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[Taboo]

Guys. Guys. Only Shepard can activate Synthesis.

He's the only being in the galaxy special enough for it!

No one else has enough Soul Energy!

[His Name was HYR!!]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Guys. Guys. Only Shepard can activate Synthesis.

He's the only being in the galaxy special enough for it!

No one else has enough Soul Energy!

It's not "Soul Energy." It's the Crucible taking a scan of his body.

That way, it has a template to for the synthesizing everyone else.

It's all lucid. :happy:

[ghost9191]

which is pretty much what i said. shep would probably be the only one to get synthesis. hell the only one to side with both geth and qurians , even the crew is iffy on the geth, know garrus is for sure

love turians

[Vigilant111]

So Shepard is the galactic father / mother now?

The ego...

[ghost9191]

1) s/he is a anomaly

2) shep is a F*cking god . well according to some

shep sees differently . understands more. as said most of the galaxy see the geth as threats, nothing more. which grant it they are but still . doubt anyone would give them the chance

Modifié par ghost9191, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[Steelcan]

Shepard is Space Jesus, plus killing, lots of killing

[Ieldra]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Guys. Guys. Only Shepard can activate Synthesis.

He's the only being in the galaxy special enough for it!

No one else has enough Soul Energy!

It's not "Soul Energy." It's the Crucible taking a scan of his body.

That way, it has a template to for the synthesizing everyone else.

It's all lucid. :happy:

You have to admit that the phrasing is rather suggestive of what Taboo said. I could rant about Mac Walters' cavalier attitude to science until the end of days. And I will as long as this forum section exists.

Also, it can't be a scan of his body, because that wouldn't need to destroy Shepard. The Crucible would need just a sample. That's why I suggested the contents of Shepard's mind make Synthesis what it is, within certain limits. I can rationalize that the Crucible's technology is too primitive to do a non-destructive mind scan. Barely.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:20 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You have to admit that the phrasing is rather suggestive of what Taboo said. I could rant about Mac Walters' cavalier attitude to science until the end of days. And I will as long as this forum section exists.

Also, it can't be a scan of his body, because that wouldn't need to destroy Shepard. The Crucible would need just a sample. That's why I suggested the contents of Shepard's mind make Synthesis what it is, within certain limits. I can rationalize that the Crucible's technology is too primitive to do a non-destructive mind scan. Barely.

That's actually the impression I got from the phrasing, that the Crucible needs to "read" him to figure out how to bring synthesis about safely, since he is basically a living example of it (and the best one we've seen thus far in the trilogy).

But you're right, the mental gymnastics necessary to make sense of the beam thing is off-the-charts. I'm not saying my explanation is sound, or even serious (hence the emoticon). But I did interpret it that way, both times that I heard it.

[fiendishchicken]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Guys. Guys. Only Shepard can activate Synthesis.

He's the only being in the galaxy special enough for it!

No one else has enough Soul Energy!

It's not "Soul Energy." It's the Crucible taking a scan of his body.

That way, it has a template to for the synthesizing everyone else.

It's all lucid. :happy:

It is soul energy.

"The essence of who you are" 

It's not scientific in any way. It basically amounts to chi.

[Ieldra]

We are interpreting it in the context of an SF universe, whatever nonsense Mac Walters may have had in his head when he wrote this.

[fiendishchicken]

Ieldra2 wrote...

We are interpreting it in the context of an SF universe, whatever nonsense Mac Walters may have had in his head when he wrote this.

Well fine and dandy, except that it is not the way it is. What is depicted in the game is the true and final way. And the true and final way for synthesis is the Mac Walters way. And as you say, the Mac Walters is nonsense. 

[Ieldra]

Yeah, yeah, yet another attempt to make things look bad by insisting we should take everything 100% literally. If there were no space for interpretation, none of the ending discussion threads would exist. The exposition only *suggests* a certain stance on things, and if that makes no sense in the context of the fictional universe it can't be the literal truth.

