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[DirtyPhoenix]

About Miranda, does she hate teh fact that she was genetically tailored or that her father seeks to control every aspect of her life? they both may seem connected but consider a hypothetical situation: She is tailored but her father leaves her alone to live her life at her own terms. Would she still be as loathsome of her present being?

Modifié par pirate1802, 03 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[ghost9191]

which is why i choose destroy. the idea of synthesis is interesting enough , but would prefer the races to come about it on their own terms rather then given and forced on everything and everyone . Too much of a change , and unknown what it does to those who aren't ready for it

[ghost9191]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Out of interest, what do you think would happen if the Synthesis ending occurred but there were still "pure" organics left in the galaxy? Either beyond inactive Relays or elsewhere?

What would happen when they met?

they would be reaped by reapers for old times sake

[DirtyPhoenix]

lol

[Vigilant111]

Should the ending be taken on face value, synthesis is neither paragon nor renegade, because it is positioned in the middle, its reputation stand is up for open interpretation

In my first playthrough I didn't even have an LI, so that argument is broken. Vengeance? I play paragon, I have never played a renegade, ever, not even for achievement

A better analogy for paragon/renegade could be nice guy / bad-ass, not very artful but there it is

[Taboo]

pirate1802 wrote...

About Miranda, does she hate teh fact that she was genetically tailored or that her father seeks to control every aspect of her life? they both may seem connected but consider a hypothetical situation: She is tailored but her father leaves her alone to live her life at her own terms. Would she still be as loathsome of her present being?

It depends on who you talk to. Being abused rather severly as a child myself I see a lot of what happened to Miranda plainly. It's almost as if someone took a textbook case of abuse and slapped it on her.

It still upsets sometimes because it's so well done.

She's concerned more about not feeling worthy of not earning her gifts. Ieldra doesn't romance her the same way I do but my Shepard makes it pretty clear to her that it's what she does with what she has that matters.

And unsuprisingly this is the Miranda Bioware chose to go with. 

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 octobre 2012 - 01:24 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Taboo-XX wrote...

None of the choices are truly Paragon or Renegade. You can make the argument either way. I mean every but Shepard lives in Synthesis but you force a change so drastic it literally changes the way things work. Not my idea of a Paragon move.

Well yes, I meant relatively speaking.

[Vigilant111]

ghost9191 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Out of interest, what do you think would happen if the Synthesis ending occurred but there were still "pure" organics left in the galaxy? Either beyond inactive Relays or elsewhere?

What would happen when they met?

they would be reaped by reapers for old times sake

Synthesis Maintenance Inc.

[Aurora313]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Miranda would not be pleased if Shepard chooses synthesis, she loathes the idea of being manipulated, which is kinda ironic because she heads the Lazarus Project

I think she pointedly states that she dispises herself for wanting to plant a control chip into Shepard during Lazarus, stating a trait she shares with her father. They both want to have their freewill, but have no problems (at least, Henry doesn't.) depriving someone of theirs to get what they want. 

But by the same token, she wants her free will and both her and Orianna's freedom from Henry, and she was told to bring Shepard back exactly as they were, morals and all. What better personality to charge the project...

I apologise if that makes no sense, but it does to me...

What I want ot know is what would be her honest reaction to the Synthesis process. Would she spend all her free time trying to figure it out with Orianna or would she be too busy with the reconstruction of Earth to currently care.

[Vigilant111]

Aurora313 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Miranda would not be pleased if Shepard chooses synthesis, she loathes the idea of being manipulated, which is kinda ironic because she heads the Lazarus Project

I think she pointedly states that she dispises herself for wanting to plant a control chip into Shepard during Lazarus, stating a trait she shares with her father. They both want to have their freewill, but have no problems (at least, Henry doesn't.) depriving someone of theirs to get what they want. 

But by the same token, she wants her free will and both her and Orianna's freedom from Henry, and she was told to bring Shepard back exactly as they were, morals and all. What better personality to charge the project...

I apologise if that makes no sense, but it does to me...

