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[JedTed]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question which was asked on an external forum. It's one I think every Synthesis supporter should be asked (I am one, so don't take this the wrong way) and I'm finding myself surprised that nobody asked it yet:

Would you Synthesize your LI without his/her consent?

Assuming it still affects everyone else in the galaxy then yes.  Ashley might take issue with it but she seems to have an open mind and would adjust to it rather quickly.

[JedTed]

 Here's a question for other Synthers who have headcanon for Shepard's "resurrection".  How long would it take for Shepard to come back post-Synthesis?  Originally i thought it might take 10 years for Shepard's body to rematerialize but i felt bad for making poor Ashley wait that long for her lover.

Another question: What of the yahg?  What do you think will happen to them post-Synthesis?  I'm surprised that there hasn't been more talk about them since Hackett said the Reapers left the yahg homeworld alone.

In my headcanon, one of the stories involves a krogan splinter group(those who oppose Wrex's rule) leave to Tuchanka and seek out the yahg homeworld.  While the yahg likely wouldn't follow the krogan they might see them as allies.  If you remember LotSB, the yahg are extremely tough and i imagine they would be an even greater threat if Synthesized.

[Ieldra]

JedTed wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question which was asked on an external forum. It's one I think every Synthesis supporter should be asked (I am one, so don't take this the wrong way) and I'm finding myself surprised that nobody asked it yet:

Would you Synthesize your LI without his/her consent?

Assuming it still affects everyone else in the galaxy then yes.  Ashley might take issue with it but she seems to have an open mind and would adjust to it rather quickly.

Ashley always struck me as a little conservative. In a moderate and not altogether unlikeable way, but still. Apart from Javik, it's her I'd expect to raise objections. But I admit she also comes across as adaptable.

[Ieldra]

JedTed wrote...
Here's a question for other Synthers who have headcanon for Shepard's "resurrection".  How long would it take for Shepard to come back post-Synthesis?  Originally i thought it might take 10 years for Shepard's body to rematerialize but i felt bad for making poor Ashley wait that long for her lover.

Here's the scene I have envisioned. It was written on March 5 and it isn't adapted to the EC yet so there may be a few irregularities. As an explanation, this is based on the idea that Shepard's mind is dispersed but not destroyed by the Synthesis, and he will re-coalesce within a timeframe of three months. After that, Miranda will help him to get a new body. Let it hereby be known I am sometimes susceptible to the cheesy:

Earth, three months after the Synthesis. Miranda is standing at a window on the upper floor of CAE tower, once the centre of her father’s business empire, looking out on the ocean with an apparently absent mind. It is a nice sunny day, and the nearby marina is busy and milling with people. On the surface, not much has changed, except that some people still haven’t got their glowing eyes under control and the rebuilding of the city is evident in the number of structures apparently growing by themselves on nearby properties, using up the rubble remaining from their predecessors as raw material. Some eccentrics have chosen to inhabit them as their bodies, but most people remain comfortable with their old bodies, human or non-human as they had been. The changes are all on the inside.

Miranda has a connector at her temple which hooks her up with a glowing sphere resting on a pedestal near the centre of the room – a database of the Old Machines, as everyone now calls the Reapers after their function has been rendered obsolete. In front of her eyes, a virtual screen shows data scrolling past at a speed that would be impossible for a normal human to follow - complex mathematical formulae, three-dimensional blueprints, rows of texts and symbols. She is Earths brightest mind, once genetically engineered for superior intelligence, among other things, now further enhanced by nanoelectronic implants. After the Synthesis, she has thrown herself into her self-appointed work: to understand the strange physics the Reapers based their technologies on, to acquire the knowledge of how to rebuild a mass relay network or some other method of fast FTL. And to find out what happened to Shepard in the Synthesis. Far at the back of her mind, the idea of a project of such an insane scope that she hasn’t mentioned it to anyone else yet: to reincarnate the species preserved in the Reapers.

Miranda’s identity now rests as much in circuits as in brain cells, but unlike the electronic brains of the old AIs, these circuits can process emotions as well. She has shut hers partly off while working, as she was wont to do even when she was still fully organic. It is easier now to shut them off, but passion for anything recedes when she does, it is not a desirable state of being. And as she refuses to let go of the hope that something of Shepard has survived the Synthesis, she holds on to the pain that hope inevitably brings with it. Occasionally, a hypothetical invisible observer would be able to see tears running down her face, but the only two people she would allow to witness them are not here.

