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[jtav]

As someone who has played a low-EMS game, CD is correct. The one option you get is dependent on whether you have the heart or brain asset. The brain ensures Control is the only option.

[shingara]

jtav wrote...

As someone who has played a low-EMS game, CD is correct. The one option you get is dependent on whether you have the heart or brain asset. The brain ensures Control is the only option.

 Again uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/End_Game_Chart_-_With_Spoilers

 With the lowest EMS score the only option is destroy, destory is always an option no matter how much EMS you have.

[CronoDragoon]

shingara wrote...
 Actually its not correct, let me show you. uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/End_Game_Chart_-_With_Spoilers

 Destruction is the only option at the lowest EMS rating, The higher the EMS rating the more refined the weapon becomes allowing for earth, squadmates and ultimatly shepard to survive.

You've succeeded in proving IGN's incompetence.

And its not an argument about anything that happened after ME1 beacon happend. Its the fact that this tactic has been employed by the catalyst within multiple harvest, most notable within this harvest through tim and the previous harvest with the protheans. Its also stated by vigil and vengence this has been employed in previous harvests aswell.

If you doubt the epilogue as what actually happened, then you have no basis for believing that anything after the beacon happened. Prove to me the beacon wasn't a Reaper indoctrination trap, You can't, using your logic.


 

Edit, ow and 3dand makes an amazing point, the plans for the crucible, simple yet eleigent its design. has been passed down through all the harvests. No one knows who came up with it. How funny that the only thing beyond the mass relays to survive all the harvests is the plans to destroy or control the reapers.

 Funny that isnt it, a huge weapon of unknown qualitys that happens to join with the very thing that controls the reapers. A way to move man power and fleet presence away from the theatre of war and drain resources from other areas that could do with them more, like shoring up planitery defenses, bigger fleets etc.

 When the reapers remove all existance of the previous races they just happen to leave those plan around to be found.

Right, the thing that gets damaged by the Reapers on route to the Citadel in low EMS and destroyed by the Reapers if you take too long is a trap.

[jtav]

Your link is mistaken. And a counter.



25:10 and on.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

shingara wrote...

 Actually its not correct, let me show you. uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/End_Game_Chart_-_With_Spoilers

 Destruction is the only option at the lowest EMS rating, The higher the EMS rating the more refined the weapon becomes allowing for earth, squadmates and ultimatly shepard to survive.

Your link fails to account for EMS at 0-1749 + Collector Base intact. In that case, only Control is avaiable as an option.

Look it up on youtube, it's there. And Low EMS Control-only proves that Shepard can be prevented picking Destroy. Not to mention the fact that Low EMS Destroy-only proves that he can't make Shepard not choose Destroy even if it wants to.

Given that, deception theories are all broken. It's the (head)canon of anti-enders, by anti-enders, for anti-enders.

[shingara]

CronoDragoon wrote...

shingara wrote...
 Actually its not correct, let me show you. uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/End_Game_Chart_-_With_Spoilers

 Destruction is the only option at the lowest EMS rating, The higher the EMS rating the more refined the weapon becomes allowing for earth, squadmates and ultimatly shepard to survive.

You've succeeded in proving IGN's incompetence.

And its not an argument about anything that happened after ME1 beacon happend. Its the fact that this tactic has been employed by the catalyst within multiple harvest, most notable within this harvest through tim and the previous harvest with the protheans. Its also stated by vigil and vengence this has been employed in previous harvests aswell.

If you doubt the epilogue as what actually happened, then you have no basis for believing that anything after the beacon happened. Prove to me the beacon wasn't a Reaper indoctrination trap, You can't, using your logic.


 

Edit, ow and 3dand makes an amazing point, the plans for the crucible, simple yet eleigent its design. has been passed down through all the harvests. No one knows who came up with it. How funny that the only thing beyond the mass relays to survive all the harvests is the plans to destroy or control the reapers.

 Funny that isnt it, a huge weapon of unknown qualitys that happens to join with the very thing that controls the reapers. A way to move man power and fleet presence away from the theatre of war and drain resources from other areas that could do with them more, like shoring up planitery defenses, bigger fleets etc.

