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[Ieldra]

I just repeated several endings in several variants. Strange to think that of all species, the ones who appear to benefit most from a Synthesis future are the krogan. This slide is Synthesis-exlusive and you only get it if you cure the genophage:

EDI: "To recover the greatness of the past....and surpass it."

[Ieldra]

@Aurora313:
I don't think post-Synthesis civilization will have a big problem with the leviathans. There are few of them left, and pretty much everyone will take part in keeping them down.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Ieldra]

Eterna5 wrote...
Hello guys, just bumping this and wondering what you guys think about:

http://social.biowar.../index/14086419

I linked that thread in the OP. Very useful, shouldn't get lost.

[Aurora313]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Aurora313:
I don't think post-Synthesis civilization will have a big problem with the leviathans. There are few of them left, and pretty much everyone will take part in keeping them down.

True enough, but you have to remmeber that they curbstomped a non-Synthesis reaper just by pretty much glaring at it. And we only see three, while I agree that there can't be a massive amount of them, they are the so-called 'apex race'. And they can effortlessly indoctrination anyone within range, unless the Synthesis implants are constantly 'rewriting' someone's brain chemistry fast enough to counteract the indoctrination field's rewrite, then anyone going against them is screwed...


I only point it out because the LEviathans were damn determined to get their 'Tribute of blood'.

.... uh,,,, that sounds like a pile of giberrish now that I've gotten it out.

[atheelogos]

Aurora313 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Aurora313:
I don't think post-Synthesis civilization will have a big problem with the leviathans. There are few of them left, and pretty much everyone will take part in keeping them down.

True enough, but you have to remmeber that they curbstomped a non-Synthesis reaper just by pretty much glaring at it.

So? We've probably killed more Reapers than they have. That doesn't mean we would could win in straight fight.

Same goes for them. That was one Reaper they shut off (I don't think they killed it since the other Reaper they did that too was reactivated) they know they can't win in a straight fight either.

They don't have the population or technology to fight the Reapers on there own. Thats why they run and hide.

[Eterna]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Hello guys, just bumping this and wondering what you guys think about:

http://social.biowar.../index/14086419

I linked that thread in the OP. Very useful, shouldn't get lost.

Yay I was helpful!

[JedTed]

I'm not entirely sure if the Leviathans would be affected Synthesis. If they really are the "apex" of organic life then they should be far enough along that they already have the same advantages that other organics get from Synthesis. I assume they use some form of cybernetics that let them use those 'eyes'(the artifacts they use to control minds) and i assume they aren't completely bound to that planet and can fly in space.

I'm working on a theory that the Leviathans, before they became giant lobsters with a God-complex, actually perfected the method of joining multiple organic minds in a single form. When they created the Catalyst it used that same method in constructing all the subsequent Reapers after Harbinger, Harby is basically a single Leviathan but with the cold synthetic shell and indoctrinated to serve the Catalyst.

Maybe that sounds crazy but as i said it's a working theory.  Either way i don't see the Leviathans as a major threat in any endings.  Maybe in Control where they try to destroy the Shepard-AI because they don't trust him to not start the cycle over again.

I actually liked the way the Leviathan calls Shepard an "anomaly".  That supports my theory that Shepard is infact the Catalyst which the Crucible blueprints refer to, it would make sense that it would require a unique organic(like Shepard) to activate the Crucible and make the choice.

Modifié par JedTed, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:50 .

[JedTed]

As for my post-synth resurrection story i was thinking that a few years later Shepard's body is some how recompiled on the Citadel but with out any of his memories. Ashley, his love, finds him and takes him home to Mindoir where she build a beautiful house in his honor. Shepard then finds the echo shard, which was dropped when he was knocked out my Harby and recovered by Ash. When Shepard touches it restores all of his memories up to when entered the Conduit and was transported to the Citadel.

Over time he would regain his memory of what happened on the Citadel.

[Aurora313]

I have many synthesis headcanons, one of them is similar to yours, though Shepard doesn't regain his memories, but is contented to make new ones with Ash (even admiting at one point that having no memories of his life before revival feels somewhat liberating). Another I have is that his physical body is dead and gone, but Shepard exists as a kind of ghostly energy creature. I've got sh!t loads of ideas for a post-synthesis Shepard. Some of Shepard coming back completely, others his 'ghost' still exists. There's tonnes of things you can do with synthesis.

[atheelogos]

JedTed wrote...
Ashley, his love, finds him and takes him home to Mindoir where she build a beautiful house in his honor.

This doesn't sound like anything Ashley would ever do.... Way too out of character:mellow:

[atheelogos]

JedTed wrote...

