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[Taboo]

Giving the Synthesis people a hard time used to mean something. Now it isn't even criticism. It's just bad.

No it doesn't Indoctrinate
No it doesn't make everyone the same
No it doesn't take away free will

But yes it DOES have Vitalism. That's why I can't pick it.

[DrGunjah]

pirate1802 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Iron Maiden - The Pilgrim is my designated anthem to synthesis ending. 

This is mine.

I find this one more suitable:
www.youtube.com/watch :innocent:

Modifié par DrGunjah, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:45 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Giving the Synthesis people a hard time used to mean something. Now it isn't even criticism. It's just bad.

No it doesn't Indoctrinate
No it doesn't make everyone the same
No it doesn't take away free will

But yes it DOES have Vitalism. That's why I can't pick it.

You're now my favourite non-synthesizer.

Curious, if Shepard's sacrifice was made more believable, or he/she wasn't sacrificed at all (like how Ieldra2 thought of), would you be more sympathetic towards it?

[DirtyPhoenix]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Synthesis is complete trash and really there is only one boat and it is a trash boat, all synthesis supporters are on it.

If Synthesis is a trash boat, then I'm glad to be on this trash boat.

[ATiBotka]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Synthesis is complete trash and really there is only one boat and it is a trash boat, all synthesis supporters are on it.

I love you man!

[His Name was HYR!!]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I hear this is a safe plce for Synthesis supporters, is this true? I try to defend it elsewhere but people get mad at me.

For the most part, yes. We should get a little more convo going here though since this is one of the more *troll-free topics on this site, after EC.

*I hate that word, but its use is correct here.

[Taboo]

pirate1802 wrote...


You're now my favourite non-synthesizer.  

Curious, if Shepard's sacrifice was made more believable, or he/she wasn't sacrificed at all (like how Ieldra2 thought of), would you be more sympathetic towards it?

Yes I would. I think that Shepard dying here is actually the most contrived simply because it makes no sense. I would have much preferred him simply activating the Crucible and Synthesis.

Take Control. I accept his sacrifice there because to control the machine he must become one. Now look at Synthesis. Not only does it force silly principles in my face it also sacrifices Shepard for the lulz. It annoys me because the sacrifice doesn't mean anything.

I don't like killing the Reapers but I accept it. The loss of that knowledge is horrible. But so is the Sacrifice in Synthesis.

I wanted realism, not Mysticism.

[Ieldra]

*Sigh* You're so right with that, Taboo. I wanted an SF story, not fantasy in space. Let it be known that I'm choosing Synthesis in spite of that, but it's a big annoyance and I won't shut up about it. That thrice-damned comic book logic of the lead writer...

That, btw, is why I feel free to headcanon Shepard's sacrifice away and make him come back. Just retconning things that make no sense. I'll return things to their SF roots even against the Word of God.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 octobre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

*Sigh* You're so right with that, Taboo. I wanted an SF story, not fantasy in space. Let it be known that I'm choosing Synthesis in spite of that, but it's a big annoyance and I won't shut up about it. That thrice-damned comic book logic of the lead writer...

That, btw, is why I feel free to headcanon Shepard's sacrifice away and make him come back. Just retconning things that make no sense. I'll return things to their SF roots even against the Word of God.

Sounds pretty Jesus-y to me Ieldra. 

But yes I can't pick it because of the narrative lulzyness. 

I actually pick Destroy because it's more realistic to me.

[CosmicGnosis]

I don't want to kill all synthetics!
I don't want to become a god!
I don't want to change every living being!
But I want to use the Crucible.

I really need to settle on an ending. I've been struggling with this since March, and it's really starting to get to me.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 16 octobre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Taboo]

Get the Geth destroyed over Rannoch. If you do it correctly from a meta-gaming perspective Shepard will never know their past.

Sell Legion
Don't do the consensus mission.

They look like ruthless machines.

Awful I know but it makes the sacrifice in Destroy a lot less...awful. The Geth VI looks like it's outright betraying Shepard.

