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Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 février 2013 - 09:24 .
Do you really think this will approach being representative in any way? There aren't that many possible contributors left here.Restrider wrote...
I am doing a survey on the first playthrough choice, your age and sex.
Here is the link.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 février 2013 - 06:32 .
Modifié par HJF4, 19 février 2013 - 08:19 .
You forget one thing: The Reapers are the conjoined minds of the harvested species. If there is any truth to the Catalyst's claim that each Reaper is an ascended form of a species, then each Reaper should have a mind and motivations reminiscent of the species it was made from. It's actually harder to explain why they would help with the Catalyst's cycle. I have speculated their will has been subverted by the Catalyst in a process similar to indoctrination, and that Synthesis frees them from that mind-control. If that's the case, I don't see it as implausible that they might help the civilizations responsible for releasing them from a billion years of slavery, being forced to do to others what was done to their constituent species.HJF4 wrote...
I have a question. Why would the reapers bother helping the lifeforms that they had once tried to devour? I know they would have no reason to be violent (because purely organic life never longer exists), but they would have no reason I can tell to actively help other life. They were created to protect organic life from synthetic life, and neither of those types exist separately anymore.
Well, if they can choose to go against their original programming (which had nothing to do with helping as they do in the ending), could they not then also choose to be violent or otherwise harmful just as well as they could choose to help or choose to fly off? Assuming that the reapers retain their individual characteristics as the OP seems to state, the reapers would likely still be immensely powerful.You could assume that the reapers are now free from their programming,
and are able to help out if they wish to. Others might just fly off
into the night somewhere.
Modifié par HJF4, 19 février 2013 - 08:23 .
I see that we are in full agreementruggly wrote...
I think it does bring about an Age of Enlightenment, but I stand by how much I hate about how it is implemented.
Ieldra2 wrote...
I see that we are in full agreementruggly wrote...
I think it does bring about an Age of Enlightenment, but I stand by how much I hate about how it is implemented.
Then, if we were to judge based upon the appearance of most the reapers seen in the games, most reapers are of the "Leviathan" variety (you said "a" species), a species that if I recall correctly tended towards enslaving other species/civilizations (even having their own biological abilities to do so). So then, if we were to base on the physical appearance of the numbers seen in game, most reapers would have been created from peoples of that culture of domination (motivated to dominate/manipulate/control). Given that, why would we assume that only a "one or two"(ruggly said) would be violent/hostile?Ieldra2 wrote...
You forget one thing: The Reapers are the conjoined minds of the harvested species. If there is any truth to the Catalyst's claim that each Reaper is an ascended form of a species, then each Reaper should have a mind and motivations reminiscent of the species it was made from.
It's actually harder to explain why they would help with the Catalyst's
cycle. I have speculated their will has been subverted by the Catalyst
in a process similar to indoctrination, and that Synthesis frees them
from that mind-control. If that's the case, I don't see it as
implausible that they might help the civilizations responsible for
releasing them from a billion years of slavery, being forced to do to
others what was done to their constituent species.
Also, I
should mention that I don't think all will help. Some will go off to do
their own thing, a few might even be actively hostile. However, since
they don't have a unified purpose imposed on them any longer, those
renegades are not a significant threat.
Modifié par HJF4, 19 février 2013 - 08:34 .
Modifié par ruggly, 19 février 2013 - 08:55 .
We cannot judge based on the appearance. All Reapers are made in the physical image of the leviathans, regardless of which species was their source. The Catalyst says so. I expect there to be as much variation - and more- in the mental disposition of the Reapers as there is between the species of the galaxy. Except that they don't need anything. They appear to be completely self-sufficient. Most wars come from a conflict of interest over resources, so I find it plausible they'd be less drawn toward violent conflict. Also, they are actually rather vulnerable. If you kill one Reaper, the equivalent of a whole species is lost. They may be powerful, but what they lose if they lose balances that in no way. Transformation into a Reaper puts all the eggs in one basket.HJF4 wrote...
Then, if we were to judge based upon the appearance of most the reapers seen in the games, most reapers are of the "Leviathan" variety (you said "a" species), a species that if I recall correctly tended towards enslaving other species/civilizations (even having their own biological abilities to do so). So then, if we were to base on the physical appearance of the numbers seen in game, most reapers would have been created from peoples of that culture of domination (motivated to dominate/manipulate/control). Given that, why would we assume that only a "one or two"(ruggly said) would be violent/hostile?Ieldra2 wrote...
You forget one thing: The Reapers are the conjoined minds of the harvested species. If there is any truth to the Catalyst's claim that each Reaper is an ascended form of a species, then each Reaper should have a mind and motivations reminiscent of the species it was made from.
