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[Seival]

ruggly wrote...

Somehow I don't think they would be able to write a proper synthesis sequel, just going off of what they gave us in ME3. If they try, I would hope they do a lot of research first. Even then, I'll be a bit wary about it.

Synthesis in ME3 is just an epilogue, which honestly lacks the huge "to be continued" banner in the end. Synthesis is a matter of a new story, it was simply impossible to put all its exotic and unusual details inside 10-min-long epilogue.

...Well, and considering the scale and detail level of ME Trilogy in general I do not worry about proper Synthesis sequel (if devs will choose this path). The writers will have to create a very long story in this case, not just a short epilogue.

[Bourne Endeavor]

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I'd be down if it was a reboot to ME2 like atmosphere.

I don't want to get my hopes up though : I expect anything at this point. Multiplayer only microstransaction half shooter/half facebook tablet games.

I sure hope multiplayer doesn't interfere with the main game, whatever it is, but I agree about an ME2 type atmosphere. For all the crap it might get about its irrelevance to the main plot in the end, there's some things that the game got really right that I hope is recaptured in the next game to some degree.

Strangely, even though I get on the bash Walters bandwagon sometimes, I have faith he could do just that. I don't know why ME3 took on the tone it did, because Mac also wrote characters like Aria, TIM, Zaeed, and was partly responsible for Omega in general. And of course, Garrus as well. Maybe just the general Reaper plot wasn't playing to his strengths. He's good at characters and settings where there's a little more breathing room, where the pace is just enjoying the aspects of the world, and not having the Big Epic Plot breathing down your neck.

I have frequently speculated (Hah) Mac is an ADD writer, in the sense his attention span deviates from one new "awesome" idea to the next every week or two, thus why the series gradually became boggled with "rule of cool" instead of any thought provoking or compelling narrative. ME1 may not be devoid of this, but it was far more transparent. With that said, this is why Mac seems to handle less plot central arcs better. A loyalty mission is barely an hour or thereabouts and he can move on. A cohesive plot stretching an entire series... yeah.

[mass perfection]

Synthesis doesn't even make sense.

[ruggly]

I ain't no artist, and I made this in GIMP in like 20 minutes, but had there been like a second tier of synthesis were I got something like this, I wouldn't have minded so much. The explanation would still need changing, and the whole moral conundrum could remain or something, but this would have been cool. I imagine some folks headcanon something like this anyways.  If you're wondering what the hell is going on, it's supposed to be the damaged armor rebuilding itself and Shepard walking out of that damn beam like the badass she is.


http://imgur.com/S4A5O7w

Modifié par ruggly, 14 août 2013 - 11:46 .

[Alien Number Six]

This is my wifes favorite ending because it sets every race free including the Reapers. She views them as victims as well.

[dorktainian]

Alien Number Six wrote...

This is my wifes favorite ending because it sets every race free including the Reapers. She views them as victims as well.

and yet there they are...still wondering around indoctrinating people...yeah thats legit.

I'm sure the trillions of beings killed by them wanted you all to make friends.  Yup. 

[Seival]

ruggly wrote...

I ain't no artist, and I made this in GIMP in like 20 minutes, but had there been like a second tier of synthesis were I got something like this, I wouldn't have minded so much. The explanation would still need changing, and the whole moral conundrum could remain or something, but this would have been cool. I imagine some folks headcanon something like this anyways.  If you're wondering what the hell is going on, it's supposed to be the damaged armor rebuilding itself and Shepard walking out of that damn beam like the badass she is.

Actually, there is nothing to headcanon here. This is a very nice concept of Synthesized Shepard VI.

And Synthesized VIs are already part of the story:

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2013 - 01:34 .

[N7recruit]

But the Shepard VI can only predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

[KaiserShep]

Sure, they show Kasumi, but where's the picture of Liara marrying Glyph?

[Seival]

N7recruit wrote...

But the Shepard VI can only predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

And can anyone predict what he would say with high enough accuracy? We can imagine the situation and make some assumptions about our reaction. But when it comes to practice - it most likely will be completely different story.

One of the most interesting things in case of Synthesis is that VIs become self-aware. And it's quite logical that each Synthesized VI's mind will be based on the original VI's personality programming.

[N7recruit]

Seival wrote...

N7recruit wrote...

But the Shepard VI can only predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

And can anyone predict what he would say with high enough accuracy? We can imagine the situation and make some assumptions about our reaction. But when it comes to practice - it most likely will be completely different story.

One of the most interesting things in case of Synthesis is that VIs become self-aware. And it's quite logical that each Synthesized VI's mind will be based on the original VI's personality programming.

My post was ment to be more of a joke than anything else:lol:. But as for your point that VI's become selfaware do you not find it to be kinda Cheesey? I Feel that each ending needed a bigger price tag to even each of them out.
With Synthesis in particular it needed a bigger price tag then Shepards Death.

But one thing I couldn't understand was how ALL synthetic life, Regardless of model or data storage now have Empathy & Emotions. What was sent out to alter them? If all they needed was a 20GB download on the "FEELS"
then that really de-flates my abality to take this conflict seriously

[KaiserShep]

It's best not to delve into its mechanics, because there's none to speak of. It just magically "improves" everything.

[Alien Number Six]

dorktainian wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

This is my wifes favorite ending because it sets every race free including the Reapers. She views them as victims as well.

and yet there they are...still wondering around indoctrinating people...yeah thats legit.

I'm sure the trillions of beings killed by them wanted you all to make friends.  Yup. 

