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[Taboo]

It's more about doing things that the Alliance and Council won't. Nothing made me angrier than seeing them turning a blind eye to the Collector's in ME2. It was far, far easier to use propaganda and other nonsense to downplay the threat.

Someone needed to do something and Cerberus was doing something. If you can take that drive and apply it to something more ethical you've got a real organization there.

Cerberus was doomed to failure, at least I felt that way. It couldn't last long and it really didn't.

With Miranda there overseeing things and Shepard keeping her in check I would imagine a lot of things getting done. In fact they'd keep each other in check. Miranda can have what she wants personally and professionally in this regard. She can work all day and sleep right next to Shepard at the end of the day.

And no that isn't OOC.

[Xilizhra]

It's more about doing things that the Alliance and Council won't. Nothing made me angrier than seeing them turning a blind eye to the Collector's in ME2. It was far, far easier to use propaganda and other nonsense to downplay the threat.

Then cut out the "human development" part and everything'll be fine. Though you could probably just make it a branch of the Shadow Broker network.

[Taboo]

I worded it poorly. You can do things for humanity while helping everyone else out.

Take a look at the Reaper FTL. They travel over twice as fast as normal FTL. The ordinary speed is 12 LY/day. Reapers travel at 30LY/day.

If you can have Phoenix work on that without any red tape you can get a lot done. And should you get something done you can disseminate the information.

[Xilizhra]

So in that case, why mention the "human development" thing at all?

[Taboo]

Because there will be human...development.

[Xilizhra]

Why in particular? Why not everyone's development?

[Aurora313]

*grabs popcorn*

They're putting you on stage, Taboo. Hehe. Sorry.

Also - valid question. The races are more or less united now. Wouldn't it make sense to have a group composed of all races for the betterment of all?

[jtav]

I think it's because a bunch of Miranda fans came up with the idea. Human advancement is her thing. And I personally am not over my schadenfreude from Thessia.

[dorktainian]

Synthesis.. no just no.

[Xilizhra]

jtav wrote...

I think it's because a bunch of Miranda fans came up with the idea. Human advancement is her thing. And I personally am not over my schadenfreude from Thessia.

It took a a surprising amount of effort from me to not fire off a profanity-laden retort. That in mind, Thessia's my first priority for rebuilding along with Earth, with Palaven slightly behind because it held off the Reapers better. Probably we should do Irune, Dekuuna and Kar'shan afterwards (the latter later because it seems to be completely dead and can afford to wait a bit).

[DirtyPhoenix]

dorktainian wrote...

Synthesis.. no just no.

IT.. no just no.

Modifié par pirate1802, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:38 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I wonder why so many ITers are in this thread off late. Has this thread reached its extinction nexus??

Is it time to abandon this thread??

[Vigilant111]

Don't worry, Pirate. This thread will stay for as long as democracy exists

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think it's because a bunch of Miranda fans came up with the idea. Human advancement is her thing. And I personally am not over my schadenfreude from Thessia.

It took a a surprising amount of effort from me to not fire off a profanity-laden retort. That in mind, Thessia's my first priority for rebuilding along with Earth, with Palaven slightly behind because it held off the Reapers better. Probably we should do Irune, Dekuuna and Kar'shan afterwards (the latter later because it seems to be completely dead and can afford to wait a bit).

Palaven behind Thessia?

Failry certain Palaven derserves far more aid than Thessia does, and not just because it took a far greater beating. Thessia was hit late in the war.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:44 .

[Heimdall]

The Twilight God wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
]Yeah, I think AtiBotka was saying that that doesn't mean its the same thing happening in synthesis.

Then what does synthesis solve exactly? What's to stop organics from making more non-synthesized robots?

Glowing eyes and circuit skin isn't going to stop the creation of synthetics and it sure as hell isn't "perfecting" anyone. Joke still limps. The crates still require two people to lift. Synthetics still hold all the cards and if we aren't indoctrinated what's going to stop people from making more non-synthesized synthetics? Synthesis as shown, ignoring all other mitigating factors, cannot solve the supposed problme the Kid claims exists. I see no reason not to make a bunch of farmer droids in a post-synthesis world.

*Sigh*  What I said was that Synthesis was not Reaper control.