 When the reapers remove all existance of the previous races they just happen to leave those plan around to be found.

Right, the thing that gets damaged by the Reapers on route to the Citadel in low EMS and destroyed by the Reapers if you take too long is a trap.

 Well IGNs incompitence aside how does that change the fact that this tactic has been used in ever single harvest. Lets go over some points.

 1. Protheans tried it didnt work, at which point did the catalyst say ow sorry not gonna work for you.

2, The innusani tried it, at which point did the cataylst say ow sorry not going to work.

3, TIM tried it, at which point did the cataylst say ow sorry not going to work. ( on this note TIM also did exactly what shep would do with control but wasnt vapourized or become a reaper )

4, The arrival scientists, at which point did the reapers turn around and go, NAAA fooled you.

5, Shepard 3 mins earlier tells TIM it cannot work. What changes on the lift to give shepard the epiphany that its suddenly changed.

6, This tactic has been employed in all harvests. Has succeded in all previous harvest, your suggesting this tactic isnt being employed now. Why ?

7, The weapon might be damaged by the reapers but why isnt it destroyed if you dont sit down and roll a cig whilst your meant tobe walking forwards.

8, The beacon on edan prime is of prothen tech, as confirmed by vigil, of whom vigil is programed to be able to disseminate who is indoctrinated. Thus shepard is not under reaper control. Of course if you wish to debate if the bulk of 1 all of 2 and 3 arnt real then thats another debate and im more then willing to open a new topic on this debate if you so wish.

9, How did the schematics for the weapon get passed along all harvest if the reapers do not wish for the weapon itself to be constructed.



 As for the epiloges, i would have loved a morinth sex style ha ha moment but hey.





 

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 09:24 .

[shingara]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Actually its not correct, let me show you. uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/End_Game_Chart_-_With_Spoilers

 Destruction is the only option at the lowest EMS rating, The higher the EMS rating the more refined the weapon becomes allowing for earth, squadmates and ultimatly shepard to survive.

Your link fails to account for EMS at 0-1749 + Collector Base intact. In that case, only Control is avaiable as an option.

Look it up on youtube, it's there. And Low EMS Control-only proves that Shepard can be prevented picking Destroy. Not to mention the fact that Low EMS Destroy-only proves that he can't make Shepard not choose Destroy even if it wants to.

Given that, deception theories are all broken. It's the (head)canon of anti-enders, by anti-enders, for anti-enders.

Actualy it proves that deception is infact correct. So in a way i am glad of IGN being incompitent. The fact that if shepard isnt fully involved within destroying the reapers that they will try and take the easiest route to finish the war, thus being more susceptible to falling to the enemy tactics for an easy way out which is exactly the route TIM had tried.


 The only difference right now is that your willing to fall into the enemys tactics.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 09:21 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

shingara wrote...

Actualy it proves that deception is infact correct. So in a way i am glad of IGN being incompitent. The fact that if shepard isnt fully involved within destroying the reapers that they will try and take the easiest route to finish the war, thus being more susceptible to falling to the enemy tactics for an easy way out which is exactly the route TIM had tried.

Wow. This is just mind-numbingly awful logic.

But okay, let's use it anyway: If Shepard isn't "fully involved" and therefore more susceptible to falling to the Reapers' tactics, why does the Catalyst still present Shepard with Destroy in Low EMS (without the base)? Why doesn't try to force him into Control? Why doesn't he ever try to force him into Sync (the one he wants most) when EMS is too low??

Why not just call the nearest Reaper to shoot down Shepard where he's standing and be done with it?

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 07 août 2013 - 09:32 .

[shingara]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

shingara wrote...

Actualy it proves that deception is infact correct. So in a way i am glad of IGN being incompitent. The fact that if shepard isnt fully involved within destroying the reapers that they will try and take the easiest route to finish the war, thus being more susceptible to falling to the enemy tactics for an easy way out which is exactly the route TIM had tried.

Wow. This is just mind-numbingly awful logic.

But okay, let's use it anyway: If Shepard isn't "fully involved" and therefore more susceptible to falling to the Reapers' tactics, why does the Catalyst still present Shepard with Destroy in Low EMS (without the base)? Why doesn't try to force him into Control? Why doesn't he ever try to force him into Sync (the one he wants most) when EMS is too low??

