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[Hanako Ikezawa]

CosmicGnosis wrote...
I would like to hear this. I'm open to all interpretations.

Yeah for openmindedness! *raises hand for a high five*

[CosmicGnosis]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...
I would like to hear this. I'm open to all interpretations.

Yeah for openmindedness! *raises hand for a high five*

*High fives*

[fiendishchicken]

jtav wrote...

clen, get out. You have a very active IT thread you can post in. I would like to have one thread where I am not harassed and hounded because you're bitter. I have my happy ending and I am tired of you doing everything you can to ruin it.

Because it's not happy?

[fiendishchicken]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

(Had to change computers)

clennon8 wrote...

It's quite bizarre that people would cling so tenaciously to the theory that Bioware suddenly forgot everything about Mass Effect, eschewed every lesson they had taught, and abandoned every theme they had nurtured for the first 99% of the narrative.

Because the ending tells us that not everything is the way we thought they were (hence the "Matrix" thing in Mac's notes). It's not like we knew squat about the Reapers to begin with, only vague ideas. In that, the 99% does still hold.

Which again brings me to denial, which is what's going on when people refuse to accept 100%, just the 99 they liked.

It isn't that Bioware "forgot" everything, so much as casey hudson went on a power trip and SuperMac.... did what supermac did.



In essence, they didn't forget, they just said **** it to the established universe for the art. We destroyers just don't get it.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[Ieldra]

CosmicGnosis wrote...
For Synthesis supporters: What do you think the central theme of Synthesis is? Basically, after playing through the whole trilogy and experiencing the galaxy and the Reaper conflict, what are you saying when you choose Synthesis?

There are several themes, not all of which I like. The ones that make me choose Synthesis are these:

(1) The prospect of ascension, of overcoming fundamental limitations of the human condition. Of course, as others have pointed out, that's not impossible in the other endings, but only Synthesis has it as a theme.

(2) Embracing the unknown, the idea that to advance, at some point we'll have to leave something of ourselves behind and take something "other" in. Pacifien said it best in her post on page 123:

Pacifien wrote (page 123)
I always liked Synthesis because it touches on the concept of technological singularity, which is about an evolutionary step that pushes a civilization beyond the point of our understanding: embracing the unknown.

And I think that's what most people fear, if you see someone pushed beyond your understanding, you feel that person isn't who they are anymore and everything that person was essentially "dies" to you. So you hold back because you don't want to lose that person. But the truth is, you simply don't know.

And I've seen the counterargument that if you haven't fundamentally changed someone through Synthesis, then somehow you've given them great power by breaking their free will/augmented them with synthetics. But that itself is dictating your actions with fear. Because again, you don't *know*.

And if that fear holds you back, then no, Synthesis is not going to be for you.

Also by ShaigunJoe on page 85:

Naturally, [Lovecraft] being a bit of a coward, he did not include a third choice. Step into the unknown, embrace the change, merge old ideas with new and keep pushing the boundries of knowledge, afterall, this is how we learn
anyway.

And in the end, there are also the Reapers. I don't know how to express that as a theme, but it's basically what jtav said on the previous page: with all the revelations about their nature, they are valid life, and while I could easily justify destroying them, I really don't want to unless I must (see also theme (2) above). Synthesis doesn't appear to to any actual harm to people so I can justify it - in these specific circumstances.

Edit:
Having said that, I should admit that I didn't expect an ending option where the Reapers would continue to exist before reading the leaked script. I had hoped for a means to "embrace the unknown" by using their technology and knowledge for a radical step in advancement, that's all.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[CosmicGnosis]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...
For Synthesis supporters: What do you think the central theme of Synthesis is? Basically, after playing through the whole trilogy and experiencing the galaxy and the Reaper conflict, what are you saying when you choose Synthesis?

There are several themes, not all of which I like. The ones that make me choose Synthesis are these:

(1) The prospect of ascension, of overcoming fundamental limitations of the human condition. Of course, as others have pointed out, that's not impossible in the other endings, but only Synthesis has it as a theme.

