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[DirtyPhoenix]

The catalyst specifically mentions culture too...

[ghost9191]

pirate1802 wrote...

The catalyst specifically mentions culture too...

eh idk pirate, i think you are hearing things. almost like you are indoctrinated :innocent:

watched the whole ending conversation and it just said , knowledge and body. oh and creations

nice having conversation about the ending choices without ht ehate though . which is why i am still hear. interesting to get a new perspective or whatever. though i do find it easier to jsut shoot the damn tube

Modifié par ghost9191, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:42 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I'm pretty sure I heard culture, but that was a long time ago.. confirmation Ieldra2?

And no I'm not indoctrinated, just ran the test :|

[Steelcan]

That's why I'm here. I don't need to reaffirm my belief in destroy. I'm looking for perspectives on the other endings

[Ieldra]

ghost9191 wrote...
no i got that , i meant the culture and knowledge part.

That's from ME3, Extended Cut.

"We harvest your bodies, your knowledge, your creations." And in the following sentence, it is indeed described as a rebirth. But it has always remained unclear what exactly of the Reaperized species remained. The truth lies somewhere between Legion's statements, which implies that individual minds might continue to exist, and the Catalyst's, who implies it's a complete rebirth. 

Edit:
But whatever it is, if enough remains of the old species to justify the Reaper as an "ascended and reborn" form of it, then it is not plausible that all Reapers would support the cycle willingly. That's where the "mind control" hypothesis comes from.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 octobre 2012 - 05:58 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Steelcan wrote...

That's why I'm here. I don't need to reaffirm my belief in destroy. I'm looking for perspectives on the other endings

Hope you might learn something:)

[DirtyPhoenix]

Oh so the catalyst indeed doesn't mention culture. Maybe I really was hearing things. (mild indoctrination maybe) Still, its implied by that Legion statement.

[Steelcan]

pirate1802 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

That's why I'm here. I don't need to reaffirm my belief in destroy. I'm looking for perspectives on the other endings

Hope you might learn something:)

. It might just happen

[Ieldra]

@Steelcan:
I've always said that all three main endings are good endings, each valid in its own way, depending on your philosophy and your interpretation of the themes of the story. I don't expect to "convert" anyone to Synthesis, but it would be nice if more people could accept it as valid. There's that slight little difference between "I could never choose Synthesis, I wouldn't change all life in the galaxy" and "go away, you're indoctrinated".

[ghost9191]

yeah i was talking bout both. they upload but they aren't who they once were. be kinda traumatic as i said. going through that .

like i just always figured it liek the collectors. they couldn't upload the protheans or whatever so they did that. preserving their bodies and such . but they aren't the same minds. pretty sure they are basically vi, but they had no culture anymore. just husks of what they once were. i mean they create new minds through the upload. reborn but who that person was is dead. to me. what that species was is gone , twisted if you will .

but you might get the knowledge and such , and i didn't put too much thought into what the reapers are . as ash said "i don't really care what the reapers are or where they're from, they're monsters that need to be put down" so just mean i didn't look too much into it . they are what they are .

but have been trying to figure out why i dislike the synthesis option,. just get a weird feeling with it. pretty sure it is the change and what not. that and letting the reapers walk around . i don't think that would go over well with alot of ppl . and well it takes way more time then what you are given to figure out synthesis. and you don't get much from the catalyst . so it is not my choice without metagame , or with lol

not much info to go on and such . destroy is simple. blows up the bad guys , and maybe the geth, unknown about that. control is a bit iffy, you die but get uploaded ( which is kinda what i think they mean by reborn when uploaded to a reaper, you die but your knowledge and what not goes on , but still die ) and control the reapers for good or evil. which "the path to hell is paved with good intentions", you could try doing good but a force used to protect peace won't work until you use it once, or something. but synthesis requires a lot of thought

wording might have sucked but kept adding to the post lol

synthesis is a choice but don't think it is mine. prefer renegade control over synthesis , but destroy is top lol

Modifié par ghost9191, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:18 .

[Steelcan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Steelcan:
I've always said that all three main endings are good endings, each valid in its own way, depending on your philosophy and your interpretation of the themes of the story. I don't expect to "convert" anyone to Synthesis, but it would be nice if more people could accept it as valid. There's that slight little difference between "I could never choose Synthesis, I wouldn't change all life in the galaxy" and "go away, you're indoctrinated".

. I can appreciate that.

[fiendishchicken]

pirate1802 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

That's why I'm here. I don't need to reaffirm my belief in destroy. I'm looking for perspectives on the other endings

Hope you might learn something:)

To that end I'm a destroyer and I'm here too for the same reason.

Control, I can completely see and understand, but it's still not right.

I haven't heard or seen anything that doesn't generate disgust and abhorrence in me from synthesis.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 30 octobre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Seival]

Not sure if anyone posted this picture here before (found it today):

http://t3.gstatic.co...9Z-3QrWWJ-gYudw

[Ieldra]

Hmm...nice. Is there a bigger version? I can't read what's printed under the name. And who is supposed to say those words?

