Is someone with an artificial joint, bits of metal holding broken bones together, or a pacemaker transhuman?
No. To be transhuman, their actual physical capabilities must be enhanced beyond what could be normally possible for a human. None of those are doing such. They aren't bringing the human to a level that exceeds the limitation of natural human capability.
No. To be transhuman, their actual physical capabilities must be enhanced beyond what could be normally possible for a human. None of those are doing such. They aren't bringing the human to a level that exceeds the limitation of natural human capability.
So is Miranda transhuman?
Serious question, as the whole transhuman question here seems to revolve around fusing organics and synthetics, ot on organics actually being able to surpass their natural limits through genetic augmentation
By a RL definition of the term, yeah I think Miranda's extended lifespan and other abilities qualify her. One reason Ieldra took her infertility very badly.
It was pretty crappy as an ass-pull, but I've grown to see it as a sort DRM that Henry Lawson installed.
So is Miranda transhuman?
Serious question, as the whole transhuman question here seems to revolve around fusing organics and synthetics, ot on organics actually being able to surpass their natural limits through genetic augmentation
She's a designer baby and an artificial human. She's also been maximized in every aspect of ****** sapiens to be genetically perfect example, which is virtually impossible naturally (I count Shepard as the only other person who fits this bill), and she has biotics that are reaching the limit to what can be achieved naturally in humans. Altogether, yes, she is a transhuman.
It's different, that's all. Why is exceeding natural levels a significant factor? All just parts on a continuum of possible artificial change.No. To be transhuman, their actual physical capabilities must be enhanced beyond what could be normally possible for a human. None of those are doing such. They aren't bringing the human to a level that exceeds the limitation of natural human capability.
This is why I go with the more literal definition..
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So is Miranda transhuman?
Serious question, as the whole transhuman question here seems to revolve around fusing organics and synthetics, ot on organics actually being able to surpass their natural limits through genetic augmentation
Have to say I really feel for Miranda, I think she got a really bad deal in the story.
It was pretty crappy as an ass-pull, but I've grown to see it as a sort DRM that Henry Lawson installed.
I can't see Henry Lawson deliberately putting in "DRM" that would make Miranda infertile.
She's supposed to be his genetic legacy, after all. Making her unable to reproduce naturally strikes me as counterproductive. More likely, it was meant to demonstrate that for all Lawson's efforts, Miranda still isn't "perfect"
As for the rest: I find it odd that if transhumanism was such an important factor of the ME-verse, why wasn't it explored more with two big examples of it in ME2: Miranda and Grunt.
I can't see Henry Lawson deliberately putting in "DRM" that would make Miranda infertile.
She's supposed to be his genetic legacy, after all. Making her unable to reproduce naturally strikes me as counterproductive. More likely, it was meant to demonstrate that for all Lawson's efforts, Miranda still isn't "perfect"
As for the rest: I find it odd that if transhumanism was such an important factor of the ME-verse, why wasn't it explored more with two big examples of it in ME2: Miranda and Grunt.
I can. She's his genetic legacy, but she's not under his control. Miranda fans have talked to the writer for Miranda, and he's implied (via Twitter) that it was intentional on Henry Lawson's part. Granted, Miranda, if she really puts her mind to solving the problem, will cure it and be perfect.
They could have explored a more relevant option of looking at designer babies and genetic engineering. Miranda is arguably one of the most extreme examples, and she is also an artificial human, something else that could have been explored.
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There's a strong biological conservative bias to ME, especially in 3 but also elsewhere. My sense is the team was conflicted at best by bioengineering, So you have characters like Miranda who have these abilities but who will never be able to pass them on. Which doesn't bother me because I'm also conservative and would find the existence of Miranda utterly horrifying if we were not dealing with a fictional universe. I did however mind that it was a foretaste of her direction in 3.
But genetic engineering is just as much a staple of transhumanism as synthetic upgrades. Perhaps more so, as synthetic augmentation affects the individual while genetic manipulation affects the person's descendants, and thus the species as a whole, as well (thus if you would find such a thing horrifying, you understand why I find Synthesis in general horrifying)
But genetic engineering is just as much a staple of transhumanism as synthetic upgrades. Perhaps more so, as synthetic augmentation affects the individual while genetic manipulation affects the person's descendants, and thus the species as a whole, as well (thus if you would find such a thing horrifying, you understand why I find Synthesis in general horrifying)
That's actually one of the bright spots to it: Shepard and Miranda's child, or children, and descendants, if she decides to reverse her condition, which I do consider likely, will probably be the basis for a new stock of stronger, greater humans.
I find that concept very intriguing and inspiring. I do believe eugenics programs and engineering the future is the way to go. Basically, the film Gattaca, but with less sappy Ethan Hawke moral victory and more of the physical depiction of the newer, perfect humans taking over.
She has biotics that are reaching the limit to what can be achieved naturally in humans.
...and yet she drops dead while maintaining the Biotic bubble in the Collector Base, whereas Jack manages to hold it.
So much for elitism 
Its good someone brought up Jack, I want to know just what the hell Cerberus did to her, because her biotic power is extreme.
...and yet she drops dead while maintaining the Biotic bubble in the Collector Base, whereas Jack manages to hold it.
So much for elitism
That's still very elite skill that Miranda has. Jack has been artificially spiked by Cerberus to be the strongest human biotic ever.
Its good someone brought up Jack, I want to know just what the hell Cerberus did to her, because her biotic power is extreme.
Don't know. All I know is that even Teltin, the rogue facility, were successful in their experiments.
It's different, that's all. Why is exceeding natural levels a significant factor? All just parts on a continuum of possible artificial change.
Because artificial change to overcome natural limitations is transhuman. You're now capable (through technology) of doing things that you could never do naturally, even if you had peak human abilities.
That's still very elite skill that Miranda has. Jack has been artificially spiked by Cerberus to be the strongest human biotic ever.
Someone would say that specifically tailored genetics would make stronger biotics than torture, but oh well...
Still, that doesn't remove the irony of "I could do it, too!". Yeah, don't follow her advice...ever.
Someone would say that specifically tailored genetics would make stronger biotics than torture, but oh well...
Still, that doesn't remove the irony of "I could do it, too!". Yeah, don't follow her advice...ever.
I disagree. She does do it, as does any biotic; If she couldn't do it, nobody would have survived. Yes, Samara and Jack have more power reserves than she does, and that prevents a death, but it's still sound advice. I'd wager to say that I feel her advice is usually more prudent than anyone else's.
It wasn't 'torture' that gave Jack her ability. It was the experimentation and development of physical alterations and upgrades that gave Jack her power. You're taking a misinformed and inaccurate view of the circumstances and presenting them in an untrue manner.
Its good someone brought up Jack, I want to know just what the hell Cerberus did to her, because her biotic power is extreme.
Until you crank up the difficulty to nightmare, then she's an extremely weak biotic.
Until you crank up the difficulty to nightmare, then she's an extremely weak biotic.
Gameplay/story separation takes effect unfortunately.
I still want to play with the version of Jack that can tear through two or three mechs in a matter of seconds.
I still want to play with the version of Jack that can tear through two or three mechs in a matter of seconds.
I still want to play a Shepard that does biotic stuff in cutscenes, not gonna happen.
(not counting Citadel DLC 
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