(2) Embracing the unknown, the idea that to advance, at some point we'll have to leave something of ourselves behind and take something "other" in.  Pacifien said it best in her post on page 123:

Pacifien wrote (page 123)
I always liked Synthesis because it touches on the concept of technological singularity, which is about an evolutionary step that pushes a civilization beyond the point of our understanding: embracing the unknown.

And I think that's what most people fear, if you see someone pushed beyond your understanding, you feel that person isn't who they are anymore and everything that person was essentially "dies" to you. So you hold back because you don't want to lose that person. But the truth is, you simply don't know.

And I've seen the counterargument that if you haven't fundamentally changed someone through Synthesis, then somehow you've given them great power by breaking their free will/augmented them with synthetics. But that itself is dictating your actions with fear. Because again, you don't *know*.

And if that fear holds you back, then no, Synthesis is not going to be for you.

Also by ShaigunJoe on page 85:

Naturally, [Lovecraft] being a bit of a coward, he did not include a third choice. Step into the unknown, embrace the change, merge old ideas with new and keep pushing the boundries of knowledge, afterall, this is how we learn
anyway.

Yeah, when I combine MyChemicalBromance's thread with yours, Synthesis starts becoming a lot easier to swallow. I'm seriously considering making it my canon choice... all over again. We'll see. I have to think about this. Control has gotten iffy for me because I forgot to address certain problems. I don't want to make the same mistake with Synthesis.

[Isichar]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Yeah, when I combine MyChemicalBromance's thread with yours, Synthesis starts becoming a lot easier to swallow. I'm seriously considering making it my canon choice... all over again. We'll see. I have to think about this. Control has gotten iffy for me because I forgot to address certain problems. I don't want to make the same mistake with Synthesis.

Thats just because Ieldra is really good at defending Synthesis. In terms of choosing the best ending I think it comes down to what you wanted from the series and what your Shepard was fighting for, if you keep trying to figure out which was the "best" ending you probably wont ever find one that is perfect for you.

Modifié par Isichar, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Ieldra]

@CosmicGnosis:
Yeah, it's not an easy choice. My main maleShep chooses Synthesis and my main femShep chooses Control. That's rather indicative of my being drawn to Synthesis thematically, but to Control pragmatically.

@Isichar:
I think CG means "the best for him", not the best in any objective sense, which doesn't exist. You're right - we should choose our ending based on what we want to take away from the story and how we envisioned our Shepards. I still have to play ME3 with my ultra-Renegade femShep who'll end up as some kind of dark empress of the galaxy. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[Eterna]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Yeah, when I combine MyChemicalBromance's thread with yours, Synthesis starts becoming a lot easier to swallow. I'm seriously considering making it my canon choice... all over again. We'll see. I have to think about this. Control has gotten iffy for me because I forgot to address certain problems. I don't want to make the same mistake with Synthesis.

You aren't going to find an ending choice without problems. That's why the choice is hard. Instead of trying to find which one is the most perfect (which is futile) you should instead be thinking about what negative you're willing to embrace to ensure peace. 

[Hey]

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

[Ieldra]

Festae9 wrote...
What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

There are infinite possibilities....LOL. I can see no reason why Synthesis should do away with sex, and my Shepard certainly would not choose it if he believed that. Integrating technology doesn't mean that your body doesn't work like it did before.

As for being necessary, as reproductive technology advances, sex becomes less necessary for reproduction. You don't need Synthesis for that. I have no idea where this development will end, and it's not a topic for this thread I think, but I'm pretty sure people will still have sex in 10000 years. If humans still exist then.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 novembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[Eterna]

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

[inko1nsiderate]

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

I assume everyone can have crazy Asari sex (the way it is described by Grayson in the books).

[Hey]

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

not talking about utilitarian sex, yo.  talking about this is an 'out of my ****ing mind O'.  Does that even matter anymore?  Once synthetics and organics start to become 1 in time I'm guessing stamina, pleasure etc would be throuh the roof.  Or maybe sex for pleasure isn't desired anymore...  Just worries me.  Same for music.  More so for music...

[Eterna]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

I assume everyone can have crazy Asari sex (the way it is described by Grayson in the books).

"Hay baby, lets say you and I head back to my apartment so I can plug my USB cord into your hardrive. Don't worry, I brought protection. Got my anti spyware disk in my pockett."

