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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Miranda actually strikes me as someone who might be prone to depressive episodes. Or close-ish.

 

I don't see it at all for her.

[TurianRebel212]

Saren would be proud. 

 

Shepard finally did what he could not. 

 

Bridging an alliance between man and machine. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither. The pinnacle of evolution. 

 

 

GG. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't see insecurity from her in that aspect. I see her as realizing she's human and is capable of making errors, but I wouldn't say it's insecurity in her own abilities or skills. As I said, the issue comes more from how she feels about her gifts, feeling that she hasn't earn them since they were in place before she had any say, and can only feel that she earns her mistakes since despite the traits she has in place, she still has made mistakes. On that note, I'd still rate Miranda as the best humanity has to offer, on the same level as Shepard. It's part of the appeal I see to her, and to pairing her with my Shepard. She's the only one on his level so to speak (or at least close to it). Despite that, that's still not insecurity so much as it is acknowledging what is. 

 

Massively, I don't see Miranda that way. I agree with jtav (wow here's another first). Miranda is prone to depressive episodes. She is genetically engineered to be perfect. She puts pressure on herself to perform perfectly, yet she is still human. She is prone to making mistakes. She misreads people, like Niket. Jack is another she misreads, although the game doesn't go there with any kind of discussion, it does leave me with a head scratcher. 

 

Perception is reality, and I think Miranda feels that she is second tier because she was engineered to be like she was, and not born naturally with it. That is one of the themes of the story. But it saddens me that the best they could do with Miranda's story arc was daddy issues and her sister. And despite being surrounded by this diverse cast of characters, Shepard's character growth in this story? Equivalent to Arnold's growth in "The Terminator"

 

This was to me one of the flaws in the story. Another was that since Miranda was one of the few people who had direct access to TIM, why wasn't she Shepard's boss? Was it for the simple reason so they could get Martin Sheen as a voice actor? I know, I know, game play mechanic. Still the entire plot line of ME2 was stupid. Wait. What plot line?

[Iakus]

The question is pertinent. I've always said that she is, given that transhumanism does not exclude biotechnology as a means to transform the human condition. The problem in ME is that the attributes that would make it so were never shown but only told.

 

As for Synthesis in general, the idea is good but the context makes it problematic. Different people end up on different sides of the fence, and arguing that "it's good" or "it's bad" as if that was sort of objective fact is futile.

 

The thing about Miranda though, is while she' genetically engineered, she doesn't really go "beyond human" in her abilities.  She's strong, fast, brilliant, and a powerful biotic.  But she is not "more than human" in any given ability (save perhaps her expected lifespan)   Her uniqueness is that she is far above the baseline in virtually every category.

 

Also worth considering, here is the secondary codex entry on genetic engineering:

 

In the 22nd century, manipulation of the human genome became commonplace.  Techniques for genetic engineering advanced to the point where the rich could custom-build fetuses that grew into stronger, smarter, and more attractive adults.  In more permissive regions, custom-designed life forms and "uplifted" animals occupied an ill-defined niche between "property" and "sapient being".

 

Travel to planets with unique forms of life brought an awareness that Earth's biodiversity could be lost if it spliced and hybridized to gain useful alien qualities.  The Sudham-Wolcott Genetic Heritage Act was passed by the Systems Alliance Parliament in 2161.  It imposed sharp restrictions on controversial uses of genetic engineering, but provided government subsidies for beneficial applications.

 

SCREENING AND THERAPY: Most governments provide free assessments and corrective therapy for genetic diseases in prospective parents.  This has nearly eliminated everything from cystic fibrosis to nearsightedness.  The earlier screening and therapy is performed, the more comprehensive the results.  Though ideally performed on artificially fertilized zygotes in a lab, procedures are available for embryos in the womb and newborns, out of respect for personal beliefs.

 

ENHANCEMENT: Improvements of natural human abilities is legal, but adding new abilities is not.  Treatments to improve strength, reflexes, mental ability, or appearance are permitted; adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose is not.  Some genetic enhancement is provided for free to Alliance military recruits, but the average citizen must pay for the privilege.  The process can take years to reach fruition in an adult.

