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[Ieldra]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Just thought of something that made me LOL.

EDI being the narrarator of the Synthesis epilogue, she's the character bringing that player's story to a close.

My reaction to EDI in ME2: "Shut that thing down! I don't want it on my ship."

LOL, really? I liked the idea of having an AI in the ship. But I liked EDI better when she was still the ship and didn't have a humanoid body.

[Aurora313]

I liked having the humanoid body, but setting her up with Joker was a little too much. I did it anyway because Joker's a bro. But still. A bit much.

[Xilizhra]

Aurora313 wrote...

I liked having the humanoid body, but setting her up with Joker was a little too much. I did it anyway because Joker's a bro. But still. A bit much.

What's wrong with that?

[Aurora313]

Basically - just me being annoyed that I couldn't romance Joker. Beyond that I'm fine with it. Joker+EDI = comedy GOLD.

And EDI putting Shepard on the spot with 'The Talk' was just completely out of nowhere in my first playthrough. I had to pause the game 'cause I was laughing so hard.

Pretty much went like this:

EDI: 'Shepard, you've had first hand sexual experience -'
Me: *Bursts out laughing*


Poor little awkward Shepard was cute. EDI was just adorably blunt. I couldn't stop laughing.

Modifié par Aurora313, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Xilizhra]

Aurora313 wrote...

Basically - just me being annoyed that I couldn't romance Joker. Beyond that I'm fine with it. Joker+EDI = comedy GOLD.

I wouldn't object to Shepard romancing Joker while EDI romances Samantha.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Ieldra2 wrote...
LOL, really? I liked the idea of having an AI in the ship. But I liked EDI better when she was still the ship and didn't have a humanoid body.

One of the few things I remember from my first playthrough, and I started with ME2. I knew AIs can go both ways in a given sci-fi narrative: allies or enemies. I just elected to express some caution with it.

I chose to respond that way again after playing again through ME1 import, since Shepard's experienes with AI has always been bad before, even though I the player know it turns out alright. Fortunately, EDI and eventually Legion changes his perspective on them.

EDI is one of my favorites, though.

[Taboo]

EDI was inspired by Maria, who can be found in Fritz Lang's Metropolis. I'd be more giddy about it but Maria is far better.



Of note however is the idea that society is indeed fragile, no matter how advanced we are. It's a great film if you're interested, and they finally reconstructed it after almost 80 years.

EDI is a Pinocchio story more than anything else. I preferred her as the ship.

[JedTed]

Aurora313 wrote...

EDI: 'Shepard, you've had first hand sexual experience -'
Me: *Bursts out laughing*


Poor little awkward Shepard was cute. EDI was just adorably blunt. I couldn't stop laughing.

My first thought then i heard that was that EDI had been spying on Shepard's private moments in his cabin.  Then when she asks how "how do you know if someone is romantic interested in you?" i thought about how the way you progress romances in the game by talking to your LI after every mission. 

[RiouHotaru]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Nothing pleases me more than seeing Walters' Dark Age nonsense retconned.

This! The thrice-damned dark age with its neo-luddite back-to-nature symbolism was my primary objection to the original endings. And they said the EC didn't change the endings.... *shakes head*

ALL of the endings are valid.

Just so. I prefer Synthesis over Control over Destroy for thematic reasons, but I have Shepards who choose either. Only Refuse gets the boot.

As for the LI question:
The thing is, if you *really* believe Synthesis is the best solution, and if you really believe that it may change what you are but not who you are, then refusing to affect your LI makes no sense. Just like everyone else, I would rather selectively Synthesize only the people who agree but I don't have that option. If you survived and your LI was mad at you, that would be just one more sacrifice.

Also, as jtav said, it may depend on how you envision your Shepard. For my main Shepard, Miranda extracted a promise from him after the SM when it became apparenty they might stay together: that he would never sacrifice the mission for her, never refuse to make an important decision for the benefit of galaxy just because of her. Both were in complete agreement that the fate of the galaxy takes precedence over their happiness. That I let fate reward that dedication and make him back to give them the happiness they would've denied themselves is a different matter.

So, for the two of my Shepards who choose Synthesis and have a living LI at the end of ME3, the answer is yes.

Technically, the Dark Age is still there.  Even in Synthesis, there is the period of time where the relays are down, where conventional FTL is the only means of travel, and communications are for the most part, cut off.  In Destroy, that period of time lasts longer, but that time period still exists.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

EDI was inspired by Maria, who can be found in Fritz Lang's Metropolis. I'd be more giddy about it but Maria is far better.


Of note however is the idea that society is indeed fragile, no matter how advanced we are. It's a great film if you're interested, and they finally reconstructed it after almost 80 years.

EDI is a Pinocchio story more than anything else. I preferred her as the ship.

. Same here

[atheelogos]

Xilizhra wrote...

I find it much more acceptable that a species gets a place of influence through ingenious politics and selective distribution of knowledge than "inherent ethical superiority".

Quite frankly, I find it irritating, mostly because it pulled the speciesist whiners out of the woodwork to condemn the entire asari species as being evil/frauds. They were bad enough when the asari looked as though they'd advanced so far entirely of their own accord.

