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[jpraelster93]

wait their are actually people who think synthesis is good? Why

[Argolas]

pirate1802 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Quarians never needed the Geth either, they created them because they WANTED them.

And how are the new Synthetics different to the Geth? Why could they not surpass their masters?

Ofcourse they needed, to do manual labour. That is why anyone makes machines: to overcome their physical limitations.
The new synthetics would not be as much different as the new organics. The synthetics, the old ones, could surpass organics because while organics were tied down to follow the slow evolutionary process, synthetics could modify themselves overnight. It's what happened to the geth, they evolved faster than the quarians had anticipated and outpaced their masters. Now organics are fully integrated with synthetic technology, they can modify themselves like synthetics, so they will keep the pace up with synthetics in event of a conflict. Ieldra2 can explain this better.

The Geth weren´t helpers, they were "servants of the people" (which is the meaning of the word "Geth"). They were slaves. Slaves usually are not there because they are needed, they are there to do work that their masters do not WANT to do. There might be some tasks that the Quarians could not do themselves, but they lived countless years without any Geth, and again after the Morning War. Quarians did not need the Geth, but they wanted them to improve their lifes.

[Argolas]

jpraelster93 wrote...

wait their are actually people who think synthesis is good? Why

Not sure if trolling.

I am not a Synthesis supporter, but please, read the OP.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

The worst case scenarios in any ending are pretty bleak:
Destroy: organics build synthetics and are wiped out by them
Control: Ascended-Shepard reinstates the cycle
Synthesis: ???

Basically, we have no way to even estimate the probabilities. But in Synthesis, we have at least the assurance that we'll have the knowledge of the past cycles at our disposal, and with Control, at least Shepard knows her own motivations will guide the Control entity. In Destroy, we have the guarantee that the Reapers won't interfere. For any ending, it's a question of which kind of good you'll have to balance out the risk for the bad.

[Taboo]

Super MAC is the threat in Synthesis.

Some people can't choose Destroy because it wipes out Synthetics. I can't choose Synthesis because the logic in Shepard's sacrifice is bass ackwards.

Thankfully Ieldra had provided an explanation in the OP for what happens AFTER the Vitalism. With actual science.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 27 septembre 2012 - 08:29 .

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Super MAC is the threat in Synthesis.

Some people can't choose Destroy because it wipes out Synthetics. I can't choose Synthesis because the logic in Shepard's sacrifice is bass ackwards.

Thankfully Ieldra had provided an explanation in the OP for what happens AFTER the Vitalism. With actual science.

. Where is it the OP, I can't find it and I really want to see it

[The Devlish Redhead]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

The worst case scenarios in any ending are pretty bleak:
Destroy: organics build synthetics and are wiped out by them
Control: Ascended-Shepard reinstates the cycle
Synthesis: ???

What the??????????

Control does not reinstate the cycle. Are you saying the new Shepalyst 1.0 will still go around reaping?

[DirtyPhoenix]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

The worst case scenarios in any ending are pretty bleak:
Destroy: organics build synthetics and are wiped out by them
Control: Ascended-Shepard reinstates the cycle
Synthesis: ???

What the??????????

Control does not reinstate the cycle. Are you saying the new Shepalyst 1.0 will still go around reaping?

I think he means in the worst case scenario.. catalyst-shepard goes crazy like he original shepard and restarts the cycle.

[Ieldra]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

The worst case scenarios in any ending are pretty bleak:
Destroy: organics build synthetics and are wiped out by them
Control: Ascended-Shepard reinstates the cycle
Synthesis: ???

What the??????????

Control does not reinstate the cycle. Are you saying the new Shepalyst 1.0 will still go around reaping?

I'm saying these are the worst case scenarios anyone could imagine. They will be used predictably by the detractors of certain endings to discredit them just because it's not impossible that they'll actually happen. But an outcome not being impossible says absolutely nothing about the merits of an ending. If you can't show these worst-case outcomes are not just possible but likely, you have no point.

