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A different ascension - the Synthesis compendium (now with EC material integrated)


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RiouHotaru wrote...

Technically, the Dark Age is still there.  Even in Synthesis, there is the period of time where the relays are down, where conventional FTL is the only means of travel, and communications are for the most part, cut off.  In Destroy, that period of time lasts longer, but that time period still exists.


It takes a whopping ten to fifteen years to rebuild in all of the endings. Bioware said so at the SDCC.

Dark Age it is not.

Bow down before Super MAC.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Technically, the Dark Age is still there.  Even in Synthesis, there is the period of time where the relays are down, where conventional FTL is the only means of travel, and communications are for the most part, cut off.  In Destroy, that period of time lasts longer, but that time period still exists.


It takes a whopping ten to fifteen years to rebuild in all of the endings. Bioware said so at the SDCC.

Dark Age it is not.

Bow down before Super MAC.


You know what? I'm just going to say screw you to SuperMac.

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Given that had he got his wish with the original endings, the ME universe would experience a 10k-year dark age, I can echo that sentiment.

Nonetheless I leave the relays destroyed in my post-Synthesis headcanon, because I find it more interesting to posit that a new and exotic method for long-distance star travel will be found.

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atheelogos wrote...

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but they are just human hybrids now.

It doesn't work like that.... What benefit would Human DNA have in other lifeforms that evolved on different planets anyway?:huh:


It would make it easier for all races to "integrate" with each other.  The only species in ME that can mate with everyone are the asari, and even then their offspring always looks asari(with a little genetic material from the "father" species).  We've never seen hybrids of other races because their physiology is so different.  I always assumed that Synthesis would make inter-species breeding more possible.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Given that had he got his wish with the original endings, the ME universe would experience a 10k-year dark age, I can echo that sentiment.

Nonetheless I leave the relays destroyed in my post-Synthesis headcanon, because I find it more interesting to posit that a new and exotic method for long-distance star travel will be found.



Yes - I remember that in one of my Pre-EC canons, the Relays were infact sitting on 'nexus points'. Entryways into a subspace dimension that links practically every system imaginable. That was causing the dark energy build up. The clashing of the Relays powersource and the Nexus raditation. Didn't know how it worked, but with the Relays gone, pratically everything got better. Although it was incredibly slow compared to the relatively instantinous travel of the Relays. Although navigation requires almost a transhuman-level of instinct and perception to navigate. I'd explain it all again, but I don't currently have the time. Basically, the precursor race I invisioned were actually half-way decent if a little neglectful. Their neglecence is what caused the Catalyst to go rogue in the first place.

And I agree. It's exciting to think what kind of tech they'd come up with. Maybe they'll go back to the FTL technology that Kaidan offhandedly mentioned in 1, before humanity followed the trend of Eezo and ME fields.


What gets me is that the races are so stagnated that they think humanity's rise to power is seen as ambitious and intimidating, when that kind of gain and competitiveness is typical and natural to humanity. And the idea of heavy carriers is 'innovative' when by that time in verse, humanity's had the concept in practice for 300 years. Kind of sad, but encountering humanity must have definately been a wake-up call to the council races. Since in thei first contact war,  humans took on the Turians and damn near won. And they can product individuals as wonderful and noble as Para!Shepard (Renagade Shepard too to a lesser extent.) and as cold and extreme as TIM.

Guess no matter how you look at it, humanity = win.

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Who is more hated as a group on the BSN forums:

Synthesis supporters or Indoctrination Theory supporters?

Seriously, people hate you guys. They think you're the scum of the fanbase...

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I think the Refuse supporters at the selfish amoral jackasses of the fan base, doesn't mean I'll go to their thread and outright insult them. They made a choice and I respect that. I don't like the choice they made. Doesn't meant I'll give them sh!t about it.

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What gets me is that the races are so stagnated that they think humanity's rise to power is seen as ambitious and intimidating, when that kind of gain and competitiveness is typical and natural to humanity. And the idea of heavy carriers is 'innovative' when by that time in verse, humanity's had the concept in practice for 300 years. Kind of sad, but encountering humanity must have definately been a wake-up call to the council races. Since in thei first contact war, humans took on the Turians and damn near won. And they can product individuals as wonderful and noble as Para!Shepard (Renagade Shepard too to a lesser extent.) and as cold and extreme as TIM.

The humans didn't even come close to winning. They managed to beat a tiny turian expeditionary force on one planet, and had the entire Hierarchy brought its might to bear, the humans would have been flattened. The asari called off the turians before the war could go that far; there's a reason why the turians call it the Relay 314 Incident, and that's that it didn't even qualify as a war in turian terms.

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Seriously, people hate you guys. They think you're the scum of the fanbase...


We don't give a sh!t :P Let them hate us, meanwhile, we'll continue to love synthesis. :D

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 Iron Maiden - The Pilgrim is my designated anthem to synthesis ending. :)

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Aurora313 wrote...

I think the Refuse supporters at the selfish amoral jackasses of the fan base, doesn't mean I'll go to their thread and outright insult them. They made a choice and I respect that. I don't like the choice they made. Doesn't meant I'll give them sh!t about it.