Modifié par Eterna5, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:03 .

[inko1nsiderate]

Festae9 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

not talking about utilitarian sex, yo.  talking about this is an 'out of my ****ing mind O'.  Does that even matter anymore?  Once synthetics and organics start to become 1 in time I'm guessing stamina, pleasure etc would be throuh the roof.  Or maybe sex for pleasure isn't desired anymore...  Just worries me.  Same for music.  More so for music...

I'm thinking it becomes mostly dubstep, or dubstep subgenres.  I already live in that world, so I welcome synthesis.  Don't get mad because I have horrible musical taste .

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Isichar]

If anything the upgrades only enhance the sex. We could probably have the Ipods in our heads playing the music of our choice well we get down and dirty.

Modifié par Isichar, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Ieldra]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

I assume everyone can have crazy Asari sex (the way it is described by Grayson in the books).

I don't recall how it was described, but since in my Synthesis headcanon, people get the ability for mental networking, that opens a lot of new possibilities, like experiencing what the other is feeling while at it. The feedback loops could result in something truly mind-blowing. On the downside, people might get addicted. And faking it won't work any more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[Hey]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

not talking about utilitarian sex, yo.  talking about this is an 'out of my ****ing mind O'.  Does that even matter anymore?  Once synthetics and organics start to become 1 in time I'm guessing stamina, pleasure etc would be throuh the roof.  Or maybe sex for pleasure isn't desired anymore...  Just worries me.  Same for music.  More so for music...

I'm thinking it becomes mostly dubstep, or dubstep subgenres.  I already live in that world, so I welcome synthesis.  Don't get mad because I have horrible musical taste .

LOL

can you imagine?  Dubsteb would be a crazy time signature to make sweet love to.

still laughing tho... 

[Hey]

Ieldra2 wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

I assume everyone can have crazy Asari sex (the way it is described by Grayson in the books).

I don't recall how it was described, but since in my Synthesis headcanon, people get the ability for mental networking, that opens a lot of new possibilities, like experiencing what the other is feeling while at it. The feedback loops could result in something truly mind-blowing. On the downside, people might get addicted.

alright, so you totally got my attention here...  I may doa  synthesised playthru keeping this in mind! 

[Isichar]

Festae9 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

What's everyones take on sex post synthesis? I'm thinking it could either be unbeliveable or maybe unnecessary?,,,

Organic bodies still work the same in Synthesis. Reproduction is still necessary. 

I assume everyone can have crazy Asari sex (the way it is described by Grayson in the books).

I don't recall how it was described, but since in my Synthesis headcanon, people get the ability for mental networking, that opens a lot of new possibilities, like experiencing what the other is feeling while at it. The feedback loops could result in something truly mind-blowing. On the downside, people might get addicted.

alright, so you totally got my attention here...  I may doa  synthesised playthru keeping this in mind! 

daaamn synthesis is really starting to look A LOT better now isnt it

Who knows I may change my canon ending too

Modifié par Isichar, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[Ieldra]

Great. Now how sex is affected will determine whether people choose Synthesis or not *chuckles*. So much for our priorities. ROFL....

....not that this isn't a serious consideration for me as well *cough*.

[CosmicGnosis]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Great. Now how sex is affected will determine whether people choose Synthesis or not *chuckles*. So much for our priorities. ROFL....

....not that this isn't a serious consideration for me as well *cough*.

Damn it, Ieldra. This is what you should have said all along! "The sex will be amazing!":o:o:o

[Isichar]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Great. Now how sex is affected will determine whether people choose Synthesis or not *chuckles*. So much for our priorities. ROFL....

....not that this isn't a serious consideration for me as well *cough*.

Damn it, Ieldra. This is what you should have said all along! "The sex will be amazing!":o:o:o

It should be the top argument in the original post IMO.

[Hey]

Isichar wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Great. Now how sex is affected will determine whether people choose Synthesis or not *chuckles*. So much for our priorities. ROFL....

....not that this isn't a serious consideration for me as well *cough*.

Damn it, Ieldra. This is what you should have said all along! "The sex will be amazing!":o:o:o

It should be the top argument in the original post IMO.

lol.  word..