Of course, what ME3 seems to have completely forgotten is that the asari couldn't have used the beacon at all without the Cipher, and since the beacon was quite explicit about the Reaper threat, with Vendetta, I very much doubt the asari actually got anything out of it (especially since there was a huge statue built over it). After the Protheans saved the asari a couple of times from impending disaster and gave a couple of knowledge boosts, I suspect the asari did, in fact, build up their own technology level purely on their own, and kept the beacon as a source of potential knowledge to be cracked once they had the potential.

sounds like your in denial

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
That's the thing about Cerberus though. It attracts people like Miranda who want to be the best for humanity.

And then you get people like Kai Leng who are openly racist and poor examples of how things should be. The fact that TIM let that moron run around unchecked for so long is a great example of how to mess things up.

Miranda certainly isn't a goody goody but she openly states that being xenophobic is a poor reason for joining Cerberus. People need to there for the right reasons. That's why the SM was so important. That's the kind of thing Cerberus should have done.

That's important.

Actually, I'm having a great deal of trouble imagining the post-Synthesis galaxy in detail because it's so strange.

That's why they call it a singularity 

But really though I hope this next ME is set after the war. I'm dying to know what Synthesis will do in the short term and long term

Modifié par atheelogos, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:32 .

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

As I see it, Synthesis gives a boost as galactic civilization integrates the legacy of past cycles, but those civilizations can't have been that much more advanced because of the cycle. It's more that many different perspectives will be integrated and that will give rise to more creativity. The knowledge bound up the makeup of the Reapers will be more significant and easily deciphered, but people will be very wary of those things.

You're going to get things like culture and such other things. If anything it'll be like finding a galactic equivalent of the Library of Alexandria. I'd imagine that the cultural knowledge would be most interesting.

That's a strong and fitting metaphor, and incidentally a rather strong argument for keeping the Reapers alive if at all feasible.

Have you read Kahlee's speech in Siduri's Synthesis epilogue? It's pre-EC, but it gives a rather good impression I agree with. As an immediate effect we have that mental networking. What comes after is complete speculation, and the physical aspects aren't that relevant compare to the mental as human minds gain the ability to integrate themselves with technology. I'd also speculate that only a very small minority will transform themselves significantly away from a baseline organic for quite some time, just because it makes for a better story.

No I haven't. I do remember doing that though. I seem to recall Miranda giving Shepard a very passionate embrace in the ending I worked with.

Yes, that was the Destroy epilogue, and I found it very touching - their embrace on the battlefield becoming an iconic image of the Reaper War.

Kahlee's Synthesis speech in Siduri's epilogues goes like this (remember this was written long before the EC):

Post-Crucible, Day 41
Memorial speech delivered by Provisional Councilor Kahlee Sanders, at the ruins of St. Paul's Cathedral, London

I haven't ever given a speech like this before. A lot of us have been doing a lot of things for the first time, these past several weeks.

We're still figuring out how things are going to work now. We have these new spontaneous short-range networking capabilities—those of you who are physically present are sharing my thoughts at hyper-verbal speeds—and we're achieving a kind of unity and consensus that was never before possible. On the other hand, we still haven't established extra-system communications or travel, so we're not sure if the same thing is happening across the galaxy. We think it must be.

Even the Reapers are maintaining a presence in the network right now. I can feel their thoughts, so vast and timeless, like whales singing to each other in the lightless depths. I'm sorry. I seem to be straying from my prepared remarks.

We're here because, even as we mingle and exchange and learn, we need to mark what we have lost. We need to mourn. Those of us with organic origins have lost loved ones, homes, comrades-in-arms. Those of us with synthetic origins have lost analogous things. And all of us have lost so, so much time. Time spent at war with each other, when we could have been sharing and building and creating.

Out of all that has been lost, we have chosen today to mark the passing of a single human life. We are gathered together to mourn, and to celebrate, the enduring sacrifice of Commander Cyrus Shepard, the architect of our future.

Commander Shepard gave us our tomorrows. He isn't here to see them dawn. But all of us who look upon a rising star do so because of him.

We grieve, but we also rejoice. This is Shepard's victory. This is our victory. Thank you.

As for the rebuilding.... the epilogue slides are said to be set 20 to 200 years in the future.

Super MAC says that it takes ten to fifteen to rebuild fully. In all of the endings.

Super MAC > We petty mortals.

Yes, but the epilogues cover more time than the rebuilding. The timeframe is silly, but then, the whole post-Contact timeline is a mess of compressed events. They should've added a zero to the numbers. It's an old complaint. I recall making it on the old forums.

can I get a link to some of that fan fic?

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question which was asked on an external forum. It's one I think every Synthesis supporter should be asked (I am one, so don't take this the wrong way) and I'm finding myself surprised that nobody asked it yet:

Would you Synthesize your LI without his/her consent?

I have my answer, but I'll ask for others' first. Needless to say, if your answer is "no", you should reconsider choosing Synthesis. If your answer is "yes", what's your rationale?

Well seeing as I just Synthesized trillions of people without their consent I'd have to say yes. One more couldn't hurt. 