I was always of the opinion that people picked refuse just to one up Bioware and that any other form of reason they give for picking it is pure silliness. 

 

Iron Maiden - The Pilgrim is my designated anthem to synthesis ending.


Mine is Paradise Awaits. B)

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .


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HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Iron Maiden - The Pilgrim is my designated anthem to synthesis ending. :)


This is mine. :police::lol:

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pirate1802 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Iron Maiden - The Pilgrim is my designated anthem to synthesis ending. :)


This is mine. :police::lol:


I can't tell if that top comment is supporting Synthesis or mocking it. 

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I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.


Yes. You have found the promised land. You are safe here. 

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Eterna5 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.


Yes. You have found the promised land. You are safe here. 


The Promised Land of Delusion, or so many would have you believe.

I really like the idea of Synthesis. I always wanted to validate synthetic life in the eyes of doubters, and I even wanted to make peace with the Reapers. I just hate that every being in the galaxy is affected by it. Not just the Citadel species, but every species. It's so extreme.

At the same time, it doesn't seem to affect individuals that much, unless they want it to. But that depends on your interpretation. Perception defines reality, and many people perceive Synthesis as the Reaper choice. Even if that wasn't the intention, well... look at what happened with the original endings. Audience perception can be completely different from the writer's intention.

Synthesis would definitely be my choice if I could keep it from being crushed under its own weight. I've yet to find a way to feel comfortable with it.

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Eterna5 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.


Yes. You have found the promised land. You are safe here. 

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.


Yes. You have found the promised land. You are safe here. 


The Promised Land of Delusion, or so many would have you believe.

I really like the idea of Synthesis. I always wanted to validate synthetic life in the eyes of doubters, and I even wanted to make peace with the Reapers. I just hate that every being in the galaxy is affected by it. Not just the Citadel species, but every species. It's so extreme.

At the same time, it doesn't seem to affect individuals that much, unless they want it to. But that depends on your interpretation. Perception defines reality, and many people perceive Synthesis as the Reaper choice. Even if that wasn't the intention, well... look at what happened with the original endings. Audience perception can be completely different from the writer's intention.

Synthesis would definitely be my choice if I could keep it from being crushed under its own weight. I've yet to find a way to feel comfortable with it.

I dislike that "everyone is changed" aspect just like most others. I would've preferred it if it affected just Shepard, who then continued to bring it to everyone else who wanted it, or just the species in contact with the mass relays. But...I think you have to make an important distinction with regard to Synthesis: it may change *what* you are on some level, but it doesn't change *who* you are. At least, there's zero indication of that and plenty of evidence that people remain who they'd been: In the epilogue, we see the different characters doing things appropriate for them. I see no reason not to take that at face value.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.

Safe? Relatively spoken, maybe, but read the first few pages. Things were rather ugly for a time after this thread first came up.

It was interesting. I made this thread about a month or two before the EC came out. People came here and said my interpretation was all headcanon. Then the EC came out and validated significant aspects of my interpretation, and rather than back off, half of the same people came back and said everyone was brainwashed and the EC epilogue slides were a mask hiding an uglier truth.

Plainly, "Synthesis is bad" is not a conclusion but a dogma for those people.

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Ah yes, the ugly truth, the grand reveal etc etc etc.. They are still hoping BioWare would someday play the IT card aren't they? Well it seems we aren't the most delusional people out there. xD

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pirate1802 wrote...

Ah yes, the ugly truth, the grand reveal etc etc etc.. They are still hoping BioWare would someday play the IT card aren't they? Well it seems we aren't the most delusional people out there. xD

Well, it could happen. Let's not tempt irony...

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It could, and my house can collapse on me this very second, but I can see neither happening. Before EC, yes. Strong chance then, but slim chance, now.

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Is this place safe? Yes, for the most part.

You will get some goof balls in here sometimes. But I warn Ieldra if that is the case.

But now I'll pick a song for Synthesis just for Ieldra. Make it German or some such.

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

Who is more hated as a group on the BSN forums:

Synthesis supporters or Indoctrination Theory supporters?

Seriously, people hate you guys. They think you're the scum of the fanbase...



IT is stupid, Bioware is no where near competent enough to work that out.
Indoctrination as headcanon is ok, I'm pretty sure the the majority of Indoctrination fans also feel this way.

But really if you think Bioware is going to somehow make ME3 good, you're wrong so don't support IT.
Just headcanon that Shepard was indoctrinated, makes life easier.
I don't think there is many people who think IT is true and support it.


Synthesis is complete trash and really there is only one boat and it is a trash boat, all synthesis supporters are on it.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Who is more hated as a group on the BSN forums:

Synthesis supporters or Indoctrination Theory supporters?

Seriously, people hate you guys. They think you're the scum of the fanbase...



IT is stupid, Bioware is no where near competent enough to work that out.
Indoctrination as headcanon is ok, I'm pretty sure the the majority of Indoctrination fans also feel this way.

But really if you think Bioware is going to somehow make ME3 good, you're wrong so don't support IT.
Just headcanon that Shepard was indoctrinated, makes life easier.
I don't think there is many people who think IT is true and support it.


Synthesis is complete trash and really there is only one boat and it is a trash boat, all synthesis supporters are on it.


You're trying way too hard.