I'm not entirely sure if the Leviathans would be affected Synthesis. If they really are the "apex" of organic life then they should be far enough along that they already have the same advantages that other organics get from Synthesis. I assume they use some form of cybernetics that let them use those 'eyes'(the artifacts they use to control minds) and i assume they aren't completely bound to that planet and can fly in space.

I'm working on a theory that the Leviathans, before they became giant lobsters with a God-complex, actually perfected the method of joining multiple organic minds in a single form. When they created the Catalyst it used that same method in constructing all the subsequent Reapers after Harbinger, Harby is basically a single Leviathan but with the cold synthetic shell and indoctrinated to serve the Catalyst.

Maybe that sounds crazy but as i said it's a working theory.  Either way i don't see the Leviathans as a major threat in any endings.  Maybe in Control where they try to destroy the Shepard-AI because they don't trust him to not start the cycle over again.

I actually liked the way the Leviathan calls Shepard an "anomaly".  That supports my theory that Shepard is infact the Catalyst which the Crucible blueprints refer to, it would make sense that it would require a unique organic(like Shepard) to activate the Crucible and make the choice.

Why wouldn't they be effected? The beam changed everything that could be considered alive.

" they should be far enough along " Far enough along what? There is no end point that organic evolution is headed toward.

[JedTed]

atheelogos wrote...

JedTed wrote...
Ashley, his love, finds him and takes him home to Mindoir where she build a beautiful house in his honor.

This doesn't sound like anything Ashley would ever do.... Way too out of character:mellow:

It's something that my Shepard always wanted so Ashley was honoring his wishes.  It's all headcanon so technically your allowed to take any liberties as long it makes sense in your own head.

atheelogos wrote...

Why wouldn't they be effected? The beam changed everything that could be considered alive.

" they should be far enough along " Far enough along what? There is no end point that organic evolution is headed toward.

It may just be their pompous attitude but considering how old they are they must be pretty evolved enough that even if they are affected by the Synthesis wave it wouldn't make much of a difference because they probably already have all of the advantages that come with it.  The codex suggests that they probably upgraded themselves with cybernetics and breathing apparatuses so they can travel through space.

Modifié par JedTed, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[The Devlish Redhead]

So post Synthesis people still go about their business. The Reapers are helping to rebuild what was broken and so forth. So is free will still around and the ability to choose good or evil?

What happens if you shoot at a fellow being in this new universe? Would that start a fight? How about shooting a Reaper in some form of disagreement?

[Ieldra]

JedTed wrote...
It may just be their pompous attitude but considering how old they are they must be pretty evolved enough that even if they are affected by the Synthesis wave it wouldn't make much of a difference because they probably already have all of the advantages that come with it.  The codex suggests that they probably upgraded themselves with cybernetics and breathing apparatuses so they can travel through space.

You're making two mistakes:
(1) Evolution is not a one-way road. It's perfectly possible to regress in terms of intelligence and natural capability if that means better survival odds.
(2) Synthesis does more than upgrade organics with synthetic technology. We wouldn't need a drastic process like Synthesis for that. Instead, it changes physiology so that the integration becomes seamless. At least that's what the epilogue suggests. 

As I see it, Synthesis will affect the Leviathans like everyone else, but there is no indication it will change the power balance in their favor. They are few, the rest of the galaxy are many and a great many people will resent them to say the least. Most notably including the Reapers. The leviathans won't pose a big problem. In fact, they'd be well-advised to lay low in the depths of their ocean worlds.

[Ieldra]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...
So post Synthesis people still go about their business. The Reapers are helping to rebuild what was broken and so forth. So is free will still around and the ability to choose good or evil?

What happens if you shoot at a fellow being in this new universe? Would that start a fight? How about shooting a Reaper in some form of disagreement?

There is no indication that people can't make their own choices in the post-Synthesis galaxy, or that organics' psychological nature will be affected much at all immediately. There may be greater effects in the long run, but that's a natural learning process rather than something forced by Synthesis, and it won't affect everyone the same way. 

Because of that, the various post-Synthesis civlizations will have to deal with malcontents just as they always did. How they'll do so may differ based on culture and changing perspectives in the long run, but deal with them they must, because otherwise a stable society is not possible.

[JedTed]

Ieldra2 wrote...

(1) Evolution is not a one-way road. It's perfectly possible to regress in terms of intelligence and natural capability if that means better survival odds.
(2) Synthesis does more than upgrade organics with synthetic technology. We wouldn't need a drastic process like Synthesis for that. Instead, it changes physiology so that the integration becomes seamless. At least that's what the epilogue suggests.