I thought it was needless to say that I don't believe in these worst-case scenarios. For none of the endings. People may have headcanons for their own games where they chose an according option and the worst-case scenario happens if they feel particularly masochistic, but as an argument they have zero weight.

[JamieCOTC]

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

The worst case scenarios in any ending are pretty bleak:
Destroy: organics build synthetics and are wiped out by them
Control: Ascended-Shepard reinstates the cycle
Synthesis: ???

What the??????????

Control does not reinstate the cycle. Are you saying the new Shepalyst 1.0 will still go around reaping?

While vague, in an earlier version of script, Control does suggest just that.

Shepard: And the other choice?
Catalyst: You may harness the energy. Use it to circumvent my control of the Reapers.
Shepard: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
Catalyst: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
Shepard: And what happens to me?
Catalyst: You will subvert my existence. You will control the Reapers. You will continue to seek an answer to problem.
Shepard: But the Reapers will obey me?
Catalyst: Correct.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[atheelogos]

Xilizhra wrote...

Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

Depends. I for one don't consider Synthesis a Renegade option. That's why all my Renegades pick Control. With that much power at their finger tips they my sheps could never say no, but that's just my opinion

[Hurbster]

Read the OP twice just so I could understand it and I'll still pick destroy every time. Because it doesn't rip off a terrible game (Deus Ex:Invisible War), it rips off a good one (Deus Ex).

[The Devlish Redhead]

Hurbster wrote...

Read the OP twice just so I could understand it and I'll still pick destroy every time. Because it doesn't rip off a terrible game (Deus Ex:Invisible War), it rips off a good one (Deus Ex).

You know I had totally forgotten about the original Deus EX.......That did indeed have a synthesis ending, but so did the very bad sequel.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Hurbster wrote...

Read the OP twice just so I could understand it and I'll still pick destroy every time. Because it doesn't rip off a terrible game (Deus Ex:Invisible War), it rips off a good one (Deus Ex).

The OP doesn't aim to convince people synthesis is the only choice

[DirtyPhoenix]

atheelogos wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

Depends. I for one don't consider Synthesis a Renegade option. That's why all my Renegades pick Control. With that much power at their finger tips they my sheps could never say no, but that's just my opinion

For me synthesis is a paragade option. What it aims to achieve is indeed paragon but how it achieves it is undoubtedly renegade. my synthesis shepard was 70-30 paragon so it all fits.

[HiddenInWar]

Almost 200!

[DirtyPhoenix]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Almost 200!

yay!

[atheelogos]

pirate1802 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

Depends. I for one don't consider Synthesis a Renegade option. That's why all my Renegades pick Control. With that much power at their finger tips they my sheps could never say no, but that's just my opinion

For me synthesis is a paragade option. What it aims to achieve is indeed paragon but how it achieves it is undoubtedly renegade. my synthesis shepard was 70-30 paragon so it all fits.

Agreed. That's why I could never do it as Renegade.

[The Devlish Redhead]

Here's something else to ponder.

When you pick one of the 3 options that wave of energy only travels along the Mass Relay natwork. I can't see how it could affect every single planet in the entire galaxy. There would be still worlds untouched by the energy wave where life would either carry on, or evolve the way it's meant to evolve. So we may still get more worlds of organic and non organic life evolving over time. Also there may well be untouched Reapers by any of the 3 choices so that could prove interesting.

So I wonder what happens when an untouched planet makes contact with the Citadel or such in any of thouse scenarios, or an untouched Reaper?

[Aurora313]

I think it affects everything in the Milkyway, not neighbouring galaxies.

Honestly, my original idea of the Reapers was that they were created to unit the galaxy as a whole, to prepare for an even graver threat from other galaxies. And when the Milky Way was united, only then could a synthesis scenario happen. Then again, that was my original idea that the precurser race/leviathans were benevolent and the Catalyst was a rogue AI that they screwed up with... in a way, that last part is accurate.