 AA but he does try and stear shepard away from destroy. He informs shepard that all synthetics will be destroyed, that includes anyone with synthetic parts including shepard as he is part synthetic. So that means the bulk of the asari, all the geth, edi, alot of turians, krogans. Well hell basically half of the universe is gonna fall over dead if destroy is chosen.

 And if you are as delusional as TIM then please explain the Zha'til.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Why not just call the nearest Reaper to shoot down Shepard where he's standing and be done with it?

 And this brings up a very good point, who is to say shepard has a choice at all ?

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 09:35 .

[Seival]

Synthesis is the ending which caused the most intense arguing, I think everyone agree with that. There are a lot of things devs didn't tell us. There are a lot of things people are discussing regarding the Synthesis. This ending is the most intriguing no matter if you support it or not... Why? Because both haters and supporters ask for more details and always up to imagine and share another theory or just thoughts about Synthesis.

And now, think about this. Is any other ending at least as half intriguing as Synthesis? There is nothing special going on after Control, Destroy, or Refusal.

Control, Destroy, and Refusal have zero potential for a truly intriguing story. Even prequel about First Contact War looks more intriguing compared to sequels based on these.



...What I want to say is that I wonder why people who dislike Synthesis oppose the idea of making sequel based on Synthesized universe. Does it matter if you dislike the ending if the sequel will be based on outcome which fill MEU with a lot of interesting things that we will never see in regular MEU or even any other sci-fi game? Synthesized universe environment and atmosphere are unique, and possibilities for a new story are really great.
 - Organic beings without any implants but with many capabilities of synthetic beings.
 - Very "animated" synthetic beings, capable of feeling real organic emotions.
 - Living Reapers who can now think for themselves and have tons of ancient secrets to share.
 - Newborn race of ghost-like creatures (awakened VIs).
 - Newborn society full of creatures who's capabilities vary from common for us to godlike.
 - The Synthesized Catalyst as some kind of "overseer" and "silent guide" for a new protagonist.
 - Newborn unusual environment - maybe even some animals and trees became self-aware.
 - Possibilities of unusual relationships between completely different beings.
 - New philosophical questions to ask.

Synthesized MEU may become a completely unique story. Something we've never seen before. Something truly amazing.

Modifié par Seival, 07 août 2013 - 09:40 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

shingara wrote...

 AA but he does try and stear shepard away from destroy. He informs shepard that all synthetics will be destroyed, that include anyone with synthetic parts including shepard as he is part synthetic. So that means the bulk of the asari, all the geth, edi, alot of turians, krogans. Well hell basically half of the universe is gonna fall over dead if destroy is chosen.

Doesn't matter. In Low-EMS (without the 'Base) it's the only option that can be picked, but why is the Catalyst letting him pick it at all if he doesn't want it? If you shoot the Catalyst, he'll stop you from choosing anything and keep harvesting.

By your logic, Refuse would be better than Destroy, so why not do what he does in Refuse to prevent picking Destroy?

And I'm not going to change the subject for you to back-out now.

[shingara]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

shingara wrote...

 AA but he does try and stear shepard away from destroy. He informs shepard that all synthetics will be destroyed, that include anyone with synthetic parts including shepard as he is part synthetic. So that means the bulk of the asari, all the geth, edi, alot of turians, krogans. Well hell basically half of the universe is gonna fall over dead if destroy is chosen.

Doesn't matter. In Low-EMS (without the 'Base) it's the only option that can be picked, but why is the Catalyst letting him pick it at all if he doesn't want it? If you shoot the Catalyst, he'll stop you from choosing anything and keep harvesting.

By your logic, Refuse would be better than Destroy, so why not do what he does in Refuse to prevent picking Destroy?

And I'm not going to change the subject for you to back-out now.

 You talk like shepard is you, not you are playing shepard. Im just curious if you actualy understand that concept. You talk as if your moral standings overides shepards. That shepards primary goal can be defuse by your need for power.

 And the premise that shepard has no choice if the weapon is fired or not holds more water then synthesis. I do notice you cannot explain the Zha'til either.