[Seival]

I'm trying to find the full-scale version of the image. It's somewhere on BSN.

[Purge the heathens]

Synthesis reminds me of transcendence victory from Alpha Centauri. Always went for that one.

Anyway, concerning the Reaper mind, perhaps it's a bit like the Antilin ghost ship. There's a virtual reality inside each Reaper where life goes on as if nothing had happened. Each Reaper's "outward" personality, then, is modeled after an exemplary individual of its species which might explain why Harbinger has the hots for Shepard.

[Steelcan]

I don't know if you guys would agree with this but I remember seeing someone post that Destroy was a pro organic choice, control was a pro synthetic choice, and synthesis was a pro reaper choice. Food for thought

[fiendishchicken]

My whole opinion on the endings for the most part is that you meet 'the final boss' and he tells you to basically commit suicide to solve a problem I had no intention of solving (organic vs. synthetic). That got shoehorned into being the 'theme' of the trilogy, when in my opinion, that theme was concluded one way or the other after Rannoch.
No, I think the problem is with the glowstick, not us. That's why he and his Reaper buddies can burn in hell.

I'd rather the Reapers just be the space monsters that they are and kill them. So much simpler. You can have them be complex, and always question their true motives (I am a fan of that kind of speculation), but they were made into something they didn't need to be made into.

I don't want to play the whole trilogy being pretty much told to defeat the Reapers only to learn in the last 10 minutes that they were 'just misunderstood' and 'just as much a victim as everyone else'and that 'they were only doing what they were made to do' and that they are only trying to solve that problem.

That's why all of that is one big-ass copout.

The way I wanted the trilogy to end for me was to have my Shepard standing victorious over the remains of all the dead Reapers.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 31 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

My whole opinion on the endings for the most part is that you meet 'the final boss' and he tells you to basically commit suicide to solve a problem I had no intention of solving (organic vs. synthetic). That got shoehorned into being the 'theme' of the trilogy, when in my opinion, that theme was concluded one way or the other after Rannoch.
No, I think the problem is with the glowstick, not us. That's why he and his Reaper buddies can burn in hell.
I'd rather the Reapers just be the space monsters that they are and kill them. So much simpler. You can have them be complex, and always question their true motives (I am a fan of that kind of speculation), but they were made into something they didn't need to be made into.
I don't want to play the whole trilogy being pretty much told to defeat the Reapers only to learn in the last 10 minutes that they were 'just misunderstood' and 'just as much a victim as everyone else'and that 'they were only doing what they were made to do' and that they are only trying to solve that problem.
That's why all of that is one big-ass copout.
The way I wanted the trilogy to end for me was to have my Shepard standing victorious over the remains of all the dead Reapers.

. That's why some aspects of IT are nice. IT-Con more than regular IT which is mostly just insanity mixed with desperation

[CosmicGnosis]

Steelcan wrote...

That's why some aspects of IT are nice. IT-Con more than regular IT which is mostly just insanity mixed with desperation

What does the Con in IT-Con stand for?

[Steelcan]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

That's why some aspects of IT are nice. IT-Con more than regular IT which is mostly just insanity mixed with desperation

What does the Con in IT-Con stand for?

. Con as in a con job, think White Collar.  Basically it says that the endings and such all appear in real life, no dream theory.  It says that the Catalyst is using indoctrination to turn Shepard towards picking control or synthesis because these options keep the reapers, and more importantly the catalyst alive.

the catalyst is presenting Shepard the options, just trying to influence his opinion.

[fiendishchicken]

Yeah. I always feel the glowstick is pushing me to synthesis. Not really control so much. It wants me to find a new solution; specifically synthesis.I don't think it really believes destroy is a solution. It's just telling me that it's possible.

As far as I'm concerned, the organic/synthetic problem is the lightbulbs problem. My problem is the Reapers. And Destroy is the only option that solves that problem.

Be damned if I care about what the ****head has to say about the truth or whatever. My Shepard quite frankly, doesn't care. The annihilation of the Reapers is all he wants.

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Yeah. I always feel the glowstick is pushing me to synthesis. Not really control so much. It wants me to find a new solution; specifically synthesis.I don't think it really believes destroy is a solution. It's just telling me that it's possible.

As far as I'm concerned, the organic/synthetic problem is the lightbulbs problem. My problem is the Reapers. And Destroy is the only option that solves that problem.

Be damned if I care about what the ****head has to say about the truth or whatever. My Shepard quite frankly, doesn't care. The annihilation of the Reapers is all he wants.

. "Yes let the hate flow through you".  But in all seriousness I have numerous reasons for destroy.  Foremost amount them, the Catalyst is wrong, and his problem doesn't exist

[Steelcan]

Question about Synthesis.

Do you think Shepard's sacrifice is only there for emotional impact, or does it serve another purpose?

[Ieldra]

Purge the heathens wrote...
Synthesis reminds me of transcendence victory from Alpha Centauri. Always went for that one.

LOL. Have you read the OP? I quoted SMAC's transcendence ending at the top...