Synthesis changes beings fundamentally, blurs the boundary between man and machine on a mental level.  Organics now how a greater probability of empathizing with synthetics and vice versa.  So you may make those farmer droids,  but you will likely veiw them more as people than tools.

That's a rash generalization toward organics vs synthetics. It has nothing to do with understanding. It's haves and have-nots. What great barrier existed between europeans and africans? And yet both being organic one dehumanized the other and was without empathy. It's so much that they couldn't understand each other. they didn't want to understand. I can only be rich if there was poor people. So I don;t want everyone to be equal to me. there must be a lower caste so that I can reap benefits from someone elses's misery. This is the reason organics had a problem with sentient machines. Who the heck is gonna provide the cheap labor if wwe acknowledge them? How can I feel special about being human and supposedly having a soul if this robot has a soul too? Unless synthesis removes human nature nothing has been solved. Glowing eyes and circuit skin aren't going to change anything.

That's all very nice.  I now know that you have a very pessimistic veiwpoint.  Its not terribly relevent though.  I never called synthesis a guarantee, it only stacks the odds more in favor of catharsis.

[Heimdall]

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think it's because a bunch of Miranda fans came up with the idea. Human advancement is her thing. And I personally am not over my schadenfreude from Thessia.

It took a a surprising amount of effort from me to not fire off a profanity-laden retort. That in mind, Thessia's my first priority for rebuilding along with Earth, with Palaven slightly behind because it held off the Reapers better. Probably we should do Irune, Dekuuna and Kar'shan afterwards (the latter later because it seems to be completely dead and can afford to wait a bit).

Palaven behind Thessia?

Failry certain Palaven derserves far more aid than Thessia does, and not jot just because it took a far greater beating. Thessia was hit late in the war.

Thessia actually FELL.

Palaven was stuck in an ongoing battle but it never fell completely.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Lizardviking wrote...

Failry certain Palaven derserves far more aid than Thessia does.

Joker would agree.

[Aurora313]

I'm sorry, but Thessia is no where in my 'fix-it' priorities list at the moment, neither is Rannoch, Palavan and all the rest. The Citadel and the Relays are first. Then Earth and Palavan, then Rannoch, then maybe Thessia if I was feeling generous.

I have no pity for them whatsoever. The huskified Asari - yes, I feel pity for them. No one deserves to be the Reapers' slaves. But the cold harsh reality is that their fall is the result of arrogance and abussive attitude towards the beacon. Along with the gaol to demand that all other races report whatever other pieces of tech they uncover, while the Asari themselves are sitting on the most valuable piece of all. I thought they were redeeming themselves part way through 3, but after that - all my opinions went down the crapper.

The only thing I regret about Thessia is not being able to beat the ever-loving sh!t out of Kai Leng, and not being able to shout at Liara for being a whiny cry baby when Earth is little more than a pile of rubble held together by Anderson's guerilla teams and hopes for backup for the entire game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think it's because a bunch of Miranda fans came up with the idea. Human advancement is her thing. And I personally am not over my schadenfreude from Thessia.

It took a a surprising amount of effort from me to not fire off a profanity-laden retort. That in mind, Thessia's my first priority for rebuilding along with Earth, with Palaven slightly behind because it held off the Reapers better. Probably we should do Irune, Dekuuna and Kar'shan afterwards (the latter later because it seems to be completely dead and can afford to wait a bit).

Palaven behind Thessia?

Failry certain Palaven derserves far more aid than Thessia does, and not jot just because it took a far greater beating. Thessia was hit late in the war.

Thessia actually FELL.

Palaven was stuck in an ongoing battle but it never fell completely.

Palaven was a bloody warzone throughout the entire war. So much in fact that there is a major breathig hazard across most of the planet due to the devastation.

Thessia took a hit, Palaven is a wreckage.

[Vigilant111]

Lord Aesir wrote...
That's all very nice.  I now know that you have a very pessimistic veiwpoint.  Its not terribly relevent though.  I never called synthesis a guarantee, it only stacks the odds more in favor of catharsis.

Not his fault that he has a pessimistic view, since there is a very grim reality presented in the ending.

Synthesis is itself quite pessimistic in a way despite its idealistic decor, it is presented as something that is INEVITABLE, there is no other way out of this, no exit strategy to synthesis. Destroy, control, refuse are all procrastinations to Catalyst's problem

Modifié par Vigilant111, 10 octobre 2012 - 02:54 .