 What you are basically doing is playing TIM, not Shepard. Somehow whilst upon that lift you flip from being shepard and becoming TIM, his ideals becoming your ideals, That in essense show that as you play shepard you have a weakened resolve, more suspectable to indoctrination. You have not only been swayed from your original mission that you have been completing for the last what is it, 5 years but you also flipped that mission within 3 seconds of talking to the Reapers.

  The very fact that you would fall for the enemys tactics says more about you then you realise. A tactic that allowed the harvest to continue, Infact you have been conviced that the very tactic introduced to you from the reapers which was introduced to TIM and all the previous groups who believed this tactic that you are infact indoctrinated.

 


 And BTW you dont shoot the catayst to destroy. Shooting the kid is refuse but just shows the kid is harby. And also the very look of humans under synthesis is the exact look TIM had even though he chose control.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 10:07 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

shingara wrote...

You talk like shepard is you, not you are playing shepard. Im just curious if you actualy understand that concept. You talk as if your moral standings overides shepards. That shepards primary goal can be defuse by your need for power.

I never said anything about Shepard being me, or about playing Shepard, or whatever nonsense you're attempting to cook up right now to distract away from giving me a straight-answer to any of those questions.

This is the third time you've tried to put words in my mouth. I'm sick your crap.

I do notice you cannot explain the Zha'til either.

I can explain it fine. I'm not going to, though, because: (1) it's irrelevant to the topic at hand (Catalyst lying, or not); (2) it will merely allow you an out that you are looking for to change the subject (which, without my help, you do by yourself).

What you are basically doing is playing TIM, not Shepard. Somehow whilst upon that lift you flip from being shepard and becoming TIM, his ideals becoming your ideals, That in essense show that as you play shepard you have a weakened resolve, more suspectable to indoctrination. You have not only been swayed from your original mission that you have been completing for the last what is it, 5 years but you also flipped that mission within 3 seconds of talking to the Reapers.

Again with distractions. You have not answered the question: why is Destroying the Reapers the only thing that goes on in Low-EMS (no 'base)? Why are the Reapers not trying to influence him to Control/Sync?? Why does shooting him trigger Refuse? You haven't answered, and you're not going to, because those facts break all deception nonsense.

If you can't see that at this point, nothing will make you. So I'm done talking here. You win...

... nothing. You lose. Good day sir. (**re: whatever you say after this post**) I SAID, "GOOD DAY, SIR!!!"

[shingara]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

shingara wrote...

You talk like shepard is you, not you are playing shepard. Im just curious if you actualy understand that concept. You talk as if your moral standings overides shepards. That shepards primary goal can be defuse by your need for power.

I never said anything about Shepard being me, or about playing Shepard, or whatever nonsense you're attempting to cook up right now to distract away from giving me a straight-answer to any of those questions.

This is the third time you've tried to put words in my mouth. I'm sick your crap.

I do notice you cannot explain the Zha'til either.

I can explain it fine. I'm not going to, though, because: (1) it's irrelevant to the topic at hand (Catalyst lying, or not); (2) it will merely allow you an out that you are looking for to change the subject (which, without my help, you do by yourself).

What you are basically doing is playing TIM, not Shepard. Somehow whilst upon that lift you flip from being shepard and becoming TIM, his ideals becoming your ideals, That in essense show that as you play shepard you have a weakened resolve, more suspectable to indoctrination. You have not only been swayed from your original mission that you have been completing for the last what is it, 5 years but you also flipped that mission within 3 seconds of talking to the Reapers.

Again with distractions. You have not answered the question: why is Destroying the Reapers the only thing that goes on in Low-EMS (no 'base)? Why are the Reapers not trying to influence him to Control/Sync?? Why does shooting him trigger Refuse? You haven't answered, and you're not going to, because those facts break all deception nonsense.

If you can't see that at this point, nothing will make you. So I'm done talking here. You win...

