Vigilant111 wrote...
cool insight, cos DNA is the signature of life form, still a lot of questions need to be answered though: whether these super beings can still reproduce, and fulfil parenthood? can they self repair? can they still adapt to new environments when they have reached end of evolution?
Heeden wrote...
antares_sublight wrote...
Again, thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms,
destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.
Firstly you're assuming life has a purpose rather than simply being something that happens. Read what I said
again - no species will be destroyed, they will remain as they were and
keep all their properties. However they will find the best way to fit
with all other species that is right for their nature.Taboo-XX wrote...
He doesn't seem to understand that any change to the way it fits together CHANGES the organism.
The galaxy as viewed as a super-organism does not really exist prior to Synthesis except as an ideal many species are blindly striving for.
I've tried to explain it and failed. Utterly. It has something to do with the basic biological knowledge we're all supposed to have.Taboo-XX wrote...
Heeden wrote...
antares_sublight wrote...
Again, thereby completely altering the purpose of countless life forms,
destroying species and upending everything. In other words, total chaos.
Firstly you're assuming life has a purpose rather than simply being something that happens. Read what I said
again - no species will be destroyed, they will remain as they were and
keep all their properties. However they will find the best way to fit
with all other species that is right for their nature.Taboo-XX wrote...
He doesn't seem to understand that any change to the way it fits together CHANGES the organism.
The galaxy as viewed as a super-organism does not really exist prior to Synthesis except as an ideal many species are blindly striving for.
What are you talking about?
Are you suggesting we exist as one gigantic organism, all the same?
That's even more disgusting.
It seems I have taken too much part in plotting a certain ME fan fiction and I take too much for granted. Let me explain how I see it:Vigilant111 wrote...
cool insight, cos DNA is the signature of life form, still a lot of questions need to be answered though: whether these super beings can still reproduce, and fulfil parenthood? can they self repair? can they still adapt to new environments when they have reached end of evolution?
Uncle Jo wrote...
I've tried to explain it and failed. Utterly. It has something to do with the basic biological knowledge we're all supposed to have.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2012 - 04:40 .
Oh, he's not the only one by the way... It's very interesting to hear the reasons why people chose Synthesis or found it good.Taboo-XX wrote...
Uncle Jo wrote...
I've tried to explain it and failed. Utterly. It has something to do with the basic biological knowledge we're all supposed to have.
Does he understand that adding something to the DNA framework and keeping all the old bits is still a change?
That adding an "S" to "GTCA" will change the entirety of the being?
This is High School Biology people.
It just doesn't work that way.
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 23 mai 2012 - 04:41 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
@all:
I think Heeden's vision goes more into the direction of the "emerging noosphere" in the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin. Individuals stay individuals, and species stay species, but they also recognize themselves as part of a larger entity coalescing from the minds of all intelligent beings in the galaxy.
For those interested in it, I suggest reading the Galactic Milieu trilogy by Julian May, where this is part of the background and has some bearing on the story.
Ieldra2 wrote...
@all:
I think Heeden's vision goes more into the direction of the "emerging noosphere" in the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin. Individuals stay individuals, and species stay species, but they also recognize themselves as part of a larger entity coalescing from the minds of all intelligent beings in the galaxy.
For those interested in it, I suggest reading the Galactic Milieu trilogy by Julian May, where this is part of the background and has some bearing on the story.
@Taboo-X:
The flaw in your reasoning it that there is no "synthetic" gene. "Synthetic" is an attribute of a life form, not of a chemical compound, and whatever an additional gene encodes, it cannot make a life form synthetic because if comes into being through a process of differentiation controlled by a gene sequence, then it's an organic, regardless of whether it's made from carbon or silicon.
Yet again: there is no genetic rewrite. That is a metaphor.Taboo-XX wrote...
The ultimate transhumanist goal would be to upload to a network wouldn't it? To transcend your bodies?
Why would I........
This is so dumb it's not even funny.
You CANNOT simply add things to the DNA structure and not change the organism.
Even if you retain the original components the being still changes.
What the hell are we trying to achieve with Synthesis?
Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2012 - 04:52 .
Taboo-XX wrote...
There is no reason for the Catalyst to use the word DNA then, because it wouldn't fit the context of what Synthesis does.
I'm fairly certain EVERYONE would have understood, "It's just an upgrade".
Ieldra2 wrote...
Yet again: there is no genetic rewrite. That is a metaphor.Taboo-XX wrote...
The ultimate transhumanist goal would be to upload to a network wouldn't it? To transcend your bodies?
Why would I........