She loves Edi as a character as well. We all made our choice in the end of the game. Synthisis was hers. She enjoyed Edi's very human reaction at the end of the game when she and Joker emerge into a new world.
We all have our different opinions. My wife's is always one I take into account. She views the Catalyst as the real monster. After all he tells you the reapers are simply tools. 

Modifié par Alien Number Six, 15 août 2013 - 02:53 .

[CronoDragoon]

Alien Number Six wrote...

She loves Edi as a character as well. We all made our choice in the end of the game. Synthisis was hers. She enjoyed Edi's very human reaction at the end of the game when she and Joker emerge into a new world.
We all have our different opinions. My wife's is always one I take into account. She views the Catalyst as the real monster. After all he tells you the reapers are simply tools. 

To a certain extent the Reapers are obviously tools insofar as they cannot go against the cycles. But I wonder to what degree they are actually just mindless slaves. If we take Sovereign's personality seriously, for example, I think that if not under the mind control of the Catalyst to go along with the cycles, he'd take joy in simply destroying organics. Organics really seem to disgust him, and his words are representative of a hostile view ("ending" them, destroying). So while we can't condemn all the Reapers for the cycle, I don't think they are necessarily helpless victims, either.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 août 2013 - 02:56 .

[Alien Number Six]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

She loves Edi as a character as well. We all made our choice in the end of the game. Synthisis was hers. She enjoyed Edi's very human reaction at the end of the game when she and Joker emerge into a new world.
We all have our different opinions. My wife's is always one I take into account. She views the Catalyst as the real monster. After all he tells you the reapers are simply tools. 

To a certain extent the Reapers are obviously tools insofar as they cannot go against the cycles. But I wonder to what degree they are actually just mindless slaves. If we take Sovereign's personality seriously, for example, I think that if not under the mind control of the Catalyst to go along with the cycles, he'd take joy in simply destroying organics. Organics really seem to disgust him, and his words are representative of a hostile view ("ending" them, destroying). So while we can't condemn all the Reapers for the cycle, I don't think they are necessarily helpless victims, either.

They do the job they where designed for with pride. If I was designed to punch people in the face I would be the best face puncher in the face punching business. And I would tell you as much if you asked me. That is my opinion.

Modifié par Alien Number Six, 15 août 2013 - 03:11 .

[ruggly]

Well, it's supposed to be the real Shepard, not a VI, but one could take it that way I suppose.

[DirtyPhoenix]

dorktainian wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

This is my wifes favorite ending because it sets every race free including the Reapers. She views them as victims as well.

and yet there they are...still wondering around indoctrinating people...yeah thats legit.

I'm sure the trillions of beings killed by them wanted you all to make friends.  Yup. 

Whatever happened to accepting different "opinions"?

[KaiserShep]

Besides, what are they going to indoctrinate them to do? I hope it's to convince their celebrities to stop posting on Twitter.

[Alien Number Six]

pirate1802 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

This is my wifes favorite ending because it sets every race free including the Reapers. She views them as victims as well.

and yet there they are...still wondering around indoctrinating people...yeah thats legit.

I'm sure the trillions of beings killed by them wanted you all to make friends.  Yup. 

Whatever happened to accepting different "opinions"?

At least he didn't call me any names. And besides it was my wife's opinion. I'm more of a destroy kind of guy. But she does bring up some good points.

[Seival]

N7recruit wrote...

Seival wrote...

N7recruit wrote...

But the Shepard VI can only predict what the real Commander Shepard would say with 7% accuracy.

And can anyone predict what he would say with high enough accuracy? We can imagine the situation and make some assumptions about our reaction. But when it comes to practice - it most likely will be completely different story.

One of the most interesting things in case of Synthesis is that VIs become self-aware. And it's quite logical that each Synthesized VI's mind will be based on the original VI's personality programming.

My post was ment to be more of a joke than anything else:lol:. But as for your point that VI's become selfaware do you not find it to be kinda Cheesey? I Feel that each ending needed a bigger price tag to even each of them out.
With Synthesis in particular it needed a bigger price tag then Shepards Death.

But one thing I couldn't understand was how ALL synthetic life, Regardless of model or data storage now have Empathy & Emotions. What was sent out to alter them? If all they needed was a 20GB download on the "FEELS"
then that really de-flates my abality to take this conflict seriously

Each joke is only partially a joke. We all know that Synthesized Shepard VI is not the Shepard.

Synthesis as the ME3 choice has high enough price: Shepard and everyone on the Citadel die. So if you wanna make really perfect paragon choice, then you better choose Control and apply Synthesis later. In this case only the Shepard dies.

[CronoDragoon]

Why does everyone on the Citadel die? Because of the explosion? If so, then no.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 août 2013 - 06:32 .

[KaiserShep]

Yeah that's what I don't get. Synthesis is supposed to be the "best" of the three choices, but the Citadel clearly starts to break apart, whereas in Control it simply closes back up.

[Seival]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Why does everyone on the Citadel die? Because of the explosion? If so, then no.

Considering the explosion scale and Citadel itself falling apart, they die. Just like in case of Destroy.

Synthesis price is quite high. That's why I prefer to assume direct control first. Synthesis can wait a bit.

[mass perfection]

Seival wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Why does everyone on the Citadel die? Because of the explosion? If so, then no.

Considering the explosion scale and Citadel itself falling apart, they die. Just like in case of Destroy.

Synthesis price is quite high. That's why I prefer to assume direct control first. Synthesis can wait a bit.

Even though they both suck and are evil.