It's actually harder to explain why they would help with the Catalyst's cycle. I have speculated their will has been subverted by the Catalyst in a process similar to indoctrination, and that Synthesis frees them from that mind-control. If that's the case, I don't see it as implausible that they might help the civilizations responsible for releasing them from a billion years of slavery, being forced to do to others what was done to their constituent species.
Also, I should mention that I don't think all will help. Some will go off to do their own thing, a few might even be actively hostile. However, since they don't have a unified purpose imposed on them any longer, those renegades are not a significant threat.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 février 2013 - 09:06 .
It's weird to me that someone would find all of this appealing.Seival wrote...
Synthesis transforms galactic civilization into one persistent society, and raise people existance to the new level. All forms of life become closer to each other, especially in terms of communication and understanding. It doesn't bring peace, but it brings stability... As if everyone are of the same race now.
Synthesis removes differences. Mostly - the mental ones. This is how I see it.
dorktainian wrote...
found this little nugget on the decent forums.
What's wrong with synthesis?
Shepard says before the Earth mission that the galaxy would never be safe as long as the reapers exist.
Then 20 minutes later you end up agreeing with the reapers and all the sudden they really aren't that bad upon choosing synthesis.
You don't even have to get into the philosophy of why synthesis is absolutely ridiculous.
Synthesis (and control for that matter) is the equivalent of Frodo wanting to be an orc, Luke Skywalker to be emperor, Robocop to be an OCP security guard, Smurf to be Gargamell, James Bond to be Dr. No, Batman to be Joker, etc, etc, etc....
Modifié par clennon8, 19 février 2013 - 10:45 .
clennon8 wrote...
@dork: Shepard just needed "more data" from the most successful brainwasher and mass murder in galactic history.
ED: Heh. Right on queue, CG ninja'd me.
Perhaps, but a twenty second real shoddy explanation and one essence of Shepard later doesn't really do it for me. At least with destroy, I know exactly what I'm getting, and can then proceed to headcanon the **** out of it to my liking.CosmicGnosis wrote...
Well, when Michael Gamble implies that Synthesis is his favorite ending, something is going on. Either he's a moron who "didn't get it", or Synthesis is intended to be, at the very least, a good ending. Yeah, it's weird that the main villain presents the choices, but it appears that we aren't supposed to care about that.
AgreedThe whole thing should have been different. But this is what we have.
Modifié par ruggly, 19 février 2013 - 11:15 .
CosmicGnosis wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
@dork: Shepard just needed "more data" from the most successful brainwasher and mass murder in galactic history.
ED: Heh. Right on queue, CG ninja'd me.
Well, when Michael Gamble implies that Synthesis is his favorite ending, something is going on. Either he's a moron who "didn't get it", or Synthesis is intended to be, at the very least, a good ending. Yeah, it's weird that the main villain presents the choices, but it appears that we aren't supposed to care about that. The whole thing should have been different. But this is what we have.
This needs to go up on a Wall of Shame somewhere as being one of the stupidest posts ever. Seriously. In a history of uncountable poorly-written, poorly-spelled, poorly-reasoned posts, you have outdone yourself. Congrats.Wayning_Star wrote...
CosmicGnosis wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
@dork: Shepard just needed "more data" from the most successful brainwasher and mass murder in galactic history.
ED: Heh. Right on queue, CG ninja'd me.
Well, when Michael Gamble implies that Synthesis is his favorite ending, something is going on. Either he's a moron who "didn't get it", or Synthesis is intended to be, at the very least, a good ending. Yeah, it's weird that the main villain presents the choices, but it appears that we aren't supposed to care about that. The whole thing should have been different. But this is what we have.
but the catalyst IS NOT THE MAIN VILLAIN. WE are..hence the chaos. The destroy crowd is trapped in the story, they cannot come above their greviences as to see the reality they face. The game tricks players into that and switches the flip with the catalyst revelation. The CRUCIBLE is proof of that as the Cat is removed by it, other than to 'serve' Shep up with the choices menu. The ONLY question, and even that is metagame, is who the heck divined the choices and THAT is a crop planted for speculation. The engineers of the crucible would be an interesting reveal, but not as much as the authors of the choices would be...
Leviathan was non contributory to most destroy optionizers as well. They're just hired guns..
With destroy there IS NO SPECULATION, set to ignore any and every clue in the game and go for what seems obvious. It appears that this game (ME3 anyways) was over designed for the previous installments, too much too fast with no direct control, well at least not enough. Starts out shooter,ends up no boss fight thinker tinker. imho
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