No it isn't. The only reason Synthesis holds any attraction for me at all is that it sets the minds inside the Reapers free. They should never have been created, but they are here now and have a right to exist. The cycles were undertaken under the Catalyst's control. When freed of that control, they help.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:07
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[quote]fiendishchicken wrote...
[quote]jtav wrote...
The galaxy, the universe, is a better place with the Reapers gone.
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Actually I would argue the galaxy is a better place with the cataylst gone. They help rebuild once they're free of its control
[quote]jtav wrote...
The galaxy, the universe, is a better place with the Reapers gone.
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Actually I would argue the galaxy is a better place with the cataylst gone. They help rebuild once they're free of its control
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#5453
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:08
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don't know why that's in quotes lol
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:10
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THIS:)jtav wrote...
No it isn't. The only reason Synthesis holds any attraction for me at all is that it sets the minds inside the Reapers free. They should never have been created, but they are here now and have a right to exist. The cycles were undertaken under the Catalyst's control. When freed of that control, they help.
#5455
Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:12
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Samtheman63 wrote...
the catalyst is contolling the reapers, the same reapers who rid the galaxy of life every 50k years, i suggest you don't listen to him
synthesis/control is exactly what they want, they try to manipulate shepard, first through TiM, and then through the child, both of which end in shepard commiting suicide funnily enough
Then he should have left him to bleed out. Why pull him up? They were already winning the war by a long mile. The galaxy's last hope wasn't working. He had absolutely no reason to help him up.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:15
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pirate1802 wrote...
Samtheman63 wrote...
the catalyst is contolling the reapers, the same reapers who rid the galaxy of life every 50k years, i suggest you don't listen to him
synthesis/control is exactly what they want, they try to manipulate shepard, first through TiM, and then through the child, both of which end in shepard commiting suicide funnily enough
Then he should have left him to bleed out. Why pull him up? They were already winning the war by a long mile. The galaxy's last hope wasn't working. He had absolutely no reason to help him up.
And the Catalyst helps Shepard, even if Destroy is the only option.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:17
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fiendishchicken wrote...
And you're making an asspull now, saying that EDI would want a different solution. She doesn't want to see them destroyed because "it's the only way", she want's to see them destroyed because she hates them, she is repulsed by them.
And she was repulsed by them because of what they were doing. Its all connected. Also:
EDI: The reapers are motivated by nothing but self-preservation.
If I was EDI It'd be the first thing that'd cross my mind. If they are so motivated by it, why are they presenting the option to destroy them? They can't indoctrinate her, she's a synthetic. Why then present her with a chance to kill them?
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:20
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. But are those minds worth saving? There is no in game evidence to suggest you can cure an indictrinated mindjtav wrote...
No it isn't. The only reason Synthesis holds any attraction for me at all is that it sets the minds inside the Reapers free. They should never have been created, but they are here now and have a right to exist. The cycles were undertaken under the Catalyst's control. When freed of that control, they help.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:21
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. When does the Catalyst try o pull him up? The lift seems to have been activated by Shepard flailing around. After that Starbrat tries to indoctrinate himpirate1802 wrote...
Samtheman63 wrote...
the catalyst is contolling the reapers, the same reapers who rid the galaxy of life every 50k years, i suggest you don't listen to him
synthesis/control is exactly what they want, they try to manipulate shepard, first through TiM, and then through the child, both of which end in shepard commiting suicide funnily enough
Then he should have left him to bleed out. Why pull him up? They were already winning the war by a long mile. The galaxy's last hope wasn't working. He had absolutely no reason to help him up.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:23
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Steelcan wrote...
. But are those minds worth saving? There is no in game evidence to suggest you can cure an indictrinated mindjtav wrote...
No it isn't. The only reason Synthesis holds any attraction for me at all is that it sets the minds inside the Reapers free. They should never have been created, but they are here now and have a right to exist. The cycles were undertaken under the Catalyst's control. When freed of that control, they help.
I think not. I believe in their annihilation. Whatever, whoever they were before becoming Reapers is long gone.
With them gone, we can be free ourselves. To finally grow beyond the shadow of the Reapers into something more.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:27
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Steelcan wrote...
. When does the Catalyst try o pull him up? The lift seems to have been activated by Shepard flailing around. After that Starbrat tries to indoctrinate himpirate1802 wrote...
Samtheman63 wrote...
the catalyst is contolling the reapers, the same reapers who rid the galaxy of life every 50k years, i suggest you don't listen to him
synthesis/control is exactly what they want, they try to manipulate shepard, first through TiM, and then through the child, both of which end in shepard commiting suicide funnily enough
Then he should have left him to bleed out. Why pull him up? They were already winning the war by a long mile. The galaxy's last hope wasn't working. He had absolutely no reason to help him up.
Shepard doesn't push a single button..
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:28
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On second thought, the lift was probably equipped with kinect. 
The reapers would be damning that Salarian videogamme salesman..
The reapers would be damning that Salarian videogamme salesman..
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:31
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fiendishchicken wrote...
I think not. I believe in their annihilation. Whatever, whoever they were before becoming Reapers is long gone.
With them gone, we can be free ourselves. To finally grow beyond the shadow of the Reapers into something more.
That is how you see things, and I respect it.
My view is if they can be saved, I'll save them. Its 1000 times worth it. I'll destroy them only when it is the absolutely last option.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:35
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pirate1802 wrote...
fiendishchicken wrote...
I think not. I believe in their annihilation. Whatever, whoever they were before becoming Reapers is long gone.
With them gone, we can be free ourselves. To finally grow beyond the shadow of the Reapers into something more.
That is how you see things, and I respect it.
I guess I respect your opinion as well *sigh* <_<
It's the only option for me, destroying them.