What I want ot know is what would be her honest reaction to the Synthesis process. Would she spend all her free time trying to figure it out with Orianna or would she be too busy with the reconstruction of Earth to currently care.

I understand your point: "If you do not want something, then don't give that thing to other people"

See, synthesis is not exactly "control" (<_< Did you just set up a trap for me to say that synthesis does not control people? I do not know exactly but I hope not)

The bolded text is actually similar to what I meant to say... that and the question about what it means to be perfect? Does perfection even exist? Is it an abstract idea or a real thing? Is it subjective? Is it even useful?

[Engared]

Its still space magic and has no place in the universe. Horrible ending, the worst of the 4.

[cyrexwingblade]

I really only have one problem with Synthesis. It stops the point. The "point" of *my* play through, at the very least, was learning how to work together despite difference, despite the inherent gaps in understanding, and accepting 'the other' without needing to kill them. Founding cooperation between the Quarians and the Geth. Uniting the Turian and Korgan. Helping the military branch of Salarians show that they really don't care about your race as long as you're helping. etc.

Synthesis takes all of that, and basically just tosses it out the window. "Free pass, everyone! We're all the same nature now, so we just *get it* now! Isn't it great!?"

So if one accepts the heavily idealized ending portrayed, yes, Synthesis is clearly the happiest ending.

However, if it was actually done, the resulting universe would be anything but happy. Confusion, existential fears, or worse, the complete lack of concern because *we don't have the nature to care anymore*. There is no way to predict what a real Synthesis event would do.

And to my Shepard, if I *don't* metagame, the offer/explanation of Synthesis just sounds like "turn into another Saren for us, and we can do that to the whole universe! It'll be great! Trust us!"

Shep: "...You're going to turn us all into husks, aren't you?"

[Aurora313]

Re: Engared 

Whoa - I am blown away by the sheer intelligence of the last post.

Sarcasim aside. Now, can you give an explanation about why you feel that way beyond saying it's just a 'Horrible ending'? Don't just pop in and say 'Oh - I just hate it.'. Give us a reasonable explination or please leave us alone. More over, why did you even botther commenting on a Synthesis Ending thread if you disagreeded that particular ending?

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:51 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Nothing is more horrible than giving a heroic speech and leaving everyone to die..

[Aurora313]

@ Cyrewingblade.

I can understand where you're coming from. But there have been nurmeous scenarios presented on this forum post-synthesis - each as likely as the last - that Synthesis isn't exactly the magical 'fix-it' the ending seems to imply.

While, yes, I do agree. It feels almost too idyllic an ending, but by the same token, so does Control and Destroy. Control because regardless of alignment, there is nothing stating that Cata!Shepard is going to stay benevolent. And Destroy because of the Leviathans. With most if not all of the tech the Galaxy has relayed on in massive states of disrepair, what's stopping them from taking over again and starting the whole process all over again? Synthesis has issues of its own, but I think the intentions of all the endings is to show that, no matter the choice, there's hope for a future. Even the refuse ending has that hope spot of Liara's time capsule.


I had more to say... but I forgot.

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Engared]

Aurora313 wrote...

Re: Engared 

Whoa - I am blown away by the sheer intelligence of the last post.

Sarcasim aside. Now, can you give an explanation about why you feel that way beyond saying it's just a 'Horrible ending'? Don't just pop in and say 'Oh - I just hate it.'. Give us a reasonable explination or please leave us alone. More over, why did you even botther commenting on a Synthesis Ending thread if you disagreeded that particular ending?

My argument is somewhere on youtube. Lasted for 3 weeks. Not going to repost it there, go search for it if you want. That made me realise that people who obviously liked this ending aren't worth my time as they wouldn't know crap even if it hit them in the face.

Generalising but I've encountered a quite a few of you people so my sample size is large enough to make the generalisation. 

[DirtyPhoenix]

If we aren't worth your tie then why are you even here?

[cyrexwingblade]

Oh yeah, Control has tons of issues, too. Never going to deny that. The only reason I'm a 'control ender' is because I *can't* be a destroy/synth ender. I don't actually LIKE any of them (including Refuse, as that's literally just taking everyone's sacrifice and effort and tossing it out the window, though I do LOVE Shepard's dialogue in refuse).

