A different ascension - the Synthesis compendium (now with EC material integrated)
#5051
Posté 06 octobre 2012 - 08:47
#5052
Posté 06 octobre 2012 - 09:02
I've always maintained they are an artistic representation of mostly invisible changes. What actually happens is that "the matrix of organic life" is changed, which likely means some change in biochemistry, with the result that organic life can now seamlessly integrate "synthetic technology". We cannot see that, but it needs to be shown that things are now different than before, in a way that carries a certain mood the artists wish to associate with this scenario.
Thus, we get the "circuit skin" to indicate that organic life is now somehow closer to synthetic life. Plausibly, they cannot be real because real circuits, even more highly advanced ones, would be too small to see structures of.
We also get the green eyes. Those carry a mood of strangeness. Something weird has happened, something we cannot be immediately comfortable with, something we need to figure out. For the same reason, the soldiers don't cheer in Synthesis. It's a "WTF just happened?" reaction. Real glowing eyes would serve no purpose, it's just a marker of strangeness, but people are aware that something has fundamentally changed.
Bioware has said that there are elements in the endings that aren't meant to be taken literally. This is an example of such elements.
Edit:
This ties very well into the "ascension" theme btw. Ascension, regardless of how you define it or how desirable you think it may be, always means changing into something you have not been before, as a person, a civilization, or both. It is by definition not comfortable and may even come across as creepy. The idea may evoke fear in some that you leave something behind you'd rather keep. The quote I used at the start of the OP - "There are infinite possibilities, but not for Man" - captures both the hopes and the fears bound up in the concept, and by choosing Synthesis, you are putting the whole galaxy on a path that may lead there.
That's why I think the weird green glow is a very apt artistic representation, though I think the artists went overboard with the version in the slides. The version in the Normandy scenes is much more subtle and carries the message just as well.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .
#5053
Posté 06 octobre 2012 - 01:09
But there must be some physical change since all the characters in the Synthesis ending seem to be looking at themselves in wonder. Any idea what that is? Maybe they just feel weird?
Another point: do you think the galactic explosions are artistic representations as well? The wave in those is clearly traveling at FTL speeds, and if there were matter in there that would cause a chain reaction it would necessarily impact with catastrophic results to.... well... pretty much everything. Maybe the explosion uses some sort of quantum entanglement chain reaction, which is why it is so fast?
Maybe the wave is carrying some M Theory newly created string sub-atomic particle that chain reacts with DNA (or everything)?
[Edited for clarity]
Modifié par Obadiah, 06 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .
#5054
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 01:49
Since it's both Control and Synthesis related, I think I should post it in both support threads
#5055
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 05:08
#5056
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:51
You see green glow all over the place in the Synthesis cutscenes. I can imagine that there is some of that when the Synthesis takes effect, and that's what people are seeing. Also yes, they may be feeling weird.
As for the explosions: yes, they too, cannot be real as shown. Do you know what an explosion would do you could see from outside the galaxy? It would destroy the star system it happens in. Clearly, that does not really happen. I rationalize it like this: we are looking at a galaxy map with symbolic representations of what happens, just like an electronic military map where you put light markers in to indicate the positions of certain units, or flashing symbols to indicate certain events.
Also, if I would take the "exploding galaxy map" as real as shown, the next thing I'd ask is: who is holding the camera and where does he stand...float....whatever?
@Seival:
Nice picture. Thanks for posting it here. I have a Shepard who would do that. Incidentally, she doesn't look too different from the one in your picture.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:52 .
#5057
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 10:20
#5058
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 10:41
Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic <_<), but I think that's not true.
It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more.
Picture:
Modifié par ATiBotka, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:50 .
#5059
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 11:26
Perhaps. The transformation is felt by many people to be a violation of the integrity of the body. The question is why that feeling is so strong. I think the circuit patterns contribute to it, and the green eyes don't help.Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
I think it's important that something like that is there though. IMO it's an important point of the artistic presentation of the Synthesis that we're supposed to look past the creepiness and see what it is really about.
@ATiBotka:
The changes certainly occur on the cellular level. The problem is if the changes occur at the same scale as DNA - which the images suggest - they must me molecular, it can't be "synthetic parts". Reaper implants, though - that's a total fabrication. Nothing at all points in that direction.
One possibility is so-called nanosomes - nanomachines small enough to work within cells, maybe on the scale of a ribosome.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:35 .
#5060
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 11:39
...we see the LI looking out from a window high above a high-tech cityscape, plugged into a glowing sphere with unknown function through a connector in her/his temple. Camera switches to his/her POV and you see a virtual screen with rows of data scrolling up faster than a human eye could read. Suddenly a green glow emanates from a single point of light that appeared in the center of the virtual screen. For two seconds, there is only snow. Then the face of Shepard slowly manifests out of the chaos, smiling. End of scene.
This was pre-EC, but I think it does capture the Synthesis mood rather well.It is based on the speculation that Shepard's mind continues to exist distributed through the galaxy-wide information infrastructure. Post-EC, we even have a stronger rationale for it, through "the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us" and the Keiji scene.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 octobre 2012 - 11:42 .
#5061
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 11:52
pirate1802 wrote...
Nice one Seival. Wish I could draw like that.
Thanks
#5062
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 12:46
#5063
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 01:06
Each ending presents its own possibilities and it's actually quite interesting the ideas you can come up with. And the ethical, psychological and moral debates that said ending give rise to are utterly facsinating if a little infuritating due to some of the more narrow intepitations I've come across. And just blatant hatred for no logical reason.
I respect people who raise valid arguments against a certain ending with evidence from the game and expanded universe. I ignore them otherwise.
It is still my standing opinion that each ending is chosen to suit that individual Shepard's ideals and personality.
People who agree with TIM, take the control. Shepard becomes a literal god and benevolence or malevolence is up for debate. The Reapers become protectors with God!Shepard at the lead, purely because it respects everything the organic Shepard had to sacrifice to make it happen.
People who agree with Anderson, Take destroy. The Reapers are destroy but the immediate problem that the Catalyst was constructed to deal with is not solved, though if Rannoch is any indication, then it just proves that the Catalyst and the Leviathans were completely wrong in their assessment in the first place.
People who agree with Legion's sacrifice, take Synthesis. The Galaxy becomes augmented in a way that allows a higher level of understanding with each other, including the Reapers. The races gain an explination to the Reapers' actions and whether they maintain peace or turn to warfare is completely up to the individual race leaders.
People who call the Catalyst out on it's hypocritical BS, they can refuse and allow the next cycle to finally win and break free forever. Shepard's forces die on Earth and he's around long enough to see it happen while slowly dying himself, but he goes out with the satifaction of knowing he did not compromise his humanity nor his morals like TIM did.
Then again, I'm a little more open minded than most. I grew up on Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and all those other sci-fis that deal with all four themes in different ways. And each presents something exciting and different in their conclusions.
Honestly, yes - I agree that Shepard does play god a little in Synthesis by changing the basic make up of everything. He changes everyone and everything with the synthesis energy. But by the same token, everything about that choice screws the galaxy over one way or another, thus making the argument of 'shepard playing god' a flimsy one. Control - he becomes a literal god! Destroy - Death warrent for all synthetic races! Refuse - Death Warrent for current cycle! Synthesis - Manipulates DNA of everything!
No matter what he does, he's f*cking something over. So - I just wish some people would get their heads out of their asses.
Modifié par Aurora313, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:28 .
#5064
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 02:54
"They will SUCCUMB and ASCEND, or they will be ANNIHILATED."
Still feeling good about picking synthesis?
Still sure about this "different kind" of ascension?
Just throwing it out here.
#5065
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 04:24
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Harbinger, in the new Retaliation trailer:
"They will SUCCUMB and ASCEND, or they will be ANNIHILATED."
Still feeling good about picking synthesis?
Still sure about this "different kind" of ascension?
Just throwing it out here.
What is this I don't even....
How does succumb = control, by your own arbitrary definition of it?
Let's get an actual thesaurus entry on the word.....
http://thesaurus.com...wse/succumb?s=t
Scroll down to the bottom and you'll find this:
Synonyms: back down, be casualty, be destroyed, be killed (...)
To say nothing of how a trailer about the game's multiplayer on an enemy we're already familiar with somehow proves crackpot IT. There's a reason why "does this prove IT?" is the butt of all jokes on this site, because the cult of IT sees evvverrrryyything in the game through destroy-red colored lens, so literally everything in ME3 or related to it is proof. So out of touch with reality that they perceive words to mean things that a simple search in a thesaurus will prove incorrect.
Just look at my thread from yesterday. I wrote that Shepard perceives the catalyst as a child, and IT came right in and went all like "you just said the catalyst is in Shepard's head zomg zomg!" No, I didn't. But again, its their red-tinted lens at work.
Modifié par HYR 2.0, 07 octobre 2012 - 04:25 .
#5066
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 04:39
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Still feeling good about picking synthesis?
Absolutely
#5067
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 05:39
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Still feeling good about picking synthesis?
Yup.:happy:
#5068
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 05:50
ATiBotka wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic <_<), but I think that's not true.
It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more.
You are aware that Reaper implants are nanites. That is what reaper implantation is...
The Illusive Man once said to Paul Grayson, "You're being implanted with self replicating nanites. Their numbers will increase exponentially as they graft themselves onto your neurons and synapses. Eventually they will spread throughout your body, transforming you into a tool of the Reapers. You will be repurposed into a synthetic-organic hybrid unlike any of the Council races could possibly create." - excerpt from Mass Effect: Retribution
It is nanites that transfrom a man into a husk.
