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[Vigilant111]

now now dreman9999 lets look at IT as the last resort to a credible ending

Modifié par Vigilant111, 23 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[Ieldra]

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

I kinda get what u mean now, synthetics don't have DNA, above statement is a s**tty plothole

You notice the pause before the Catalyst says "....DNA". I think this is a "metaphor for the dumb human" (lilitheris). And yeah; i have complained about the silly phrasing and misplaced metaphors so often, I didn't think anyone was unaware of my stance on this.

[Ieldra]

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

[Vigilant111]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

I kinda get what u mean now, synthetics don't have DNA, above statement is a s**tty plothole

You notice the pause before the Catalyst says "....DNA". I think this is a "metaphor for the dumb human" (lilitheris). And yeah; i have complained about the silly phrasing and misplaced metaphors so often, I didn't think anyone was unaware of my stance on this.

hahaha that pause is not long enough to bring a bell, should have put more emphasis on it

[Taboo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

I kinda get what u mean now, synthetics don't have DNA, above statement is a s**tty plothole

You notice the pause before the Catalyst says "....DNA". I think this is a "metaphor for the dumb human" (lilitheris). And yeah; i have complained about the silly phrasing and misplaced metaphors so often, I didn't think anyone was unaware of my stance on this.

In theater, a dramtic pause should be distinct.

He doesn't pause for enough time for a great number of people.

One could easily dismiss it as an oversight and the way the lines are read.

It's presented poorly, so I can't decide what I think. The whole presentation is just bad.

[Vigilant111]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

Agreed

[Vigilant111]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

I kinda get what u mean now, synthetics don't have DNA, above statement is a s**tty plothole

You notice the pause before the Catalyst says "....DNA". I think this is a "metaphor for the dumb human" (lilitheris). And yeah; i have complained about the silly phrasing and misplaced metaphors so often, I didn't think anyone was unaware of my stance on this.

In theater, a dramtic pause should be distinct.

He doesn't pause for enough time for a great number of people.

One could easily dismiss it as an oversight and the way the lines are read.

It's presented poorly, so I can't decide what I think. The whole presentation is just bad.

The catalyst should have tilted its head, like it explaining to a kid something by using kiddish words

[antares_sublight]

Still haven't heard about just how intelligent these parasitic nanites are and just how much control they have over their hosts. You say they lie dormant in non-intelligent species like plants and microorganisms, monitoring them until they reach some particular evolutionary stage at which point the nanites begin to manipulate the life form as they see fit? Where do they lie in wait inside plant life? Just hanging around inside the plant cell walls, waiting? When the plant dies, do they move to a different plant to wait around some more? If you say that they are affecting the evolution of the plants, are they doing this by manipulating the cell structures and genetics of the plants?

And by the way, how do these nanites reach all life forms anyway? How do they reach fish at the bottom of the ocean, microbes deep in the crust of a planet, some worker in a mine dozens of miles underground?

[Uncle Jo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

[Vigilant111]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

oh come on now, wasn't much of an insult, it is too easy for me to stray into talking about IT in support for destroy option but I'd like to critique each option without biase

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

now now dreman9999 lets look at IT as the last resort to a credible ending

There other ways to fix the ending?

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

oh come on now, wasn't much of an insult, it is too easy for me to stray into talking about IT in support for destroy option but I'd like to critique each option without biase

Ok, you make your point but I only brought it up to point out a con for synthesis. Hech, we don't even know everything with starchild is real.

[Vigilant111]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

now now dreman9999 lets look at IT as the last resort to a credible ending

There other ways to fix the ending?

That's up to BW, I hope they will do the right thing and give everyone of us a satisfactory ending

[Uncle Jo]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

oh come on now, wasn't much of an insult, it is too easy for me to stray into talking about IT in support for destroy option but I'd like to critique each option without biase

As much as I do. I'm talking about the ending and Synthesis at face value, 'cause it's the theme of this thread.

But this "It spreads like a cancer anyway", from someone who tries to "act like a responsible God" by choosing Synthesis, is kinda...inappropriate.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

now now dreman9999 lets look at IT as the last resort to a credible ending

There other ways to fix the ending?

Yeah, they could rewrite the whole Priority: Earth mission, taking out the ludicrous ideas like, hm, the Catalyst, all its choices, all the consequences that come with it, its problem, and the stranding of the Normandy, and instead have something fitting, like Shepard and his team fighting an actual battle on Earth, showing your War Assets, defeating the Reapers with the Crucible without some random choice at the end, allowing Shepard to sacrifice herself, with actual epilogues that explain the results of all your decisions. 

Fans have done better jobs. 

[Vigilant111]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

oh come on now, wasn't much of an insult, it is too easy for me to stray into talking about IT in support for destroy option but I'd like to critique each option without biase

Ok, you make your point but I only brought it up to point out a con for synthesis. Hech, we don't even know everything with starchild is real.

True, but IT states clearly control/synthesis are illusions and tricks, critiqueing them objectively will have no meaning, the points I make go straight in emphasising why control/synthesis are not viable as options, well, at least compared to destroy option

[Vigilant111]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW:
I would prefer that IT is kept out of this thread. It spreads like a cancer anyway.