As Miranda absorbs the data, she notices an anomaly. At the center of the virtual screen, a point of green light has appeared that refuses to obey her mental control. She frowns, but before she can do anything the light expands, then the screen explodes into multicolored chaos. She is ready to pull the plug, but also confident in her defenses. And curious. Slowly, the contours of a familiar face solidify out of the chaos. Virtual eyes – very familiar bright green eyes - focus on her, then a smile. Down a data line she didn’t know existed, a message of electric impulses condenses into thoughts, transformed into words made audible through her implants.

"I promised."

Another question: What of the yahg?  What do you think will happen to them post-Synthesis?  I'm surprised that there hasn't been more talk about them since Hackett said the Reapers left the yahg homeworld alone.

In my headcanon, one of the stories involves a krogan splinter group(those who oppose Wrex's rule) leave to Tuchanka and seek out the yahg homeworld.  While the yahg likely wouldn't follow the krogan they might see them as allies.  If you remember LotSB, the yahg are extremely tough and i imagine they would be an even greater threat if Synthesized.

Not more of a threat than they always were, actually. Synthesis changes everyone, and it's plausible to assume that the power balance remains about the same. The yahg will become a problem as soon as they develop or steal starflight technology. Which so far hasn't happened.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 octobre 2012 - 11:52 .

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Nothing pleases me more than seeing Walters' Dark Age nonsense retconned.

This! The thrice-damned dark age with its neo-luddite back-to-nature symbolism was my primary objection to the original endings. And they said the EC didn't change the endings.... *shakes head*

ALL of the endings are valid.

Just so. I prefer Synthesis over Control over Destroy for thematic reasons, but I have Shepards who choose either. Only Refuse gets the boot.

As for the LI question:
The thing is, if you *really* believe Synthesis is the best solution, and if you really believe that it may change what you are but not who you are, then refusing to affect your LI makes no sense. Just like everyone else, I would rather selectively Synthesize only the people who agree but I don't have that option. If you survived and your LI was mad at you, that would be just one more sacrifice.

Also, as jtav said, it may depend on how you envision your Shepard. For my main Shepard, Miranda extracted a promise from him after the SM when it became apparenty they might stay together: that he would never sacrifice the mission for her, never refuse to make an important decision for the benefit of galaxy just because of her. Both were in complete agreement that the fate of the galaxy takes precedence over their happiness. That I let fate reward that dedication and make him back to give them the happiness they would've denied themselves is a different matter.

So, for the two of my Shepards who choose Synthesis and have a living LI at the end of ME3, the answer is yes.

[Aurora313]

Well I've presented a solution to that scenario where people who have been synthesised attempt to reestablish that line and regain their organic selves again. I've always considered it a possibility.

However, I also believed that most of the Normandy crew - save perhaps Javik - refuse to do so. That for one reason or another, on some instinctual level, they realise that this is something Shepard had done and believed would truly benefit the galaxy.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Have you guys heard, in the Omega DLC we'll play as Aria! *dream fulfilled*

[Aurora313]

Yeah - and I don't want to feed the rEApers, so I'm giving this DLC a pass too.

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...


This! The thrice-damned dark age with its neo-luddite back-to-nature symbolism was my primary objection to the original endings. And they said the EC didn't change the endings.... *shakes head*

Luddite is a good word. The only thing that bothered me more was the in your face religious symbolism. Personal thoughts on Religion aside thast's just lazy. I hated it when people used it in film school for their projects.

At least they kept the possible Biblical incest! Stranded forever! Pair up! 

Just so. I prefer Synthesis over Control over Destroy for thematic reasons, but I have Shepards who choose either. Only Refuse gets the boot.

It's: Destroy->Synthesis->Control for me.

Refuse is a no go. Even if faced with something other than Destroy I know my Shepard would pick Control or Synthesis. There is NO excuse for allowing the deaths of everyone. THAT is a moral failing on his part.

And would definately be OOC for him. 

As for the LI question:
The thing is, if you *really* believe Synthesis is the best solution, and if you really believe that it may change what you are but not who you are, then refusing to affect your LI makes no sense. Just like everyone else, I would rather selectively Synthesize only the people who agree but I don't have that option. If you survived and your LI was mad at you, that would be just one more sacrifice.