It's a matter of in-world logic overriding obvious nonsense. Over time, the ME universe has acquired weight as an SF universe, and even the lead writer can't go against that and expect the nonsense to be accepted as literal truth. Also, it's rather possible that this phrasing was used intentionally to avoid having to give any hard specifics on the workings of the Crucible.

[fiendishchicken]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, yeah, yet another attempt to make things look bad by insisting we should take everything 100% literally. If there were no space for interpretation, none of the ending discussion threads would exist. The exposition only *suggests* a certain stance on things, and if that makes no sense in the context of the fictional universe it can't be the literal truth.

It's a matter of in-world logic overriding obvious nonsense. Over time, the ME universe has acquired weight as an SF universe, and even the lead writer can't go against that and expect the nonsense to be accepted as literal truth. Also, it's rather possible that this phrasing was used intentionally to avoid having to give any hard specifics on the workings of the Crucible.

Well what we're given in game is 100% canon. And the 100% canon for synthesis involves life energy, or chi, or vitalism, or mystic crap, or whatever you want to call it. And that is 100% not science. Since this is a big part of synthesis, it means synthesis is 100% crap as shown in the game.

Just saying. 

[ghost9191]

think that can be said for most of the endings. . it doesn't really say how the beam can target geth software . , edi is understandable but geth are not built the same. control is just like what . well that is a bit more easy to explain. shep dies, copy is made , in turn creating a ai

[His Name was HYR!!]

Yeah, Control is the only one that is not too far-fetched in nature.

[fiendishchicken]

Destroy (High EMS) is essentially a very big EMP pulse.

How is that far-fetched?

Low EMS is one big fireball.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:12 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Destroy (High EMS) is essentially a very big EMP pulse.

How is that far-fetched?

Because it conveniently misses things like ships and synthetic implants.

[ghost9191]

not so much far fetched. more just how does it affect the geth, one you would think they would be prepared for something like that. edi is understandable. with her blue box and what not. but eh geth are software. hardware could be affected but how would it affect them.

in ME2 legion was "incapacitated" and was able to be revived i guess lol. can the same not be done for them in destroy ending:? same as vi's . edi as said , it would pretty much reset her personality . but would it do the same to the geth . and they were vague on that with destroy. . but it may reset their personalities also. idk . and then there is the rubble seen with shep living i guess. even though s/he is partly synthetic.

destroy is a wmd . just wish i know more about how it works lol . why it couldn't be more focused

or something . but contorl is some what easier to explain. as said it just control takes less explaining . to me at least . still wondering how the uploadidng of a mind works , memories at least but still


edit: or simply put what HYR said; just seems if it was something like that it wouldn't have the same affect . but what we know of the geth changes when they do the upload i guess

Modifié par ghost9191, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:44 .

[ghost9191]

that is what i like to think. but that is more head canon than canon

[Dr_Extrem]

ghost9191 wrote...

think that can be said for most of the endings. . it doesn't really say how the beam can target geth software . , edi is understandable but geth are not built the same. control is just like what . well that is a bit more easy to explain. shep dies, copy is made , in turn creating a ai

why is it understandable for edi? .. edi just "posesses" dr. evas body - it is remotly controled by the ai, that is stored in the quantum bluebox on the normandy.
or are you refering to the bluebox itself? edi is basicly still a program - only the little variations inside the bluebox gives her a unique edge.


in destroy, reaper tech (its special hardware or moreso program code) is targeted by the impulse not technology itself. edi is basicly the luna-vi from the first mass effect, it was enhanced by fragments of sovereign, who rained down on the citadel. (this is explained during the cerberus headquarter misssion)
the geth were updated by legion on rannoch. they used reaper code, to enhance themselves. in fact, a part of edi and the geth is reaper. edi did not function without reaper tech btw.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 03 novembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...


Well it was programmed to target Reaper tech so I fail to see how it is far-fetched.

That would be the logical explanation, but it's never stated anywhere in-game.

[Dr_Extrem]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...


Well it was programmed to target Reaper tech so I fail to see how it is far-fetched.

That would be the logical explanation, but it's never stated anywhere in-game.

you are right that it was not explained (big flaw imo) - but evidence, fits theory.