If I were to control them, my first order of business would be to fly them into a black hole.
Won't even touch synthesis.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:35
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. Savior of the galaxy..........pirate1802 wrote...
On second thought, the lift was probably equipped with kinect.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:37
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Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:38
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jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
Then let's chalk this up to me. I WILL kill, as a trained soldier of the US Army if it presents a threat, and to more than just me.
There's our fundamental difference.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:39
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. Lets be honest here, it is self defense to kill the reapers. Control was a pipe dream until you meet the catalyst, then all of a sudden it's totally possible, sure I'm the leader of the reapers, but why would I lie?jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:39
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. I'm a bit of a nut, so.........fiendishchicken wrote...
jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
Then let's chalk this up to me. I WILL kill, as a trained soldier of the US Army if it presents a threat, and to more than just me.
There's our fundamental difference.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:47
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Steelcan wrote...
. Lets be honest here, it is self defense to kill the reapers. Control was a pipe dream until you meet the catalyst, then all of a sudden it's totally possible, sure I'm the leader of the reapers, but why would I lie?jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
If you can't trust the Catalyst, you can't choose anything. I mean, shooting what looks like a power conduit, therre's no way that could backfire, right? And the moment Destroy is no longer the minimum necessary force to stop them, it ceases to be either self-defense or justice.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:50
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. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapersjtav wrote...
If you can't trust the Catalyst, you can't choose anything. I mean, shooting what looks like a power conduit, therre's no way that could backfire, right? And the moment Destroy is no longer the minimum necessary force to stop them, it ceases to be either self-defense or justice.Steelcan wrote...
. Lets be honest here, it is self defense to kill the reapers. Control was a pipe dream until you meet the catalyst, then all of a sudden it's totally possible, sure I'm the leader of the reapers, but why would I lie?jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:52
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Steelcan wrote...
. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapersjtav wrote...
If you can't trust the Catalyst, you can't choose anything. I mean, shooting what looks like a power conduit, therre's no way that could backfire, right? And the moment Destroy is no longer the minimum necessary force to stop them, it ceases to be either self-defense or justice.Steelcan wrote...
. Lets be honest here, it is self defense to kill the reapers. Control was a pipe dream until you meet the catalyst, then all of a sudden it's totally possible, sure I'm the leader of the reapers, but why would I lie?jtav wrote...
Whatever the Reapers were is long gone, but they seem to have some higher mental functions and meet the verse's definition of life. I won't kill except in self-defense.
Same here. I do want a bit of revenge against the Reapers though. Just a bit.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:56
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[quote]fiendishchicken wrote..
. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapers
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Same here. I do want a bit of revenge against the Reapers though. Just a bit.
[/quote]. I pity, the reapers, very slightly. But the way I see it, I'm setting them free, same as the geth heretics.
. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapers
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Same here. I do want a bit of revenge against the Reapers though. Just a bit.
[/quote]. I pity, the reapers, very slightly. But the way I see it, I'm setting them free, same as the geth heretics.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 04:56
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Sorry chicken, but there's no way in hell a synthetic and synthetic-sympathizer such as EDI chooses Destroy over Synthesis. No way!
For someone who so boldly claims to "risk non-functionality" to destroy the Reapers, she sure as was very apologetic for the geth, who did the complete opposite. She's not a fan if you sacrifice them, either. Also, she makes that claim at a time when none of us know the truth about the Reapers. She's repulsed by an impression she has of them that's ultimately wrong, given what we find out later.
That's what separates Synthesizers from (most) Destroyers, anyway. That new information makes a difference and changes our perspective at the end of the game. EDI, being the synthetic sympathizer she is, will easily choose to free them after finding out what she does from the catalyst. And you can prove that easily with her monologue for Synthesis: her opinion of the Reapers has changed.
There are very few ME squadmates I could see choosing anything but Destroy, but EDI is one of them.
For someone who so boldly claims to "risk non-functionality" to destroy the Reapers, she sure as was very apologetic for the geth, who did the complete opposite. She's not a fan if you sacrifice them, either. Also, she makes that claim at a time when none of us know the truth about the Reapers. She's repulsed by an impression she has of them that's ultimately wrong, given what we find out later.
That's what separates Synthesizers from (most) Destroyers, anyway. That new information makes a difference and changes our perspective at the end of the game. EDI, being the synthetic sympathizer she is, will easily choose to free them after finding out what she does from the catalyst. And you can prove that easily with her monologue for Synthesis: her opinion of the Reapers has changed.
There are very few ME squadmates I could see choosing anything but Destroy, but EDI is one of them.
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Posté 21 octobre 2012 - 05:04
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[quote]Steelcan wrote...
[quote]fiendishchicken wrote..
. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapers
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Same here. I do want a bit of revenge against the Reapers though. Just a bit.
[/quote]. I pity, the reapers, very slightly. But the way I see it, I'm setting them free, same as the geth heretics.
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I hold nothing but contempt and indignation for the Reapers. They dare say that we are not worth existing? That we bring chaos to their order?
Yeah, they're totally going to get it.
[quote]fiendishchicken wrote..
. I'm not questioning the validity of the choices, just their presentation, you've known destroy was possible for the whole game. And I don't pick destroy out of a sense of justice or self defense, I pick it for the right of life to self determinate, make its own future, free of the reapers
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Same here. I do want a bit of revenge against the Reapers though. Just a bit.
[/quote]. I pity, the reapers, very slightly. But the way I see it, I'm setting them free, same as the geth heretics.
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I hold nothing but contempt and indignation for the Reapers. They dare say that we are not worth existing? That we bring chaos to their order?
Yeah, they're totally going to get it.
