EC, if you don't have a romance, the squad member who you use the most hangs Shepard's name on the wall right? Is there a video on the Synthesis ending, where Javik places Shepard's name on the wall and then hugs EDI? I would love to see that.

[Taboo]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

I'm actually curious: in the EC, if you don't have a romance, the squad member who you use the most hangs Shepard's name on the wall right? Is there a video on the Synthesis ending, where Javik places Shepard's name on the wall and then hugs EDI? I would love to see that.

It is the squadmate that you use the most, but I don' think I've ever seen Javik there in mine to be honest. Both times were Destroy and.......Liara and Javik for sure weren't there the first time.

I think you're stuck with Garrus,VS,Liara or someone else.

[webhead921]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

I'm actually curious: in the EC, if you don't have a romance, the squad member who you use the most hangs Shepard's name on the wall right? Is there a video on the Synthesis ending, where Javik places Shepard's name on the wall and then hugs EDI? I would love to see that.

Doesn't Traynor always do it if you don't have a romance?  I haven't seen it myself, just on youtube.  All my shepards got laid before going to the cerberus base.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Haha that would be hilarious to see Javik hugging EDI. Would love to see that. xD

[DirtyPhoenix]

There is a Javik flashback slide in the EC. I wonder what are the conditions of getting them.

[webhead921]

Taboo-XX wrote...


And that's one of the reason I can't choose it.

It doesn't feel like it fits in the context of story I wanted for my Shepard.

It feels a lot like it should be a deleted scene to me. Everything is in place but it doesn't really have any bearing on the narrative so it should be cut out. I think it's a wondeful idea...in the wrong story.

Not to say that it doesn't work for others of course. I simply can't apply it to my Canon Shepard.

Although I'm not a huge fan of immortality in ME, I still like the state of the galaxy after synthesis in the extended cut.  There are several events in my Shepard's story that make me feel as if synthesis is an appropriate way to end.  I really like the geth, and I liked that the geth helped the Quarians with their immune systems.  I like the idea that the reapers are able to share the knowledge of past cycles.  A lot of people don't like the fact that the reapers are still around, but my Shepard would prefer coexistence over annihilation now that the reapers are free from the catalyst's control.  I like that the previous cycles's legacy is not entirely lost.  Who knows what we can learn from them?  I am also very fond of EDI.  I would also like to note that my Shepard's worldview was fundamentally changed after entering the geth consciousness.

I chose destroy after my first playthrough and initially considered it to be my canon ending.  I hated synthesis for awhile because it seemed so nonsensical and out of nowhere.  After reading this thread, playing the extended cut, and replaying the trilogy, I now consider synthesis to be my canon ending.

[webhead921]

pirate1802 wrote...

There is a Javik flashback slide in the EC. I wonder what are the conditions of getting them.

What does the slide show?  I've only been able to get the "I'm going to kill myself convo at the end."

[Taboo]

^ Yes I remember you mentioning your Shepard believing he was a VI.

I suppose at the end all mine wanted was for everything to stop. Everything.

And he made the choice he thought best at the time being the flawed being he is.

He doesn't want to be a hero. He wants to save as many as he can and allow them to grow and determinate free from any Reaper presence.

It was never about a simple "Us vs. Them" ideology.

I hope that makes sense.

[webhead921]

That definitely makes sense. That's similar to why I destroyed the reapers in my first playthrough. I wanted it all to be over. I initially was ok with the relays being deactivated because life would no longer evolve/advance along the reaper's predetermined path. The galaxy might be screwed in the immediate future, but it could potentially lead to a much brighter distant future. I still think that is the best reason for choosing destroy, but I no longer think that is what my Shepard would do.

[Taboo]

The thing is (And both Ieldra and I totally agree on this) they retconned the dark age in all of the endings.

It will take ten to fifteen years to rebuild in all of the endings, even the Relays.

They retconned Walters' nonsense and gave ALL of the endings bright futures.

But I see a lot of self reflection for my Shepard. It's about doing the right thing, or so he thought.

What if he had taken the other options?

[DirtyPhoenix]

webhead921 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

There is a Javik flashback slide in the EC. I wonder what are the conditions of getting them.

What does the slide show?  I've only been able to get the "I'm going to kill myself convo at the end."

Nothing special, he just nods at you. Its like the Anderson/LI flashbacks, maybe I was incorrect in calling it a slide.

And I was also a destroyer pre-EC. Looks like EC increased the number of nonconventional choosers.

[Ieldra]

webhead921 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


And that's one of the reason I can't choose it.

It doesn't feel like it fits in the context of story I wanted for my Shepard.