I would actually be happier if we could simply Synthesize the Reapers, not everyone. That way we wouldn't need the "lulz" factor of Shepard's sacrifice. That way we can retain the knowledge of the Reapers and keep everyone alive.

That might be an interesting fan fic waiting to be written.

Also, as jtav said, it may depend on how you envision your Shepard. For my main Shepard, Miranda extracted a promise from him after the SM when it became apparenty they might stay together: that he would never sacrifice the mission for her, never refuse to make an important decision for the benefit of galaxy just because of her. Both were in complete agreement that the fate of the galaxy takes precedence over their happiness. That I let fate reward that dedication and make him back to give them the happiness they would've denied themselves is a different matter.

So, for the two of my Shepards who choose Synthesis and have a living LI at the end of ME3, the answer is yes.

HAPPINESS? 

No but I agree with you. Although some might argue that Synthesis does not fufill that ideal. 

Also I made a post in Phoenix Ieldra. Nothing too descript but I talk about your Prometheus idea. I also made a joke in there just to be clear.

Also JedTed asked to join and I let him in there. I'm interested in seeing what he has to say!

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 12 octobre 2012 - 01:41 .

[JedTed]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's the scene I have envisioned. It was written on March 5 and it isn't adapted to the EC yet so there may be a few irregularities. As an explanation, this is based on the idea that Shepard's mind is dispersed but not destroyed by the Synthesis, and he will re-coalesce within a timeframe of three months. After that, Miranda will help him to get a new body. Let it hereby be known I am sometimes susceptible to the cheesy:

<snip>

Interesting.  My headcanon says that when Shepard's body was "dispersed" his mind remained in the Citadel.  Similar to what happens to Shepard in Control except his mind isn't connected to Reapers.  It takes him 3 years to find a way to reconstitute his body through the Citadel, the sacrifice however is he looses his memories and requires the echo shard(which he got from Javik) to become whole again.

If you want to read more my fan-fic can be seen here.  It's still a work in progress so any feedback is welcome.

Modifié par JedTed, 13 octobre 2012 - 04:55 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Any of you cats play MP? XBL?

[Ieldra]

JedTed wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's the scene I have envisioned. It was written on March 5 and it isn't adapted to the EC yet so there may be a few irregularities. As an explanation, this is based on the idea that Shepard's mind is dispersed but not destroyed by the Synthesis, and he will re-coalesce within a timeframe of three months. After that, Miranda will help him to get a new body. Let it hereby be known I am sometimes susceptible to the cheesy:

<snip>

Interesting.  My headcanon says that when Shepard's body was "dispersed" his mind remained in the Citadel.  Similar to what happens to Shepard in Control except his mind isn't connected to Reapers.  It takes him 3 years to find a way to reconstitute his body through the Citadel, the sacrifice however is he looses his memories and requires the echo shard(which he got from Javik) to become whole again.

If you want to read more my fan-fic can be seen here.  It's still a work in progress so any feedback is welcome.

I would like to, but it appears the link requires that you be logged in. I'm only getting the login page.

I was thinking of how to integrate the echo shard into my scenario, and your idea is interesting. I'll probably won't use it though, it doesn't add anything since I don't make Shepard lose his memories. Using the Citadel as an anchor for Shepard's mind, that would solve the problem of where to anchor Shepard's mind physically. Or rather, in my post-Synthesis scenario, using the remaining functional information infrastructure in the mostly destroyed Citadel.

[Aurora313]

One of my destroy head canons is a little like that.

They find Shepard - or at least his body - a few years after the Crucible denoted, but he's working for a shady organisation under a different name because his literally doesn't know better. He remembers that he's experience at killing people and thats it. Basically, his LI and crew capture him, but he escapes and delivers the Normandy+crew to his boss.

His boss is kind of a dick and they meet another old friend there whose Shepard's right hand man and closest friend. Shepard talks honestly with a few of the crew - namely the LI. Typically, the LI tries to 'get through' to him by offering his old life back. Sh!t happens and the crew escapes. The LI and a few others, probably Garrus and Liara confront the big-bad, Shepard+his right hand. The LI extended an offer one more time. Shepard accepts and his friend kills the big bad and they make their way off on their escape.

Throughout the entire head canon, I keep it ambiguous on whether or not it's the real Shepard or a clone since there's evidence to support both conclusions.