I think that if a new Mass Effect game were to happen Post-Crucible Detonation, it would be an out-of-galaxy threat. Though, it's hard to top ME1+2 Reapers.

[The Devlish Redhead]

Aurora313 wrote...

I think it affects everything in the Milkyway, not neighbouring galaxies.
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I never said anything about neighbouring galaxies. I just said that the energy wave would only have travelled along the relay network and not across the entire galaxy. There would still have been areas left untouched with the possibility of new organic / synthetic life still to develop, and the possibility that some Reapers missed getting hit by the energy wave, regardless of which choice you make.

As far as the Quaians are concerned I sometimes think they were a bunch of selfish pricks that should have got what was coming to them to some extent.

Modifié par AdelaideJohn1967, 02 octobre 2012 - 01:21 .

[Aurora313]

Ah...! That makes sense.

Yeah - It's possible that some pockets aren't affected. The Quarians, I personally hate most if not all of them save for Kal'Reegar and Ve'tor. Vetor is adorable, and Kal is a badass. I'm just sad that they both get shafted in 3. Yeah - pockets probably won't be affected, but I saw a lot of those energy waves overlapping quite a bit, so I don't think there would be alot, but some weren't affected, then I imagine anomosity between those who were Synthesized and those who weren't.

[Davik Kang]

Hey guys.  Haven't posted in here before.  Not here to start a fight though!  There's more than enough pointless ****ing going around these forums.  I'm trying to avoid it where possible and saw that you are actually talking about some interesting things...

pirate1802 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Here's another thing I'm curious about: In the rationalist Renegade ethos, I thought avoiding greater risk and worst-case scenarios was the primary motivation for most actions, and that jumping in and hoping things would work out for the best is the "sillier" sort of Paragon action that you'd decry. What makes Synthesis different?

Depends. I for one don't consider Synthesis a Renegade option. That's why all my Renegades pick Control. With that much power at their finger tips they my sheps could never say no, but that's just my opinion

For me synthesis is a paragade option. What it aims to achieve is indeed paragon but how it achieves it is undoubtedly renegade. my synthesis shepard was 70-30 paragon so it all fits.

Yeah that works.  I also see Control as Paragon (because it's non-violent) and Destroy as Renegade (kill a whole bunch of things to meet the objective).

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...
I neve said anything about neighbouring galaxies. I just said that the energy wave would only have travelled along the relay network and not across the entire galaxy. There would still have been areas left untouched with the possibility of new organic / synthetic life still to develop, and the possibility that some Reapers missed getting hit by the energy wave, regardless of which choice you make.

As far as the Quaians are concerned I sometimes think they were a bunch of selfish pricks that should have got what was coming to them to some extent.

About the Reapers, I assume they use the Relays to travel long distances like everyone else, so chances are they would have been fried / synthesised / etc.

Although as they (presumably?) built the relays in the first place, maybe some of them travelled to previously unchartered places to build new relays or scout for new life?  If so, some could have dodged it... could be food for thought for a sequel...

Modifié par Davik Kang, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:30 .

[The Devlish Redhead]

Davik Kang wrote...



About the Reapers, I assume they use the Relays to travel long distances like everyone else, so chances are they would have been fried / synthesised / etc.

Although as they (presumably?) built the relays in the first place, maybe some of them travelled to previously unchartered places to build new relays or scout for new life?  If so, some could have dodged it... could be food for thought for a sequel...

Thankyou that's what I was trying to say. That maybe there are untouched regions in the galaxy that may contain as yet undamaged races yet to develop and maybe some reapers that escaped the energy wave. Imagine the fun if they show up in the various scenarios depending on what you chose....

[ElSuperGecko]

Oh no. Just had a brainwave.
Synthesis = the fusion of organic and synthetic life.
Synthesis = the fusion of biological life with hardware/software.
Synthesis = BIO-WARE.