I understand that but my theory is that the Catalyst still admires it's creators, that's why every Reaper takes the form of the Leviathans.  Maybe it sees them as the pinnicle of evolution or atleast very close to it.  In this thread the guy explains why the Crucible is able destroy the Reapers and nothing else, why couldn't the same logic exist for Synthesis?  Maybe it only targets species that are at certain point in their evolution(perhaps when they are intelligent enough to understand it).

That's my crazy theory anyway.

[Ieldra]

JedTed wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

(1) Evolution is not a one-way road. It's perfectly possible to regress in terms of intelligence and natural capability if that means better survival odds.
(2) Synthesis does more than upgrade organics with synthetic technology. We wouldn't need a drastic process like Synthesis for that. Instead, it changes physiology so that the integration becomes seamless. At least that's what the epilogue suggests.

I understand that but my theory is that the Catalyst still admires it's creators, that's why every Reaper takes the form of the Leviathans.  Maybe it sees them as the pinnicle of evolution or atleast very close to it.  In this thread the guy explains why the Crucible is able destroy the Reapers and nothing else, why couldn't the same logic exist for Synthesis?  Maybe it only targets species that are at certain point in their evolution(perhaps when they are intelligent enough to understand it).

That's my crazy theory anyway.

The EC makes a point of it and stresses that Synthesis affects all life.

As I see it, it does affect all life, as it gives all life the ability to integrate technology, but if no technology exists, there will be nothing to integrate and life forms with no technology will function as they always did. It makes no sense give a plant a cybernetic implant since it wouldn't know how to use it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:01 .

[JedTed]

@Ieldra2: My point is that if the Leviathans are as old as to be believed then they likely achieved something similar to Synthesis on their own.

[Ieldra]

Here's a question for everyone. It came to me when reading the "canon ending" debates:

How long do you think the Reapers will stick around after Synthesis? They're hyper-advanced beings, so I think it's possible they'll eventually want to leave the post-Synthesis civilization behind to do whatever such beings find worthwhile doing.

Will some stick around for a very long time?
Will some of the conjoined minds want to be re-incarnated?
Will most of them leave?
Will some of them want to kill themselves?

As I see it, the Reapers aren't a unified force anymore, so things will differ. All of the possibilities above will be taken by some. Are there any more?

[JedTed]

I believe most of them will go off and do their own thing after they assist with the rebuilding of each homeworld(which will probably take about 10 years). Maybe Harbinger will try to re-join the Leviathans though they might have difficulty accepting him.

[atheelogos]

JedTed wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

(1) Evolution is not a one-way road. It's perfectly possible to regress in terms of intelligence and natural capability if that means better survival odds.
(2) Synthesis does more than upgrade organics with synthetic technology. We wouldn't need a drastic process like Synthesis for that. Instead, it changes physiology so that the integration becomes seamless. At least that's what the epilogue suggests.

Maybe it sees them as the pinnicle of evolution or atleast very close to it.

 Maybe it only targets species that are at certain point in their evolution

1. No the Catalyst has always seen the Reapers as the most advanced until the Catalyst see's that Synthesis is possible. That is finale step life must take in terms of technological evolution.

2. There is no certain point in biological evolution.

Modifié par atheelogos, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question for everyone. It came to me when reading the "canon ending" debates:

How long do you think the Reapers will stick around after Synthesis? They're hyper-advanced beings, so I think it's possible they'll eventually want to leave the post-Synthesis civilization behind to do whatever such beings find worthwhile doing.

Will some stick around for a very long time?
Will some of the conjoined minds want to be re-incarnated?
Will most of them leave?
Will some of them want to kill themselves?

As I see it, the Reapers aren't a unified force anymore, so things will differ. All of the possibilities above will be taken by some. Are there any more?

Why would they want to kill themselves?

Oh and I'd imagine some of them would want to leave. I mean they've been confined to this one galaxy for over a billion years. If I were one of them I would want to see the rest of the universe. And multiverse if we do indeed live in one.

So yeah I think some will stay and some will leave, but we will be forever connected with them regardless of where they go

Modifié par atheelogos, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:59 .

[atheelogos]

JedTed wrote...

I believe most of them will go off and do their own thing after they assist with the rebuilding of each homeworld(which will probably take about 10 years). 

Where did you get 10 years from?

[JedTed]

atheelogos wrote...

JedTed wrote...

I believe most of them will go off and do their own thing after they assist with the rebuilding of each homeworld(which will probably take about 10 years). 

Where did you get 10 years from?

Headcanon. 

I don't know how long it would take exactly but i figure it would take a lot longer with out the Reapers' help.

[His Name was HYR!!]

So I just decided what Javik's fate will be in Synthesis.


He becomes one with the rest of his people... inside their Reaper.