 

ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal.  Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medical applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council. 

 

How would the sudden advent of Synthesis be taken, given these regulations?

[TurianRebel212]

The thing about Miranda though, is while she' genetically engineered, she doesn't really go "beyond human" in her abilities.  She's strong, fast, brilliant, and a powerful biotic.  But she is not "more than human" in any given ability (save perhaps her expected lifespan)   Her uniqueness is that she is far above the baseline in virtually every category.

 

Also worth considering, here is the secondary codex entry on genetic engineering:

 

In the 22nd century, manipulation of the human genome became commonplace.  Techniques for genetic engineering advanced to the point where the rich could custom-build fetuses that grew into stronger, smarter, and more attractive adults.  In more permissive regions, custom-designed life forms and "uplifted" animals occupied an ill-defined niche between "property" and "sapient being".

 

Travel to planets with unique forms of life brought an awareness that Earth's biodiversity could be lost if it spliced and hybridized to gain useful alien qualities.  The Sudham-Wolcott Genetic Heritage Act was passed by the Systems Alliance Parliament in 2161.  It imposed sharp restrictions on controversial uses of genetic engineering, but provided government subsidies for beneficial applications.

 

SCREENING AND THERAPY: Most governments provide free assessments and corrective therapy for genetic diseases in prospective parents.  This has nearly eliminated everything from cystic fibrosis to nearsightedness.  The earlier screening and therapy is performed, the more comprehensive the results.  Though ideally performed on artificially fertilized zygotes in a lab, procedures are available for embryos in the womb and newborns, out of respect for personal beliefs.

 

ENHANCEMENT: Improvements of natural human abilities is legal, but adding new abilities is not.  Treatments to improve strength, reflexes, mental ability, or appearance are permitted; adding a tail or the ability to digest cellulose is not.  Some genetic enhancement is provided for free to Alliance military recruits, but the average citizen must pay for the privilege.  The process can take years to reach fruition in an adult.

 

ENGINEERING: Artificial hybridization of genes from compatible non-human species with human genetic code is illegal.  Creation of designed life is broadly legal (and mainly used for terraforming and medical applications), but sentient creatures are heavily regulated, and creation of sapient life is outlawed by both the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council. 

 

How would the sudden advent of Synthesis be taken, given these regulations?

 

The Reapers transcend your very knowledge of anything and everything. 

 

 

Quit asking questions. Synthesis is the only way. It is the ONLY way to ascend and evolve 

 

We evolve or we die. 

 

Truer words have never been spoken. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't think the regulations would be considered.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Wait.... there's technology in Mass Effect to give a human a tail?

Why is this not an option in the character creation screen?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Couldn't you see Shepard in a bar with a tail? Shepard can't dance as it is. Add a tail, and then there's this table clearing thing.

[SporkFu]

Couldn't you see Shepard in a bar with a tail? Shepard can't dance as it is. Add a tail, and then there's this table clearing thing.

Would the shep shuffle generate enough tail movement to clear a table? 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Just think of the applications in close-quarters combat. 

[AlanC9]

Saren would be proud. 

 

Shepard finally did what he could not. 

 

Bridging an alliance between man and machine. The strengths of both. The weaknesses of neither. The pinnacle of evolution. 

 

 

Yep. Turns out Saren was right all along.

[Kurt M.]

You defeated your own argument when you started insulting other users and being blatantly disfunctional with wording.

 

Oh, come on. You really have nothing left than to cry over a small joke?

 

Dissapointing

I don't see it at all for her.

 

I do. Besides, being sterile doesn't exactly makes wonders for your mental health.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh, come on. You really have nothing left than to cry over a small joke?

 

Dissapointing

 

 

I do. Besides, being sterile doesn't exactly makes wonders for your mental health.

 

And you have nothing left other than to bait.

 

That's a broad generalization. And Miranda could reverse it if she wanted too. After all, she did reverse death. 