This is so dumb it's not even funny.
You CANNOT simply add things to the DNA structure and not change the organism.
Even if you retain the original components the being still changes.
What the hell are we trying to achieve with Synthesis?
As for uploading - no, that's not the ultimate transhumanist goal. Well, maybe for some, but I'm not one of those. I wouldn't mind a few upgrades, but I like my body, thank you very much. Besides, where did you get that association from? Nobody has mentioned it as a goal?
Heeden wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
There is no reason for the Catalyst to use the word DNA then, because it wouldn't fit the context of what Synthesis does.
DNA is the closest approximation we have to the concept.I'm fairly certain EVERYONE would have understood, "It's just an upgrade".
But it isn't just an upgrade, it is a whole new level of existence.
To put it extremely simply:Taboo-XX wrote...
There is no reason for the Catalyst to use the word DNA then, because it wouldn't fit the context of what Synthesis does.
I'm fairly certain EVERYONE would have understood, "It's just an upgrade".
Modifié par Uncle Jo, 23 mai 2012 - 04:53 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
Yet again: there is no genetic rewrite. That is a metaphor.Taboo-XX wrote...
The ultimate transhumanist goal would be to upload to a network wouldn't it? To transcend your bodies?
Why would I........
This is so dumb it's not even funny.
You CANNOT simply add things to the DNA structure and not change the organism.
Even if you retain the original components the being still changes.
What the hell are we trying to achieve with Synthesis?
As for uploading - no, that's not the ultimate transhumanist goal. Well, maybe for some, but I'm not one of those. I wouldn't mind a few upgrades, but I like my body, thank you very much. Besides, where did you get that association from? Nobody has mentioned it as a goal?
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 23 mai 2012 - 04:54 .
That's what was in the leaked script:Uncle Jo wrote...
To put it extremely simple:Taboo-XX wrote...
There is no reason for the Catalyst to use the word DNA then, because it wouldn't fit the context of what Synthesis does.
I'm fairly certain EVERYONE would have understood, "It's just an upgrade".
Synthesis=hybrid (new form of life, i.e organics with synthetic parts and synthetic with organic parts. Whatever what "part" could mean)
I'm I the only one to think like this?
Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2012 - 04:58 .
Taboo-XX wrote...
You are speculating.
By your approximation, you force everyone to do something without their consent. Why would you do that?
Heeden wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
You are speculating.
Based on what I've seen in-game it doesn't feel like speculation, more a logical conclusion based on conversations and events I've seen in-game. I will admit my perceptions were coloured by other space-operas that have had very obvious influences on ME.By your approximation, you force everyone to do something without their consent. Why would you do that?
Actually I didn't because I felt Synthesis was too much like up-lifting and I believed the the people of my cycle could reach that point on their own merits.
However I was looking at a situation which offered massive benefits but had some ethical dilemmas attatched to it. Of course the correct thing to do would be go out and consult everyone else, debate the matter, reach consensus and go the way agreed by the majority but I didn't have time. Ultimately I was the one at that place at that time, the decision was mine to make and I had just as much right to accept Synthesis as I had to refuse it.
Taboo-XX wrote...
The leaked script had things cut out, and as such should not be considered canon. When you edit something out, it is no longer a part of the story.
They can however, implement it.
In an early draft it made us one with the Reapers.
How does that sit with everyone?
Ieldra2 wrote...
C: You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
C: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
C: We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
S: So we'll just... go on living, together?
C: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down.
C: The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life.
This inspired my interpretation. If I could ask the writers one question with a guaranteed answer, it would be this: why did you replace things that make sense with complete nonsense that anyone who wants to make sense of Synthesis needs to ignore?
Subguy614 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
The leaked script had things cut out, and as such should not be considered canon. When you edit something out, it is no longer a part of the story.
They can however, implement it.
In an early draft it made us one with the Reapers.
How does that sit with everyone?
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
Heeden wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
C: You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
C: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
C: We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
S: So we'll just... go on living, together?
C: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down.
C: The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life.
This inspired my interpretation. If I could ask the writers one question with a guaranteed answer, it would be this: why did you replace things that make sense with complete nonsense that anyone who wants to make sense of Synthesis needs to ignore?
That works for me too, organics gain the ability to live as a consensus like the geth, synthetics get the abilty to "live" like we do (by live I'm referring to the changes in Legion when he begins referring to himself as "I"or EDI when she gives her little speach about Shepard making her "feel alive").
"...a path you have already started down."
The aforementione changes in AI and the Zhu's Hope colonists post-Thorian.
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 23 mai 2012 - 05:11 .
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