[His Name was HYR!!]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I don't want to kill all synthetics!
I don't want to become a god!
I don't want to change every living being!
But I want to use the Crucible.

I really need to settle on an ending. I've been struggling with this since March, and it's really starting to get to me.

Surely you must have one that you're leaning toward.

Pick that one and don't look back. You'll get over whatever downsides are involved, because they all have downsides.

[MegaSovereign]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Get the Geth destroyed over Rannoch. If you do it correctly from a meta-gaming perspective Shepard will never know their past.

Sell Legion
Don't do the consensus mission.

They look like ruthless machines.

Awful I know but it makes the sacrifice in Destroy a lot less...awful. The Geth VI looks like it's outright betraying Shepard.

Lol that's an awful way to play ME. Besides the ending railroads you into caring about synthetics. "There has to be another way."

[ATiBotka]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Get the Geth destroyed over Rannoch. If you do it correctly from a meta-gaming perspective Shepard will never know their past.

Sell Legion
Don't do the consensus mission.

They look like ruthless machines.

Awful I know but it makes the sacrifice in Destroy a lot less...awful. The Geth VI looks like it's outright betraying Shepard.

But you know that's not true.

[Taboo]

I know it isn't true. But Shepard doesn't.

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

If he can meta-game I can too.

[ATiBotka]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know it isn't true. But Shepard doesn't.

Doesn't make me feel any better.

Stiil, I don't have any problem choosing Destroy. Losing the Geth and EDI is an acceptable price for beating the Reapers. I just like Synthesis better.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know it isn't true. But Shepard doesn't.

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

If he can meta-game I can too.

And I prefer to get to see their history. From the get go in ME1 when the Tali waifu talks about the Geth, I know there's more going on than she knows or the Quarians know.

From a meta-game perspective for me, they're the sacrifice that Shepard must make to kill the Reapers.

For headcanon purposes, I completely reject the given universe and substitute it with my own.

[Taboo]

pirate1802 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

.

Yes, Ieldra is in fact evil. 

But I think the dialouge is actually really interesting. He spoke about it once. You'll have to ask him about it.

[ATiBotka]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

This dialogue?

[Taboo]

ATiBotka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

This dialogue?

Yes that's it! Thank you!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Taboo-XX wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know Ieldra gets the Normandy crew liquefied to get dialogue from Legion.

.

Yes, Ieldra is in fact evil. 

But I think the dialouge is actually really interesting. He spoke about it once. You'll have to ask him about it.

You can get that same dialogue by just leaving of few of the DLC missions for after the collector base. No one has to die. A few quick and uselss ones like firewalker do it nicely. Though I liked saving Shadow Broker and Arrival for last. Better narrative flow IMO.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:11 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Greylycantrope wrote...

You can get that same dialogue by just leaving of few of the DLC missions for after the collector base. No one has to die. A few quick and uselss ones like firewalker do it nicely. Though I liked saving Shadow Broker and Arrival for last. Better narrative flow IMO.

No, he needs to talk about the geth Dyson Sphere before you see the end-game Human Reaper at all, to make sense of a little tidbit of dialogue where he says "The Reapers are more your future than ours." This cannot come before some of the crew dying, however, I think it's the third/fourth conversation with him, and there are only two missions before the crew abduction.

After the mission, you can call him out on that line somewhat and accuse him of knowing what the Reapers were all along, and he explains the nature of the Reapers.

Then again, he does this in ME3 anyway, so...

[GreyLycanTrope]

Could have sworn I got it anyway, been a while since I played though, might just be my imagination.

[CosmicGnosis]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I don't want to kill all synthetics!
I don't want to become a god!
I don't want to change every living being!
But I want to use the Crucible.

I really need to settle on an ending. I've been struggling with this since March, and it's really starting to get to me.

Surely you must have one that you're leaning toward.

Pick that one and don't look back. You'll get over whatever downsides are involved, because they all have downsides.

I... don't know.