It feels a lot like it should be a deleted scene to me. Everything is in place but it doesn't really have any bearing on the narrative so it should be cut out. I think it's a wondeful idea...in the wrong story.

Not to say that it doesn't work for others of course. I simply can't apply it to my Canon Shepard.

Although I'm not a huge fan of immortality in ME, I still like the state of the galaxy after synthesis in the extended cut.  There are several events in my Shepard's story that make me feel as if synthesis is an appropriate way to end.  I really like the geth, and I liked that the geth helped the Quarians with their immune systems.  I like the idea that the reapers are able to share the knowledge of past cycles.  A lot of people don't like the fact that the reapers are still around, but my Shepard would prefer coexistence over annihilation now that the reapers are free from the catalyst's control.  I like that the previous cycles's legacy is not entirely lost.  Who knows what we can learn from them?  I am also very fond of EDI.  I would also like to note that my Shepard's worldview was fundamentally changed after entering the geth consciousness.

Yep. Before the EC came out, I almost feared what it would do to the post-Synthesis future I had imagined. Turned out the outcome is almost exactly what I had hoped for. The Reaper presence is a little more pronounced than I expected pre-EC - I had expected something more subtle, like in Siduri's epilogues - but all in all it wouldn't have turned out all that differently had I written the outcome. 

As for the immortality, what do you mind about it except for the practical problems it might create? It's not a reality, it's not even a guaranteed outcome, just a prospect for the future, a hint that civilization may be able to overcome fundamental limitations of organic hardware. I like that quite a bit.

[Ieldra]

webhead921 wrote...
That definitely makes sense. That's similar to why I destroyed the reapers in my first playthrough. I wanted it all to be over. I initially was ok with the relays being deactivated because life would no longer evolve/advance along the reaper's predetermined path. The galaxy might be screwed in the immediate future, but it could potentially lead to a much brighter distant future. I still think that is the best reason for choosing destroy, but I no longer think that is what my Shepard would do.

I think that was one theme of the original Destroy ending - reject the Reapers' legacy completely, including the relays and all their technology. For me the price was too high, and I find the idea of destroying a useful technology misguided. The relays, as I see it, were a trap of the Reapers, made in order to control development of civilizations until the time of the next harvesting. Now that the harvesting cycle is ended, sticking to the relays is no longer dangerous, and destroying the relays is not worth the fragmenting of civilization. 

Strangely though, with the EC, now it's Synthesis where we never see the Citadel or a relay in the epilogue. Where I'd have disliked that if we weren't told that civilization will reconnect in fairly short order, now I like the implication that civilization may have found a different way to travel between the stars, preferably something new and exotic. Synthesis, after all, is the Dawn of an Era. Of course people are free to interpret the absence of the relays in any way, but I think "something new and exotic" is more in the spirit of Synthesis. If anyone's interested, I can re-post what I came up with a few months ago.

[webhead921]

I guess I like synthesis for a lot of the reasons you stated. It is a dawn of a new era, but at the same time we are still human. I think a lot of what makes us who we are is our mortality. I don't have a problem with ascension, and lifespans being significantly expanded, but losing our mortality means that we lose something that defines us. It's a minor nitpick, and it's the only thing that bothers me about the synthesis ending. I choose to believe that the "immortality" that EDI speaks of is less literal. Maybe being able to save our memories onto some sort of electronic storage for others to access in the future (i.e. the echo shard or Keiji's grey box).

Don't get me wrong, I really like the end result of synthesis for the most part. This is just the only thing that I would change.

[webhead921]

I also really like synthesis because it is a major shift in the status quo. I sort of expected the trilogy to end with a fundamental shift in the ME universe. That's one of the reasons why I'm more hesitant to choose destroy post-EC. The fact that the ME universe just goes back to the status quo (minus synthetic life) in about 10-15 years sort of feels underwhelming. I like fundamental change that is brought about in synthesis, and the fact that the galaxy can advance in a new and exciting direction.

[JedTed]

I'm sorry but i don't believe in the "10-15 years to rebuild" in every ending. When Shepard talked to Vega about rebuilding i thought, this is gonna take a couple decades if not a century at least. How would you restore an entire planet like Earth to it's former glory in only 15 years(unless you have help from the Reapers)?

Just because one of the devs mentions it on a panel doesn't always make it canon. Personally i think Destroy creates the real dark age(even with High EMS), maybe the Relays can be repaired quickly(we built the Crucible so Relays should child's play) but it would take a lot longer to repair all of the damage done by the Reapers.

Anderson said in the beginning of ME2 that they still hadn't fully repaired the damage to Citadel after the geth attack. It would be 10 years before the Citadel was totally restored.