Destroy: can't do because it's genocide and shooting Edi in the head.
Syntheiss: is basically giving the Reapers a free pass and justifying all the horrors they've committed while ruining the inherent diversity of the universe.
Control: Offers a chance of self-destructing all Reapers without killing Edi/Geth, or, possibly, actually helping everyone recover, however uneasy it may be. It enslaves a race (Reapers), and effectively kills Shepard, but at least the price is focused on the aggressor force and myself/shep, not my friends/family/allies.

My ending? Destroy focused on Reapers.

Because, let's face it, if Synth could actually happen, so could a frickin' OFF BUTTON.

[Engared]

pirate1802 wrote...

If we aren't worth your tie then why are you even here?

Space magic.

[DirtyPhoenix]

more like trolling..

[Ieldra]

pirate1802 wrote...
About Miranda, does she hate teh fact that she was genetically tailored or that her father seeks to control every aspect of her life? they both may seem connected but consider a hypothetical situation: She is tailored but her father leaves her alone to live her life at her own terms. Would she still be as loathsome of her present being?

I don't think she'd have problems with her genetic engineering if her father hadn't tried to control every aspect of her life. Not more than anyone with genetic modifications from birth anyway, and how much of a problem that is depends very much on your worldview. I think Miranda would be the type to be accepting of herself that way, had not her father ruined her childhood.
As it was early in ME2, she feels that her gifts don't really belong to her, but that ceases to be a problem later - if you romance her - since you can convince her that what she does with her gifts is what defines her, not where they come from. ME3 doesn't bring this matter up again, so I feel confident in assuming it is done with.

Not sure why you asked that here....

We just had a debate about which ending she would choose. Sadly, I have to admit that she probably wouldn't choose Synthesis - too much a high-risk decision from her point of view. But I think she'd be fine with the outcome.

[Ieldra]

cyrexwingblade wrote...
Oh yeah, Control has tons of issues, too. Never going to deny that. The only reason I'm a 'control ender' is because I *can't* be a destroy/synth ender. I don't actually LIKE any of them (including Refuse, as that's literally just taking everyone's sacrifice and effort and tossing it out the window, though I do LOVE Shepard's dialogue in refuse).

Destroy: can't do because it's genocide and shooting Edi in the head.
Syntheiss: is basically giving the Reapers a free pass and justifying all the horrors they've committed while ruining the inherent diversity of the universe.
Control: Offers a chance of self-destructing all Reapers without killing Edi/Geth, or, possibly, actually helping everyone recover, however uneasy it may be. It enslaves a race (Reapers), and effectively kills Shepard, but at least the price is focused on the aggressor force and myself/shep, not my friends/family/allies.

My ending? Destroy focused on Reapers.

Because, let's face it, if Synth could actually happen, so could a frickin' OFF BUTTON.

I don't know how often we have to correct these pervasive myths about Synthesis:

(1) Synthesis doesn't destroy the diversity of life in the galaxy. The only viewpoint is removes is that of non-Synthesized synthetics.

(2) No one is justifying what the Reapers did. But that was in the past, we make this decision to create a better future. If Synthesis creates the best future, and if that means foregoing to exact punishment, then so be it.

(3) The Reapers were mind-controlled by the Catalyst. They have limited responsibility for what happened. I suspected that even before the EC. See my old thread On the nature of the Catalyst and the Reapers for details.

[Ieldra]

Aurora313 wrote...
What I want ot know is what would be her honest reaction to the Synthesis process. Would she spend all her free time trying to figure it out with Orianna or would she be too busy with the reconstruction of Earth to currently care.

She would be extremely curious and spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. Maybe not right away, if she's needed for the rebuilding. But there are many people who can contribute to the rebuilding as well as she can, while not so many have the mindset and the persistence that it would take to decipher a technological mystery.

[Taboo]

I brought Miranda up. Keeping Shepard in check after the war is something she'd do, especially in Phoenix.

It's my fault AGAIN.