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[Ieldra]

And....all the old prejudices come to the fore. Technology is technology, regardless of its origin. What it does is important, not who made it.

Also, Synthesis is effected by the Crucible, which was built by several species to be compatible with the Citadel, so no, this stuff does not come from the Reapers.

[ATiBotka]

Steelcan wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

It's reaper tech.

"the essence of who you are" I challenge anyone here to tell me that causes synthesis and make it scientific. 

The OP of this thread himself says that it's crap.

You can't. 

Vitalism is crap.

. Vitalism is a key component of synthesis

I know. But I stll like Synthesis.

[DirtyPhoenix]

ATiBotka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

It's reaper tech.

"the essence of who you are" I challenge anyone here to tell me that causes synthesis and make it scientific. 

The OP of this thread himself says that it's crap.

You can't. 

Vitalism is crap.

. Vitalism is a key component of synthesis

I know. But I stll like Synthesis.

high five

[His Name was HYR!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So you feel no remorse over death if the person who dies doesn't agree with you?

How charmingly fascist.

(I'll remember this next time you try to call Synthesis/Control so terrible).

It's precisely because Synthesis is so terrible...
It's monstrous...

Wow. You still don't get it.

Wanting people censored/dead for having a different opinon is the stuff of fascism.

Can you say "Seig Heil" - ?

[ATiBotka]

pirate1802 wrote...

high five

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

So you feel no remorse over death if the person who dies doesn't agree with you?

How charmingly fascist.

(I'll remember this next time you try to call Synthesis/Control so terrible).

It's precisely because Synthesis is so terrible...
It's monstrous...

Wow. You still don't get it.

Wanting people censored/dead for having a different opinon is the stuff of fascism.

Can you say "Seig Heil" - ?

No, you don't get it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

[quote]darthnick427 wrote...

[quote]darthnick427 wrote...

I agree with most but I'm gonna half to disagree with a few.

Mordin I think would pick either Destroy or Refuse mainly because his conversation about culture and the collectors in ME2 "No digestive system replaced by tech, No nervous system replace by tech, no soul replaced by tech. Whever they were, gone forever. Understand now?" I think there would be far too many variables to consider in synthesis and would pick destroy.

I think Liara might pick destroy if romancing Shepard but I could see control happening too if not.

Legion I think would refuse tbh. His response to the catalyst would most likely be: "You offer to give us our future. We will achieve our own future."

Samara would pick destroy based off of this quote "Treat the reapers as you would any other enemy. Show them no mercy weakness or quarter."

I also think Thane would pick destroy as well.[/quote]

It would serve you well to read on after the posts you quote. I addressed pretty much all of this already.[/quote]

I'm aware. I'm just giving my two cents on the subject matter[/quote]


Synthesis doesn't replace organic systems, it merely adds a new one, letting organics integrate with technology.

Legion clearly no longer believes what he did in ME2. It was stupid anyway. He wised up in ME3.

Samara I covered.

Thane feels terribly enough for all the killing he's done, so I see him trying to do what saves the most people. And kill himself for the cause.

[mass perfection]

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

[Steelcan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And....all the old prejudices come to the fore. Technology is technology, regardless of its origin. What it does is important, not who made it.

Also, Synthesis is effected by the Crucible, which was built by several species to be compatible with the Citadel, so no, this stuff does not come from the Reapers.

. This assertion that technology is not evil s disproven by reaper indoctrination.  Reaper artifacts and technology indoctrinate anyone near them.

Synthesis needs the crucible for its power, Catalyst even says so himself.

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

It's reaper tech.

"the essence of who you are" I challenge anyone here to tell me that causes synthesis and make it scientific. 

The OP of this thread himself says that it's crap.

You can't. 

Vitalism is crap.

. Vitalism is a key component of synthesis

Vitalism = crap.

Vitalism is a key component to synthesis.

Therefore, synthesis (with the vitalism) is crap.

[Steelcan]

mass perfection wrote...

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

. It mans that the leviathans did not want to be turned into a reaper for some unfathomable reason

[Ieldra]

Also, yeah, Shepard's sacrifice makes no sense in the context of the Synthesis and that's why I have no compunction in making him come back. And yeah, Vitalism sucks. So what? It's bad writing using comic book-logic, that doesn't make the concept - and the ultimate outcome as shown in the epilogue - any less interesting.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 octobre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Samtheman63]

HYR 2.0 wrote...


Thane feels terribly enough for all the killing he's done, so I see him trying to do what saves the most people. And kill himself for the cause.

yeah.. destroy...

[mass perfection]

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

. It mans that the leviathans did not want to be turned into a reaper for some unfathomable reason

That's garbage.

[fiendishchicken]

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...


Thane feels terribly enough for all the killing he's done, so I see him trying to do what saves the most people. And kill himself for the cause.

yeah.. destroy...

He feels no guilt whatsoever.

What Thane did you have?

Did you even hear his entire speech in ME2 about how he was just the gun in his employers hands. He absolves himself through his prayers, yeah, but he's still pretty callous about the deaths of those who deserve it.

[Bill Casey]

Thane would definitely pick destroy and ask forgiveness...
It is what he is...

[Steelcan]

mass perfection wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

. It mans that the leviathans did not want to be turned into a reaper for some unfathomable reason

That's garbage.

. How? The catalyst's solution is turning organics into reapers.  The leviathans weren't keen on this.  Analyst didnt care and turned them into reapers.  Reapers are a synthesis of organic and inorganic.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Steelcan wrote...

That's exactly how nanides work, replay Sanctuary,

no u.

Nanides = rapid indoctrination, and affected organcis become husks.

You're begging the question. Why do synthesized organics appear so drastically different than husks?

as for the geth, I would have killed them over Rannoch if they weren't useful.

Changing the subject. Destroy is betraying them, no way around it.

And synthesis does destroy diversity "As the lines between organics and synthetics disappear".

No, just uniqueness -- synthetics are no longer unique, organics have acquired their special traits. Those traits are not gone, though. If they were, *that* would be destroying diversity (which is more what Destroy is doing, but not really since new ones will inevitably be rebuilt).

[Steelcan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Also, yeah, Shepard's sacrifice makes no sense in the context of the Synthesis and that's why I have compunction in making him come back. And yeah, Vitalism sucks. So what? It's bad writing using comic book-logic, that doesn't make the concept - and the ultimate outcome as shown in the epilogue - any less interesting.

. Vitalism is bad, but that isn't what makes synthesis bad to me.  I have other reasons for not liking it.

[mass perfection]

Bill Casey wrote...

Thane would definitely pick destroy and ask forgiveness...
It is what he is...

Agreed.If he chose Control,it'd be like him controlling his target.If he chose Synthesis,it'd be like doing what his target always wanted to do.

[mass perfection]

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

. It mans that the leviathans did not want to be turned into a reaper for some unfathomable reason

That's garbage.

. How? The catalyst's solution is turning organics into reapers.  The leviathans weren't keen on this.  Analyst didnt care and turned them into reapers.  Reapers are a synthesis of organic and inorganic.

I'm talking about them not being ready for Synthesis.

[Samtheman63]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...


Thane feels terribly enough for all the killing he's done, so I see him trying to do what saves the most people. And kill himself for the cause.

yeah.. destroy...

He feels no guilt whatsoever.

What Thane did you have?

Did you even hear his entire speech in ME2 about how he was just the gun in his employers hands. He absolves himself through his prayers, yeah, but he's still pretty callous about the deaths of those who deserve it.

so.. what are you saying? he wouldnt pick destroy?

[Steelcan]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
That's exactly how nanides work, replay Sanctuary,

no u.
Nanides = rapid indoctrination, and affected organcis become husks.
You're begging the question. Why do synthesized organics appear so drastically different than husks?

as for the geth, I would have killed them over Rannoch if they weren't useful.

Changing the subject. Destroy is betraying them, no way around it.

And synthesis does destroy diversity "As the lines between organics and synthetics disappear".

No, just uniqueness -- synthetics are no longer unique, organics have acquired their special traits. Those traits are not gone, though. If they were, *that* would be destroying diversity (which is more what Destroy is doing, but not really since new ones will inevitably be rebuilt).

. Synthesis seems to occur pretty rapidly.  Why do they look different? Husks and their ilk are dead when they are synthesized.  As for the geth, my point was I don't care about them,  I don't care if they die over Rannoch or over earth.  What is the difference between uniqueness and diversity?

[fiendishchicken]

Samtheman63 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...


Thane feels terribly enough for all the killing he's done, so I see him trying to do what saves the most people. And kill himself for the cause.

yeah.. destroy...

He feels no guilt whatsoever.

What Thane did you have?

Did you even hear his entire speech in ME2 about how he was just the gun in his employers hands. He absolves himself through his prayers, yeah, but he's still pretty callous about the deaths of those who deserve it.

so.. what are you saying? he wouldnt pick destroy?

No he would pick destroy. Thane is a bit of a mystery to me. He doesn't hate, as far as I can tell. He's too professional. That said, I believe he would destroy.

[Steelcan]

mass perfection wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What does it mean by "The organics were not ready"?

. It mans that the leviathans did not want to be turned into a reaper for some unfathomable reason

That's garbage.

. How? The catalyst's solution is turning organics into reapers.  The leviathans weren't keen on this.  Analyst didnt care and turned them into reapers.  Reapers are a synthesis of organic and inorganic.

I'm talking about them not being ready for Synthesis.

. "They resisted but there was no choice". Doesn't sound like they embraced it to me.