My Synthesis head canon: an imprint of Shepard's mind resides within that of the Love Interest. The body is reconstructed by a transhumanist cult but only programmed with the basic drives. The primary being for it to try and find its mind.... kind of like the Meta featured in the Red Vs Blue series by RoosterTeeth. The body is little more than a feral beast on a leash.

The LI eventually finds Shepard's almost complete mind in the grasp of the Leviathans who have been mentally torturing him for the sake of research - trying to figure out why he's 'different' to the rest of humanity/galactic society. The whole reason they were set off on this search is because they accidentally touch the echo shard, seeing Shepard's memories inside it which have culminated together to become a pseudo-virtual intelligence. Kind of like Kasumi's graybox to resurrect Kenji.

He's rescued by the LI and requires his body after some time, only to discover that its already taken and literally gets kicked out of it. Turns out the Pseudo-VI, having absorbed every single memory from the Echo-Shard all the way to it's creation, has become far more intelligent, far more evolved and completely insane - basically, the very thing the Catalyst feared. Presenting the irony that Synthesis created the very thing it was supposed to prevent.

So it becomes a race against time to stop the VI from using everything at its disposal to go on a rampage. Shepard, well past his breaking point, tends to rant angrily about how much more horrible his life is getting by the minute, which the LI either agrees with or rants themselves about it.

Anyway - Shepard gets his body back at the end. The VI is once again within the Echo-Shard. Shepard apologises before snapping the thing in half and decides to bury it on Alchera, next to the Memorial he placed for the Normandy.

Modifié par Aurora313, 13 octobre 2012 - 10:38 .

[R3MUS]

I guess this is the ultimate answer the Catalyst was looking for.

It makes sense. The Reapers experimented and tried cybernetics on the Protheans. It didn't work so they made them into the Collectors. Oh wait... They were first trying to make them ascend into Reaper form. But that somehow didn't work. Hmm..

Nevermind. This is the ultimate solution. When Catalyst says "We have tried this before. It is not something that can be... forced. Organics were not ready. But you are and you may choose this".

About indoctrination and cybernetics.

All comes full circle. Just perfect.

[Aurora313]

I have a question. The Catalyst said that 'everything Shepard was' would be absorbed and sent out. Presumably copied multiply trillions of times and used as a template for altering the rest of the galaxy...

If Shepard was a biotic and used as a template for the synthesis - Would that allow every being to develop biotics, or at least gain that latent potential regardless of organic or synthetic origin? I apologise if this seems like a stupid question, but I still think its a valid one. Even if they never manifest, Shepard is a latent biotic and still has that potential. Also - there's mention (actually an entire plot point) that when Paul Grayson is implanted with Reaper Technology in Mass Effect: Retribution, he develops biotic abilities on par with Asari Commandos when none previously existed thanks to those implants.

I only ask because the Catalyst, Crucible, Citadel are all Leviathan constructs or Leviathan/Reaper-derived tech, so it stands to reason that the Synthesis implants might be a kind of Reaper/Leviathan-based biotechnology and might have similar properties.

Modifié par Aurora313, 13 octobre 2012 - 01:06 .

[Taboo]

@Aurora

Synthesis is activated via Shepard's sacrifice. That sacrifice espouses a thousand year old faux-science philosophy called Vitalism.

I've never understood why this was necessary. Synthesis is activated because Shepard has enough "soul energy". An Eastern equivalent would be Chi.

Biotics have nothing to do with it and I'm unsure if people are going to develop any. Although it's an interesting thought.

[Aurora313]

I know it's space magic mostly, and its hard to apply logic to his sacrifice beyond making the ending bittersweet and thematically ending Shepard's story (and life) forever. However, I just thought that their might have been a correlation between the two because Grayson's nano tech and the Synthesis nano tech essentially come from the same source albeit with mildly different functions.

Though I doubt that the Synthesis implants contain QE Tech powerful enough for the host to be controlled from an outside source, but it might possess a lesser kind of the Quantum entanglement tech if a form of limited mental communication is gained, such as the kind that Illedra theorised in the OP thesis.

Seriously though - this soul energy thing, is that from Gurren Lagann or something? If not, why didn't Shepard just will the Reapers, Catalyst and Leviathans from all existance? Better yet, send them so far out into the Omniverse that it would take more time than they had power for to get back and leave them adrift. The eternal reminded that Humanity is just that badass.