[atheelogos]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

This is for the Synthesis supporters:

Destroy vs. Control. Which one do you prefer, and why?

Control all the way. If I can't have to the singularity for everone you better believe I'll take it for myself.

[atheelogos]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Paragon Shepard brainwashed the heretics...
He spies on other people's conversations, loots the dead and has an astronomical body count...

Great, I'm glad you brought that up. I have more questions for all of you here. Please answer with your canon choices.

- Did you rewrite or destroy the geth heretics?
- Did you destroy or save the Collector Base?
- Did the above choices influence your final choice of Destroy, Control, or Synthesis? That is, did you follow a certain philosophy that you thought was consistent with these choices?

1.Rewrote
2. Saved the base.
3. Not really. Well kinda.

I saved the heretics cuz I needed a stronger Geth force for when the Reapers got here. wait pirate said it better "-Rewrite the geth. As Legion said, applying our moral standards on them is stupid. Moreover, if he, as a Geth has no problem with it. what do I have to say?"

I saved the base for the tech and data on the Reapers since we knew next to nothing about the Reapers at the time it seemed logical.

Modifié par atheelogos, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .

[atheelogos]

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah that's my concern. I mean no one is going to be completely lucid at that point. You can put my suspension of disbelief up pretty high but I'm not putting someone in that state in power.

It would certainly be a good idea if my Shepard was perfect. He's not.

The uploaded Shepalyst doesn't have emotion

How the hell do you know that?

[atheelogos]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Any of you cats play MP? XBL?

All the time. I play with really good people too. Send me ur gamertag if you ever want to play.

[atheelogos]

Aurora313 wrote...

I have a question. The Catalyst said that 'everything Shepard was' would be absorbed and sent out. Presumably copied multiply trillions of times and used as a template for altering the rest of the galaxy...

If Shepard was a biotic and used as a template for the synthesis - Would that allow every being to develop biotics, or at least gain that latent potential regardless of organic or synthetic origin? I apologise if this seems like a stupid question, but I still think its a valid one. Even if they never manifest, Shepard is a latent biotic and still has that potential. Also - there's mention (actually an entire plot point) that when Paul Grayson is implanted with Reaper Technology in Mass Effect: Retribution, he develops biotic abilities on par with Asari Commandos when none previously existed thanks to those implants.

I only ask because the Catalyst, Crucible, Citadel are all Leviathan constructs or Leviathan/Reaper-derived tech, so it stands to reason that the Synthesis implants might be a kind of Reaper/Leviathan-based biotechnology and might have similar properties.

Biotics can develop in anyone, man or machine, as long as you have the right tech to do it. As evidenced by the Asari race and Grayson

Modifié par atheelogos, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:34 .

[atheelogos]

JedTed wrote...
but they are just human hybrids now.

It doesn't work like that.... What benefit would Human DNA have in other lifeforms that evolved on different planets anyway?

[atheelogos]

Aurora313 wrote...

I liked having the humanoid body, but setting her up with Joker was a little too much. I did it anyway because Joker's a bro. But still. A bit much.

A bit much? lol I would have romanced her with my Shep if I could have ;)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Taboo-XX wrote...

EDI was inspired by Maria, who can be found in Fritz Lang's Metropolis. I'd be more giddy about it but Maria is far better.

Of note however is the idea that society is indeed fragile, no matter how advanced we are. It's a great film if you're interested, and they finally reconstructed it after almost 80 years.

Ah, memories. I agree, great film. I have to say I liked the 2001 anime version, which is based off a manga written in 1949 which was inspired by your Metropolis, better though(I'm an anime nut so probably why).

I know they don't share plot elemements but they have some very similar themes.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:42 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

atheelogos wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

I liked having the humanoid body, but setting her up with Joker was a little too much. I did it anyway because Joker's a bro. But still. A bit much.

A bit much? lol I would have romanced her with my Shep if I could have ;)

Hmm... Make Joker available for femshep and EDI available for maleshep. I could go for this.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:18 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

atheelogos wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah that's my concern. I mean no one is going to be completely lucid at that point. You can put my suspension of disbelief up pretty high but I'm not putting someone in that state in power.

It would certainly be a good idea if my Shepard was perfect. He's not.

The uploaded Shepalyst doesn't have emotion

How the hell do you know that?

Maybe because as we have seen in MEU, emotions are thought to be domain of organics, and after the upload process Shepalyst, in words of the Catalyst, is no longer an organic.

[Ieldra]

atheelogos wrote...
can I get a link to some of that fan fic?

They're not full stories.

Siduri's Unofficial Epilogue Slides is a fan creation, a website where you can create your own epilogue based on certain choices you made in the game. It was a response to the original endings, but I believe it may also have inspired the EC.

My post-Synthesis Miranda/Shepard reunion is more of a story outline, another reaction to the original endings.

I think both still have merit after the EC. Where Bioware couldn't but use a hammer for its presentation of the EC outcomes, both Siduri and I are using scalpels, being a little  more subtle about things and taking a single scene as indicative of the whole. But they're the same in spirit. Only the role of the Reapers is significantly bigger in the EC.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .