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[His Name was HYR!!]

Steelcan wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Tha Catalyst makes destroy unappealing, by saying that the universe will be terrible afterwards.  He has nothing but praise for Syntheis

Why do we care? The Illusive Man springs the Collector Base decision on you in the end and he tries very hard to persuade you against destroying it. The Catalyst doesn't outright object to any decision you make, apart from some passive-aggression in Low-EMS endings. If you agree, choose accordingly. If you don't, take your own pick.

. That's not my point

I got your point. Distrust him, disagree w/ him, same difference - choose accordingly.

[JBPBRC]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

If said life is a possibility though, wouldn't that erode the point of Synthesis? See, the new organics would just build synthetics that would destroy everything, supposedly.

Synthetics don't need to be different than they already are. Synthesis allows organics to "integrate" with them. Synthetics, as a result, gain understanding through this link.

Missing the point here though. The new organics make new synthetics. Both are unaffected by Synthesis since they weren't around for the big magic space wave of green. Do these synthetics simply brush off their organic creators Terminator-style? Or do the Synthesized races force synthesis upon them both to make them "understand"?

Or do the Reapers reap these two civilizations for not conforming with everyone else and threatening to start that whole BSG repeating cycle nonsense again?

Implications unpleasant.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 25 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Wayning_Star]

JBPBRC wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

If said life is a possibility though, wouldn't that erode the point of Synthesis? See, the new organics would just build synthetics that would destroy everything, supposedly.

Synthetics don't need to be different than they already are. Synthesis allows organics to "integrate" with them. Synthetics, as a result, gain understanding through this link.

Missing the point here though. The new organics make new synthetics. Both are unaffected by Synthesis since they weren't around for the big magic space wave of green. Do these synthetics simply brush off their organic creators Terminator-style? Or do the Synthesized races force synthesis upon them both to make them "understand"?

Or do the Reapers reap these two civilizations for not conforming with everyone else and threatening to start that whole BSG repeating cycle nonsense again?

Implications unpleasant.

well, the beam is supposed to affect the matter down to molecular levels, so anything 'new' created would apparently have that link. New organics would as well. (remember, the cycle is an organic contraption, via the catalyst)

Really tho, synthesis is mostly just a learning experience for all concerned, that alters matter and then instructs DNA mutation, i.e. "evolution as it's tool" according to Leviathan. I'm thinking that the catalyst is 'hooked into' the material universe more than first thought. More powerful too. Stick on a crucible battery pack and we get real space magic..black hole type stuff.

[Ieldra]

@Wayning_Star:
Well, no. New organic life that develops from nonliving matter after the Synthesis wave has passed will be purely organic. Synthesis works on the level of molecular biology, it needs already-formed DNA to work. Otherwise it couldn't recognize life since life is defined on that level. Changes on lower levels would also alter all other chemistry, and I can't see that happening even it wasn't an even more ridiculous level of space magic than Synthesis already presents.

Synthesis will also only work on DNA-based organic life, and there could be life based on something else. I suspect the writers didn't think of that, as with so much else, leaving us with this mess to explain.

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Did I scare everyone away?

The Citadel is destroyed (it explodes and as opposed to Destroy, we don't see it rebuilt in the epilogue) which means that the Catalyst isn't around any more.

I never noticed that before. Well That just supports what I've been saying. The Reapers are free in Synthesis and choose help rebuild of their own free will.

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Wayning_Star:
Well, no. New organic life that develops from nonliving matter after the Synthesis wave has passed will be purely organic. Synthesis works on the level of molecular biology, it needs already-formed DNA to work. Otherwise it couldn't recognize life since life is defined on that level. Changes on lower levels would also alter all other chemistry, and I can't see that happening even it wasn't an even more ridiculous level of space magic than Synthesis already presents.

Synthesis will also only work on DNA-based organic life, and there could be life based on something else. I suspect the writers didn't think of that, as with so much else, leaving us with this mess to explain.

you guys are taking this whole "DNA" thing too far. He didn't mean it literally.

"
Synthesis will also only work on DNA-based organic life " Why wouldn't it work on other forms of organic life? I mean come on it works on the Geth and they're metal. I don't see why Synthesis wouldn't effect everything in it's path

[The Devlish Redhead]

Ieldra2 wrote...

People will be as free post-Synthesis as they are post-Destroy (as opposed to Control), only with much better prospects for the future. Synthesis is a more paternalistic decision than Destroy, but if you believe that the result is good then isn't there an obligation to make the decision?

Whoah.......... Nowhere does it say people lose their free will in Control?   People will still be as free as ever in Control, it's only the Reapers that have a new master in Shepad catalyst 1.0

[The Devlish Redhead]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Tha Catalyst makes destroy unappealing, by saying that the universe will be terrible afterwards.  He has nothing but praise for Syntheis

Why do we care? The Illusive Man springs the Collector Base decision on you in the end and he tries very hard to persuade you against destroying it. The Catalyst doesn't outright object to any decision you make, apart from some passive-aggression in Low-EMS endings. If you agree, choose accordingly. If you don't, take your own pick.

I don't think the catalyst knew about that decision unless it affects the outcome of ME3. I've never actualy tried saving the base as I didn't care much for the Illusive Man's decision as he's a giant douchebag, much like the Quarian generals.

Modifié par AdelaideJohn1967, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[Ieldra]

atheelogos wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Did I scare everyone away?

The Citadel is destroyed (it explodes and as opposed to Destroy, we don't see it rebuilt in the epilogue) which means that the Catalyst isn't around any more.

I never noticed that before. Well That just supports what I've been saying. The Reapers are free in Synthesis and choose help rebuild of their own free will.

Indeed.

Tbh, it is somewhat ambiguous. The explosion scene is the same as in Destroy, but neither the relays nor the Citadel appear anywhere in the Synthesis epilogue, as opposed to both others. I think this is intentional and ties in with the "Dawn of an Era" theme where something new and exotic will take the place of the old infrastructure, but of course it is open to interpretation.

I have suggested a mass effect-based alternative method for long-range FTL in my thread Out of the dark age: relays, FTL and rebuilding galactic civilization (scroll down to the lower part of the OP). This was long before the EC, but the scenario is compatible. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[Ieldra]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
People will be as free post-Synthesis as they are post-Destroy (as opposed to Control), only with much better prospects for the future. Synthesis is a more paternalistic decision than Destroy, but if you believe that the result is good then isn't there an obligation to make the decision?

Whoah.......... Nowhere does it say people lose their free will in Control?   People will still be as free as ever in Control, it's only the Reapers that have a new master in Shepad catalyst 1.0

The difference is, in Control, the galaxy will be under an autocratic rule. It can be benevolent or not, but the plain fact is that the Control entity can intervene at any place it chooses, in any way it chooses. Any freedom will exist at its sufferance. Free will is not affected - nobody is mind-controlled. Freedom, however, is a much more uncertain thing in Control scenarios.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question for everyone. It came to me when reading the "canon ending" debates:

How long do you think the Reapers will stick around after Synthesis? They're hyper-advanced beings, so I think it's possible they'll eventually want to leave the post-Synthesis civilization behind to do whatever such beings find worthwhile doing.

Will some stick around for a very long time?
Will some of the conjoined minds want to be re-incarnated?
Will most of them leave?
Will some of them want to kill themselves?

As I see it, the Reapers aren't a unified force anymore, so things will differ. All of the possibilities above will be taken by some. Are there any more?

If they aren't a unified force anyore, some will definitely want to get back at their maker/killer, especially if they are so sad as to kill themselves as you suggested.
Reaper Gladiatorial battles: Now open!

EDIT: Also, I wonder how will the conversation between Harbinger and Leviathan will go. What will be the relationship between them? Father-son? Father-illegitimate son?

Modifié par pirate1802, 26 septembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[The Devlish Redhead]

pirate1802 wrote...


EDIT: Also, I wonder how will the conversation between Harbinger and Leviathan will go. What will be the relationship between them? Father-son? Father-illegitimate son?

Funny on that I had a weird dream thing with Harbinger doing talk shows.. Had the whole thing scripted out too but now can't recall much. It was amusing.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
People will be as free post-Synthesis as they are post-Destroy (as opposed to Control), only with much better prospects for the future. Synthesis is a more paternalistic decision than Destroy, but if you believe that the result is good then isn't there an obligation to make the decision?

Whoah.......... Nowhere does it say people lose their free will in Control?   People will still be as free as ever in Control, it's only the Reapers that have a new master in Shepad catalyst 1.0

The difference is, in Control, the galaxy will be under an autocratic rule. It can be benevolent or not, but the plain fact is that the Control entity can intervene at any place it chooses, in any way it chooses. Any freedom will exist at its sufferance. Free will is not affected - nobody is mind-controlled. Freedom, however, is a much more uncertain thing in Control scenarios.

I had three Shepards choose Control, one was almost-pure paragon. I headcanon her leaving the settled worlds after rebuilding and gathering near the fringes of the galaxy and devoting her time to archieving the evolution and knowledge of galactic life, while maintaining ties only with Liara.   

Another was paragade, I HC her to build a fortified super-citadel at the center of the galaxy and intervening only when a dire situation (Like Krogan rebellion or Rachni wars) emerges.