... nothing. You lose. Good day sir. (**re: whatever you say after this post**) I SAID, "GOOD DAY, SIR!!!"

youtu.be/ni7H6RqtN8A   You cannot answer, you evade, you are Indoctrinated. You cannot state why you suddenly believe the reapers promises. You cannot state why this time the tactic will work for you (Meglomania much). You cannot explain how TIM even though he chose control and was up with the crucible moments before looks like he did synthesis or why the cataylst tells shepard he is the 1st organic to stand there even though tim did it moments before.

 In concern to the choices, i have explained multiple times previously, all the ones the reapers want are sugar coated, everything will be amazing, destroying and stopping them is bad, oooo nasty nasty bad.


 As for the Zha'til it isnt irrelevant, it blows you thesis out of the water is what they do. The Zha'til were in a synthesis state, man and machine as one. It just made them easier to control by the reapers. The reapers themselves are in a state of Synthesis, so were the collectors.


 The only thing you are able to prove is that you are just as capable as TIM to try and argue that controlling or joining the reapers is the correct action to take. And that dear sir screams Indoctrinated.

 You stand infront of Harbringer for 5 mins and suddenly conform to there thinking. Well done.

 It comes down to a single choice do you

   A, Believe harbringer
   B, Not believe harbringer



 And here youtu.be/1kpUO0ezJEY listen to TIM and shep in this, and then listen to you and which are you hmm.

 And in closing, yet again when the person your debating with cant do anything but insult and throw the teddy you know for sure you have won the debate.

Modifié par shingara, 07 août 2013 - 11:07 .

[Ice Cold J]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...
To be perfectly honest, to me Synthesis is probably the best outcome for all involved HOWEVER, this is basically having you assume the mantle of God and determining the fate and future of all things in existence. That is something that I, as Shepard, would never do.

I don't see it quite the same way. Yes, you do assume powers traditionally thought to be reserved for deities, but you do that anyway when making a decision about the galaxy's future. Also, while you lay a new basis for future development, you don't actually determine the future. Once Synthesis is done, people can live their lives as they want and you will not further control the future. Control is much more of a power trip than Synthesis, which is why I'm not quite comfortable with it in spite of its having no moral downside like the other two options.

I get what you're saying.

Here's my take on that:

In a way, the other two decisions have been made in that the other forms of life in the galaxy want to preserve their own existence as is AND they want the Reapers to be taken care of.
Destroy fits both these perfectly and obviously (save for the Geth and EDI, who are sadly sacrificed).
Control works in a similar fashion. The Reapers are no longer a true threat, as a Paragon Shepard, the only real kind who would make such a sacrifice to control them in the first place, would never use them as his own personal tool for destruction and everyone continues on with their own existence.
Synthesis is determining the future in this way: You have altered reality and the way thigns are to a point that it will never be reversed. The galaxy didn't go into the battle say, "Jeez, it'd be cool if we could be partly synthetic." Likewise, although they may want this, the Geth never explicitly state a desire to be organic at all.
To actually accept this ending, I'd have needed to contact and deliberate with AT LEAST Primarch Victus, Urdnot Wrex (or Wrev), Tali and/or the Admiralty Board, the Asari Councillor, and the Geth Consensus. UNLESS I did all that, I was assuming what I did was what the entire galaxy would want. And that is what I consider playing God.

Again, I follow your logic, but I just do not agree with it.

[CosmicGnosis]

IT IS TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE TO REJECT SYNTHESIS BECAUSE OF ITS ETHICAL ISSUES AND ITS PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC NONSENSE!

There. Does everyone see that? Ieldra has stated again and again that this is reasonable. That people keep arguing about this is baffling. I really don't understand what the anti-Synthesis fanatics are trying to prove.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 08 août 2013 - 04:25 .

[CronoDragoon]

shingara wrote...

 Well IGNs incompitence aside how does that change the fact that this tactic has been used in ever single harvest.

 

Why are you bothering to discuss a series that did not happen? I have already proven to you IT-style that Shepard is indoctrinated at the beacon at the beginning of ME1 and hallucinates the entire series, because the Reapers are tricksy and false and trap beacons are totally something they would do.

[shingara]

CronoDragoon wrote...

shingara wrote...

 Well IGNs incompitence aside how does that change the fact that this tactic has been used in ever single harvest.