Modifié par Aurora313, 13 octobre 2012 - 01:28 .

[Ieldra]

Don' t try to make sense of Shepard's sacrifice in Synthesis, Aurora. It will only twist your brain. The thing is, Shepard isn't Synthesized so he cannot plausibly be a template for the Synthesis. The only way I can make it plausible is like this (and then the sacrifice is superfluous, maybe the result of an incomplete design):

The Crucible takes the image of what Shepard believes Synthesis to be out of his mind and *that* serves as a template. Which would mean that Synthesis is whatever your Shepard believes it to be, based on his/her interpretation of the Catalyst's description - within certain limits. I don't think elemental transmutation is a standard function of the Crucible, and you need eezo for biotics. I'd say no, it won't turn everyone into biotics.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 13 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[JedTed]

Does every organic race still gain a little bit of human DNA? That was always my assumption, they still look the same but they are just human hybrids now.

[Taboo]

It's a hybrid. I'd be wary of anything that removes all of that in place of something else. It's an addition to the existing framework.

That was my complaint with the Vanilla endings. We didn't have much to go on. I don't like Synthesis but there's no excuse for "lol Reaper plot" now. Not that I ever said it was one but still.

[CosmicGnosis]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don' t try to make sense of Shepard's sacrifice in Synthesis, Aurora. It will only twist your brain. The thing is, Shepard isn't Synthesized so he cannot plausibly be a template for the Synthesis. The only way I can make it plausible is like this (and then the sacrifice is superfluous, maybe the result of an incomplete design):

The Crucible takes the image of what Shepard believes Synthesis to be out of his mind and *that* serves as a template. Which would mean that Synthesis is whatever your Shepard believes it to be, based on his/her interpretation of the Catalyst's description - within certain limits. I don't think elemental transmutation is a standard function of the Crucible, and you need eezo for biotics. I'd say no, it won't turn everyone into biotics.

That's actually rather interesting. It really does allow Synthesis to be whatever you want it to be.

[Taboo]

It still makes me lol though. It's such a great concept it's just...so muddled in presentation I can't take it seriously.

[His Name was HYR!!]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Any of you cats play MP? XBL?

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Just unlocked the Volus Engineer yesterday. Fun times.

I named him "Technolo-GAWWWD!" 

[Aurora313]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Don' t try to make sense of Shepard's sacrifice in Synthesis, Aurora. It will only twist your brain. The thing is, Shepard isn't Synthesized so he cannot plausibly be a template for the Synthesis. The only way I can make it plausible is like this (and then the sacrifice is superfluous, maybe the result of an incomplete design):

The Crucible takes the image of what Shepard believes Synthesis to be out of his mind and *that* serves as a template. Which would mean that Synthesis is whatever your Shepard believes it to be, based on his/her interpretation of the Catalyst's description - within certain limits. I don't think elemental transmutation is a standard function of the Crucible, and you need eezo for biotics. I'd say no, it won't turn everyone into biotics.

That's actually rather interesting. It really does allow Synthesis to be whatever you want it to be.

Trust me, I've already tried and my brain is kind of half-dead trying to figure it out. Even with all my Sci-Fi, Sci-fant, experience, I still can't figure it out. I chalked it up to a function of the Crucible which detects fluctuation in the energy flow, scans the foriegn element and stores a copy for later use. That 'later use' being the activation of Synthesis, but the scanned copy of the foriegn element - IE Shepard, is only viable for a short time. Kind of like how transport patterns in Star Trek degrade over time, so does the Crucible's copy. So the window of opportunity to rescue him is only a limited window. And even after that, he'll come back how he was at the exact moment he went in. Blood-soaked, bleeding, bruised and practically dying. So, its really a matter of let his 'save image' die, or save him and then watch him slowly dying as his rescuers rushing around trying to save his life.

I guess that explination also kind of fits your idea of what the Crucible does.  But it doesn't exactly fit my headcanon any. Post-Battle, the Leviathans sweep through the Citadel and steal the used Crucible in hopes of recovering Shepard for experimentation.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Just thought of something that made me LOL.

EDI being the narrarator of the Synthesis epilogue, she's the character bringing that player's story to a close.

My reaction to EDI in ME2: "Shut that thing down! I don't want it on my ship."