Last one was Almost-pure renegade. She deduces that the only way to save the many from themselves, is to take their freedom away. (Kinda like VIKI from I, Robot). She becomes Catalyst 2.0 in every sense of the word and now Reapers walk every planet (aided by husks and marauders) and anyone deemed breaching the "law" is taken away to correctional facilities (read: indoctrination facilities.)

[Ieldra]

pirate1802 wrote...
This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

:lol:
I guess now that the most annoying haters are less present, more Synthesis supporters dare to voice their opinion.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

:lol:
I guess now that the most annoying haters are less present, more Synthesis supporters dare to voice their opinion.

Did I just here some rustling?

But in all seriousness they settled the most...glaring issues with Synthesis in the EC.

Shepard's sacrifice still makes me  though. Super MAC strikes hard and fast.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

:lol:
I guess now that the most annoying haters are less present, more Synthesis supporters dare to voice their opinion.

Did I just here some rustling?

No you didn't. It isn't for everyone to post in a forum where you'll get verbally crucified if say so much as "I like Synthesis". The verbal abuse has died down significantly, and that's a good thing.

I only regret that I can't brainwash everyone into agreeing that Synthesis is good...

...that was a joke.

But in all seriousness they settled the most...glaring issues with Synthesis in the EC.

Shepard's sacrifice still makes me  though. Super MAC strikes hard and fast.

Strangely, the community poll shows that Synthesis has lost 1% of its followers after the EC. Went down from 21% to 20%. Probably not statistically significant, but still. Probably people didn't expect the Reapers to maintain a presence in galactic civilization. Even I didn't expect it. I thought most of them would leave some interesting stuff behind and then go their own way.

[The Devlish Redhead]

pirate1802 wrote...

This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

You bet........ Plus it's green......Green is good.

Modifié par AdelaideJohn1967, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

:lol:
I guess now that the most annoying haters are less present, more Synthesis supporters dare to voice their opinion.

I remember one thread when I was new to BSN, "Synthesis is beautiful" I think.. people pounced onto him real quick for expressing his opinion. :S I think the situation in general is much better. Earlier people used to see the synthesis banners and went like "ahh you chose synthesis nothing more to say.." I was stupid enough to walk into the IT thread wearing one of those (The outcome wasn't pretty) Now people wear these banners and are treated like any other guy, as they should be.

Taboo Shepard's sacrifice makes me too. Not so much the sacrifice itself but the way it is done. Unfortunately Big MAC isn't a thing we can understand.

[DirtyPhoenix]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

You bet........ Plus it's green......Green is good.

Green is the colour of life. I think the symbolism was intended..

[Ieldra]

pirate1802 wrote...

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

You bet........ Plus it's green......Green is good.

Green is the colour of life. I think the symbolism was intended..

Really? I rather think the green makes it all appear a little creepy. And *that* was intended, I'm sure of it.

[Taboo]

It was chosen because it's a neutral color. Red is a harsh color. Blue is a calming color.

It's not a combination mind you as Synthesis would have to be purple then but still.

[Samtheman63]

"hey shepard, i know im your enemy and everything and i know ive been a naughty boy and killed a few trillion people but if you do me a favor and pick synthesis we can all be friends
it will end life as you know it cause everyone will turn into synthetic/organic hybrids, which is basically what we are trying to do anyway lol

oh, you ll die too, as you have to jump down a hole to activate it. but pleeeeease!"



who am i?

Modifié par Samtheman63, 26 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[Ajosraa]

I admit, I like Synthesis in concept. Thats it, im out of the closet;P Though my thoughts on it are a little complex and conflicted, add me to the ball. Yes, I admit some of the bad attitudes of some have kept me from admitting it. I still like destroy also...just for a chance to maybe ride off into the sunset. But I like the idea of synthesis and think its interesting. Sorry if this sounds a bit out of the blue, but I had to confess:P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 26 septembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Steelcan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

"hey shepard, i know im your enemy and everything and i know ive been a naughty boy and killed a few trillion people but if you do me a favor and pick synthesis we can all be friends
it will end life as you know it cause everyone will turn into synthetic/organic hybrids, which is basically what we are trying to do anyway lol

oh, you ll die too, as you have to jump down a hole to activate it. but pleeeeease!"



who am i?

. Is there a question there or are you just trolling people who disagree with you?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

This thread is still going strong, and I see new synth-supporters as well.

*rubs hands and puts on evil smile* Good..good.

You bet........ Plus it's green......Green is good.

Green is the colour of life. I think the symbolism was intended..

Really? I rather think the green makes it all appear a little creepy. And *that* was intended, I'm sure of it.

Hah. Then two birds with one stone.