#5069
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 05:52
The Twilight God wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic <_<), but I think that's not true.
It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more.
You are aware that Reaper implants are nanites. That is what reaper implantation is...
The Illusive Man once said to Paul Grayson, "You're being implanted with self replicating nanites. Their numbers will increase exponentially as they graft themselves onto your neurons and synapses. Eventually they will spread throughout your body, transforming you into a tool of the Reapers. You will be repurposed into a synthetic-organic hybrid unlike any of the Council races could possibly create." - excerpt from Mass Effect: Retribution
It is nanites that transfrom a man into a husk.
I don't think it's the same thing.
#5070
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 08:54
ATiBotka wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic <_<), but I think that's not true.
It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more.
You are aware that Reaper implants are nanites. That is what reaper implantation is...
The Illusive Man once said to Paul Grayson, "You're being implanted with self replicating nanites. Their numbers will increase exponentially as they graft themselves onto your neurons and synapses. Eventually they will spread throughout your body, transforming you into a tool of the Reapers. You will be repurposed into a synthetic-organic hybrid unlike any of the Council races could possibly create." - excerpt from Mass Effect: Retribution
It is nanites that transfrom a man into a husk.
I don't think it's the same thing.
Doesn't really matter what you think. It is.
It was taken from the collector base based on experiments they were doing on humans. Miranda's father says that dragon's teeth use nanites. Did you think reapers were sorcerers that magically changed people into husks. You the tubes and light in Paul Graysons body materialized out of thin air? Read the codex and listen to what's being said in-game.
#5071
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:11
Also we find out that if Leviathan get's into Shepard's mind Shepard starts to have a nose bleed on his/her left nose, like at the end. People may say that " Well Shepard is injured, yet you can see similarities between the two.
www.youtube.com/watch
I forgot to leave the Leviathan video watch it, and think about the endings, the Catalyst, and this.
Modifié par masster blaster, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .
#5072
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:21
Yeah, I think AtiBotka was saying that that doesn't mean its the same thing happening in synthesis.The Twilight God wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
The Twilight God wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
I bet you that people wouldn't be making such a big stink about Synthesis if they toned down the green Circuits on everyones bodies.
Maybe. Everyone thinks that synthesis beam implants you with reaper tech (space magic <_<), but I think that's not true.
It's seems like synthetic parts attached to our DNA, and nothing more.
You are aware that Reaper implants are nanites. That is what reaper implantation is...
The Illusive Man once said to Paul Grayson, "You're being implanted with self replicating nanites. Their numbers will increase exponentially as they graft themselves onto your neurons and synapses. Eventually they will spread throughout your body, transforming you into a tool of the Reapers. You will be repurposed into a synthetic-organic hybrid unlike any of the Council races could possibly create." - excerpt from Mass Effect: Retribution
It is nanites that transfrom a man into a husk.
I don't think it's the same thing.
Doesn't really matter what you think. It is.
It was taken from the collector base based on experiments they were doing on humans. Miranda's father says that dragon's teeth use nanites. Did you think reapers were sorcerers that magically changed people into husks. You the tubes and light in Paul Graysons body materialized out of thin air? Read the codex and listen to what's being said in-game.
#5073
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:25
" The Reapers will show us no mercy. We must give them no quarter. They will terrorize our populations. we must stand fast in the face of that terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will fail. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle. Stand fast. Stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out."
One Hackett tells everyone, including Shepard/us that we can show them no mercy, and kill them all.
Two Hackett is remind Shepard, and the player, that the Reapers will harvest/kill every advanced race, and will not stop until the last city fails.
Three foreshadowing at the end, when Hackett says " Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle.' The end is our actions/ Shepard's, and the endings we pick is defining us, and the Reapers.
Here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch
Modifié par masster blaster, 07 octobre 2012 - 09:26 .
#5074
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:27
Why are you here? <_<masster blaster wrote...
Hackett, and his speeches are just amazing. Let me explain.
" The Reapers will show us no mercy. We must give them no quarter. They will terrorize our populations. we must stand fast in the face of that terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will fail. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle. Stand fast. Stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out."
One Hackett tells everyone, including Shepard/us that we can show them no mercy, and kill them all.
Two Hackett is remind Shepard, and the player, that the Reapers will harvest/kill every advanced race, and will not stop until the last city fails.
Three foreshadowing at the end, when Hackett says " Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming battle.' The end is our actions/ Shepard's, and the endings we pick is defining us, and the Reapers.
Here is the video. www.youtube.com/watch
#5075
Posté 07 octobre 2012 - 09:28
Also, Hackett's good, but he's not omniscient.





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