[Xilizhra]

Palaven behind Thessia?

Failry certain Palaven derserves far more aid than Thessia does, and not just because it took a far greater beating. Thessia was hit late in the war.

Palaven had a lot more allied firepower behind it, as the krogan were concentrated there along with the turians. Thessia was hit far worse, even if it was in a shorter amount of time. If you'd rather, I could put all three of them at the front.

I'm sorry, but Thessia is no where in my 'fix-it' priorities list at the moment, neither is Rannoch, Palavan and all the rest. The Citadel and the Relays are first. Then Earth and Palavan, then Rannoch, then maybe Thessia if I was feeling generous.

The Citadel and relays are easy to fix. Rannoch doesn't even need fixing, it's being repaired by the geth and the Reapers never really attacked it. Thessia is more in need.

I have no pity for them whatsoever. The huskified Asari - yes, I feel pity for them. No one deserves to be the Reapers' slaves. But the cold harsh reality is that their fall is the result of arrogance and abussive attitude towards the beacon. Along with the gaol to demand that all other races report whatever other pieces of tech they uncover, while the Asari themselves are sitting on the most valuable piece of all. I thought they were redeeming themselves part way through 3, but after that - all my opinions went down the crapper.

**** the hell off. Only the highest levels of their government even knew the beacon existed: the vast, vast majority of the race was completely ignorant of it. To blame the entire species for the actions of a few secrecy-obsessed matriarchs is monstrous, and you deserve no part in rebuilding if you think so.

The only thing I regret about Thessia is not being able to beat the ever-loving sh!t out of Kai Leng, and not being able to shout at Liara for being a whiny cry baby when Earth is little more than a pile of rubble held together by Anderson's guerilla teams and hopes for backup for the entire game.

And I regret not being able to drive a stake through your Shepard's thick, useless skull, but nothing's perfect.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...
Palaven had a lot more allied firepower behind it, as the krogan were concentrated there along with the turians. Thessia was hit far worse, even if it was in a shorter amount of time. If you'd rather, I could put all three of them at the front.

Thessia was not hit worse, the Reapers actually brought their full power to Palaven because they knew the Turians were a threat.

And the fact that there were so much more fierce fighting is just another reason for Palaven to have greater priority than Thessia when it comes to rebuilding. As mentioned, Palaven is a complete wreckage.

[Xilizhra]

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Palaven had a lot more allied firepower behind it, as the krogan were concentrated there along with the turians. Thessia was hit far worse, even if it was in a shorter amount of time. If you'd rather, I could put all three of them at the front.

Thessia was not hit worse, the Reapers actually brought their full power to Palaven because they knew the Turians were a threat.

And the fact that there were so much more fierce fighting is just another reason for Palaven to have greater priority than Thessia when it comes to rebuilding. As mentioned, Palaven is a complete wreckage.

It doesn't necessarily come across that way because we never actually see Palaven, just shots of an orbital battle. Maybe you're right; I'd need to ship all of the krogan back to Tuchanka anyway...

[Heimdall]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
That's all very nice.  I now know that you have a very pessimistic veiwpoint.  Its not terribly relevent though.  I never called synthesis a guarantee, it only stacks the odds more in favor of catharsis.

Not his fault that he has a pessimistic view, since there is a very grim reality presented in the ending.

Synthesis is itself quite pessimistic in a way despite its idealistic decor, it is presented as something that is INEVITABLE, there is no other way out of this, no exit strategy to synthesis. Destroy, control, refuse are all procrastinations to Catalyst's problem

I don't doubt that reality is grim.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Palaven had a lot more allied firepower behind it, as the krogan were concentrated there along with the turians. Thessia was hit far worse, even if it was in a shorter amount of time. If you'd rather, I could put all three of them at the front.

Thessia was not hit worse, the Reapers actually brought their full power to Palaven because they knew the Turians were a threat.

And the fact that there were so much more fierce fighting is just another reason for Palaven to have greater priority than Thessia when it comes to rebuilding. As mentioned, Palaven is a complete wreckage.

It doesn't necessarily come across that way because we never actually see Palaven, just shots of an orbital battle. Maybe you're right; I'd need to ship all of the krogan back to Tuchanka anyway...

The planet description in the game itself states the fact that the Reapers brought "overwhelming force" to the homeworld and bombared each and every city on the surface.