 

Why are you bothering to discuss a series that did not happen? I have already proven to you IT-style that Shepard is indoctrinated at the beacon at the beginning of ME1 and hallucinates the entire series, because the Reapers are tricksy and false and trap beacons are totally something they would do.

 LOL you proved what now. so you jump from synthesis is correct to synthesis is the only option because shepard is indocrinated, just a second.... youtu.be/ni7H6RqtN8A. ow thanks i did need a giggle.

[CronoDragoon]

shingara wrote...

 LOL you proved what now. so you jump from synthesis is correct to synthesis is the only option because shepard is indocrinated, just a second.... youtu.be/ni7H6RqtN8A. ow thanks i did need a giggle.

There is no Synthesis, there is no Catalyst, there is no Jack, Miranda, Suicide Mission, or Sovereign. Actually, screw it. There are no Reapers. The Protheans injected enough touch-based hallucinogens into the beacon to kill a T-Rex. Why? For the lulz. About ten minutes after the epilogue rolls Shepard wakes up from his Prothean Mind Mushroom binge with a hell of a headache.

Prove me wrong.

In case you haven't realized it, this is rhetoric. I am demonstrating to you why unfalsifiable hypotheses are worthless in a debate. And your hypothesis that the Synthesis epilogue is not actually what happens, but is rather a continuation of the Catalyst's lies is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. It's dogma. It's being an ostrich.

[shingara]

CronoDragoon wrote...

shingara wrote...

 LOL you proved what now. so you jump from synthesis is correct to synthesis is the only option because shepard is indocrinated, just a second.... youtu.be/ni7H6RqtN8A. ow thanks i did need a giggle.

There is no Synthesis, there is no Catalyst, there is no Jack, Miranda, Suicide Mission, or Sovereign. Actually, screw it. There are no Reapers. The Protheans injected enough touch-based hallucinogens into the beacon to kill a T-Rex. Why? For the lulz. About ten minutes after the epilogue rolls Shepard wakes up from his Prothean Mind Mushroom binge with a hell of a headache.

Prove me wrong.

In case you haven't realized it, this is rhetoric. I am demonstrating to you why unfalsifiable hypotheses are worthless in a debate. And your hypothesis that the Synthesis epilogue is not actually what happens, but is rather a continuation of the Catalyst's lies is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. It's dogma. It's being an ostrich.

 This only raises one question, why are you here lol, its all a dream, wake up chrono wake up. You sir are a very speciel person. Your entire defence is that its dallas


Ow and to the bold, if the cataylst isnt lying then why does he lie to shep that he is the first organic to stand there hmm.   But please do tell us more about how mass effect is an acid trip

Modifié par shingara, 08 août 2013 - 05:20 .

[Ieldra]

Seival wrote...
Synthesis is the ending which caused the most intense arguing, I think everyone agree with that. There are a lot of things devs didn't tell us. There are a lot of things people are discussing regarding the Synthesis. This ending is the most intriguing no matter if you support it or not... Why? Because both haters and supporters ask for more details and always up to imagine and share another theory or just thoughts about Synthesis.

And now, think about this. Is any other ending at least as half intriguing as Synthesis? There is nothing special going on after Control, Destroy, or Refusal.

Control, Destroy, and Refusal have zero potential for a truly intriguing story. Even prequel about First Contact War looks more intriguing compared to sequels based on these.

I guess different people find different things intriguing, but you're correct that the post-Synthesis future is likely to be exotic compared to the others. That's part of the appeal at least for me.

Control offers some intriguing possibilities as well but I think Destroy has been narratively shortchanged by the hint that the relays can be rebuilt. If they remained destroyed in Destroy, then you could have a future infused with a renewed spirit of exploration unlike anything Synthesis or Control could offer. As it is, it's a boring "everything goes back to pre-Reaper normal only minus the geth" scenario.

Synthesized MEU may become a completely unique story. Something we've never seen before. Something truly amazing.

If I could only trust the writers to write that story.

[Ieldra]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...
To be perfectly honest, to me Synthesis is probably the best outcome for all involved HOWEVER, this is basically having you assume the mantle of God and determining the fate and future of all things in existence. That is something that I, as Shepard, would never do.