If you want to keep IT out of this thread, don't start to insult it, 'kay? Or you simply don't like the ones who thinks differently?

oh come on now, wasn't much of an insult, it is too easy for me to stray into talking about IT in support for destroy option but I'd like to critique each option without biase

As much as I do. I'm talking about the ending and Synthesis at face value, 'cause it's the theme of this thread.

But this "It spreads like a cancer anyway", from someone who tries to "act like a responsible God" by choosing Synthesis, is kinda...inappropriate.

The OP said so cos its a good theory and a lot of people respond to it, people will just keep using IT to harpoon non destroy options, and that's not the thread is about, like I said before, we should resort to IT last when all hope is gone

Modifié par Vigilant111, 23 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[Heeden]

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

DNA taken literally is made out of chemicals which are neither synthetic nor organic life-forms, there would be no way to make something that would replace DNA in our cells out of "synthetic and organic life".

We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

[antares_sublight]

Heeden wrote...
We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

Not just "galactic society" - ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

Thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms, destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

Modifié par antares_sublight, 23 mai 2012 - 04:08 .

[Vigilant111]

Heeden wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
How is Shepard supposed to interpret this then: "...add your energy to the crucible, everything u are will be absorbed and then sent out, the chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework, A NEW DNA."?

DNA taken literally is made out of chemicals which are neither synthetic nor organic life-forms, there would be no way to make something that would replace DNA in our cells out of "synthetic and organic life".

We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

cool insight, cos DNA is the signature of life form, still a lot of questions need to be answered though: whether these super beings can still reproduce, and fulfil parenthood? can they self repair? can they still adapt to new environments when they have reached end of evolution?

[Uncle Jo]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

God, please don't start with this. If there is anything that I'll never buy in the face valued ending, then it's the survival of Shep.
Don't bring the argument "Mass effect Shields protected Shepard from the explosion of the Citadel, an eventual re-entry in the atmosphere and the crash on Earth"...

It's called suspension if disbelif. It's no different from explosions in space.

It's simply take to the extreme here.

Okay, I'll talk about it just once, since it's off topic, and I'm feeling it's gonna start a war if we talk too much about it.
I agree that you must have a dose of suspension of disbelief, for example the Resurrection of Shep in ME2. But he had at least his helmet on and his armor and the gravity of the planet where he crashed (Alchera) was less than in the Earth. It's a bit far stretched, but it still can go without your mind going BSOD.

Now the destroy case (you can only survive if you reached the Highest EMS BTW, more than Synthesis and Control) and I won't speak about the Citadel's explosion...

-Shep previously wounded, has no armor, no shields, no helmet. Yet he takes the explosion of the crucible tank at point blank range, we see it clearly. How can he survive?
It doesn't require a suspension of disbelief anymore, it demands to simply stop thinking...

That's just my opinion tough...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 23 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[Heeden]

antares_sublight wrote...

Heeden wrote...
We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

Not just "galactic society" - ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

Thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms, destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

When chemicals combine to form DNA they are not destroyed, they fit together according to their nature until they reach a point where some bizarre force (the double-helix shape is formed through not-fuly-understood quantum mechanisms) reshapes them to something which - whilst maintaining all the original components - has unique properties and leads to a new level of existence.

[antares_sublight]

Heeden wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

Heeden wrote...
We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

Not just "galactic society" - ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

Thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms, destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

When chemicals combine to form DNA they are not destroyed, they fit together according to their nature until they reach a point where some bizarre force (the double-helix shape is formed through not-fuly-understood quantum mechanisms) reshapes them to something which - whilst maintaining all the original components - has unique properties and leads to a new level of existence.

Again, thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms,
destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

[Taboo]

antares_sublight wrote...

Heeden wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

Heeden wrote...
We will be the "chemicals" and the way we interact and fit together will be adjusted in to a new framework creating something analagous to DNA for galactic society which would be some sort of super-organism.

Not just "galactic society" - ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

Thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms, destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

When chemicals combine to form DNA they are not destroyed, they fit together according to their nature until they reach a point where some bizarre force (the double-helix shape is formed through not-fuly-understood quantum mechanisms) reshapes them to something which - whilst maintaining all the original components - has unique properties and leads to a new level of existence.

Again, thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms,
destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

He doesn't seem to understand that any change to the way it fits together CHANGES the organism.

[Heeden]

antares_sublight wrote...

Again, thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms,
destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.

Firstly you're assuming life has a purpose rather than simply being something that happens. Read what I said
again - no species will be destroyed, they will remain as they were and
keep all their properties. However they will find the best way to fit
with all other species that is right for their nature.

Taboo-XX wrote...

He doesn't seem to understand that any change to the way it fits together CHANGES the organism.

The galaxy as viewed as a super-organism does not really exist prior to Synthesis except as an ideal many species are blindly striving for.

Modifié par Heeden, 23 mai 2012 - 04:24 .