I don't see it quite the same way. Yes, you do assume powers traditionally thought to be reserved for deities, but you do that anyway when making a decision about the galaxy's future. Also, while you lay a new basis for future development, you don't actually determine the future. Once Synthesis is done, people can live their lives as they want and you will not further control the future. Control is much more of a power trip than Synthesis, which is why I'm not quite comfortable with it in spite of its having no moral downside like the other two options.

I get what you're saying.

Here's my take on that:

In a way, the other two decisions have been made in that the other forms of life in the galaxy want to preserve their own existence as is AND they want the Reapers to be taken care of.
Destroy fits both these perfectly and obviously (save for the Geth and EDI, who are sadly sacrificed).
Control works in a similar fashion. The Reapers are no longer a true threat, as a Paragon Shepard, the only real kind who would make such a sacrifice to control them in the first place, would never use them as his own personal tool for destruction and everyone continues on with their own existence.

Is it a sacrifice? Renegade Shepard rather talks about "the potentional of the decision", and while my main Shepard doesn't choose Control he'd agree with that. From augmented human to super-intelligence? How is that a sacrifice?
Also, no, after Control things are the same only on the surface. The knowledge that a god-analogue exists who could enforce its policy even if it refrains from using force, that will influence all cultures in a fundamental way. None will remain untouched by this knowledge, and everything will change. Power is not force. Power is the potential to use force, and the mere presence of a power like Control!Shep's will be enough to reshape cultures. Think of the turians. What will the knowledge do to them that there is a power they could never defeat by their vaunted military prowess in a thousand years?    

Synthesis is determining the future in this way: You have altered reality and the way thigns are to a point that it will never be reversed. The galaxy didn't go into the battle say, "Jeez, it'd be cool if we could be partly synthetic." Likewise, although they may want this, the Geth never explicitly state a desire to be organic at all.
To actually accept this ending, I'd have needed to contact and deliberate with AT LEAST Primarch Victus, Urdnot Wrex (or Wrev), Tali and/or the Admiralty Board, the Asari Councillor, and the Geth Consensus. UNLESS I did all that, I was assuming what I did was what the entire galaxy would want. And that is what I consider playing God.

You see, that's where we differ. I'm not *playing* god. I am assuming godlike powers - but I am most emphatically not playing but trying to act responsibly. Also, in Control the galaxy didn't get into the conflict saying "We want to be ruled by a god-analogue". You are alone, you have no others to consult, you have the means to influence the future of civilization. Why do you need to consult others? They didn't make it here, they pushed you to be the tip of the spear. Well, that's it then. If I am the tip of the spear, I choose where to go.

Again, I follow your logic, but I just do not agree with it.

That's the point of having different options, isn't it? The decision is an assessment of values, of course people differ in that. It just happens that I don't value biochemical purity as much as the potential for advancement that comes with Synthesis, or the lives of the synthetics I would destroy in Destroy, and I don't like the idea of "creating god" as I would in Control.

[Taboo]

I think that after all is said and done the ME teams will try and distance themselves from these endings as much as possible in the next installment. It really doesn't matter at this point.

I don't like Synthesis because it represents the antithesis of my artistic and philosophical influences. Namely Brecht, Marcuse and Oshima.

One of the major themes I never see discussed on this forum is the negative consequences of supposed "good actions". Therein I find Destroy more appealing because it IS flawed. An imperfect solution creates a narrative fulfillment I want and seek. Simply ending a lot of issues by enacting Synthesis insults me intellectually. It feels more like wish fulfillment in that case. That narrative "realism" is more important to me than personal feelings about transhumanism which is a study of mine as I consider myself a secular humanist. I seek the betterment of makind through action of self rather than another goal (such as religion).

I don't think things will ever go back to being 100% normal after the destruction of the Reapers either. We know that there is a window of ten thousand years as stated by Mac Walters ( the Stargazer scene and all it's artistic integrity take place then). Even so there is still the possibility of what the Catalyst says is true happening.

[jtav]

Ieldra, if I may contradict you on a tangential point, Control is a sacrifice because Shepalyst is now isolated. There are no other minds on its level. If it feels the lack, its basically been condemned to hell for the greater good. If it doesn't something vital has been lost.