[Barquiel]

This was to me one of the flaws in the story. Another was that since Miranda was one of the few people who had direct access to TIM, why wasn't she Shepard's boss? Was it for the simple reason so they could get Martin Sheen as a voice actor? I know, I know, game play mechanic. Still the entire plot line of ME2 was stupid. Wait. What plot line?

 

I agree that the "plot" was stupid, but I think that makes sense. TIM probably knows Miranda is a good administrator, but not leader. I mean...can you imagine Shepard being captured or incapacitated? Miranda and Jack, Tali and Legion, and Grunt and Mordin would all be having a food fight in the mess hall, Garrus would watch the scene...shaking his head and Samara would probably sit in her quarter and meditate the whole time.

[Kurt M.]

And you have nothing left other than to bait.

 

That's a broad generalization. And Miranda could reverse it if she wanted too. After all, she did reverse death. 

 

Oh, I don't bait, I already offered proof enough. It's you the one you're blatantly ignoring it Your problem if you're an egomaniac.

 

And yeah, she tooootally can cure her condition.....after cutting ties from Cerberus, which basically were the ones supplying Project Lazarus with all the money, personnel, equipment, facilities...

 

...and having in mind that clinic on Illium directly recommends adoption, I don't think it's something easy to fix, either.

 

Again, sooo much for "perfection"

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh, I don't bait, I already offered proof enough. It's you the one you're blatantly ignoring it Your problem if you're an egomaniac.

 

And yeah, she tooootally can cure her condition.....after cutting ties from Cerberus, which basically were the ones supplying Project Lazarus with all the money, personnel, equipment, facilities...

 

...and having in mind that clinic on Illium directly recommends adoption, I don't think it's something easy to fix, either.

 

Again, sooo much for "perfection"

 

Your proof was refuted by no less than 4 other users. Yet you do nothing more than proclaim people to be 'mirandass lovers'. That's baiting. 

 

Yes, I do believe that she can cure her condition. I really don't think it's going to come anywhere close to the level of Lazarus in terms of expenditures and resources, considering that her physical condition is reversible with today's medicine. Said clinic on Illium is also not invested in creating a cure or reversing her condition, or indeed even as intelligent or as determined as her. Again, this is a woman who overcame death. She can easily overcome something like this if she applied herself.

 

So yes, she is indeed genetically perfect.

[Farangbaa]

So yes, she is indeed genetically perfect.

 

Bwaha. Evolution disagrees.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bwaha. Evolution disagrees.

 

It does, but as far as ****** sapiens (the species) goes, she is genetically perfect.

[Farangbaa]

It does, but as far as ****** sapiens (the species) goes, she is genetically perfect.

 

LMAO, this language filter.

 

But I don't think you understand the purpose of genes. You can have all the awesome genes you want, if you can't pass them on to the next generation they're useless. If her sister isn't barren her genes can be somewhat usefull in an altruistic way.

 

*disclaimer*

Not claiming here that people who are infertile are useless, a waste of space or whatever. I'm looking at this purely from a genetic perspective. A gene's sole purpose is to be passed on to the next generation (by enhancing the probability of the organism it is in reaching the reproductive age and reproducing). In Miranda's case that's impossible. (excluding future tech magic)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

LMAO, this language filter.

 

But I don't think you understand the purpose of genes. You can have all the awesome genes you want, if you can't pass them on to the next generation they're useless. If her sister isn't barren her genes can be somewhat usefull in an altruistic way.

 

*disclaimer*

Not claiming here that people who are infertile are useless, a waste of space or whatever. I'm looking at this purely from a genetic perspective. A gene's sole purpose is to be passed on to the next generation. In Miranda's case that's impossible.

 

Well, Miranda can use her superior intelligence genes to develop a cure for her damaged reproductive genes. She'd be able to come up with a solution to the problem, and be able to do such. Personally, I view her issue as intentional by her father as a sort of 'DRM' as a contingency if she were to be 'undesirable' as an heiress for whatever reason.

 

Granted, she doesn't have to actually be impregnated. There are alternatives, such as taking her own genetic material and combining it with, say, Shepard's to make a fertilized embryo that can be developed via surrogate or artificial womb. I do believe that she would be able to overcome her own issue however.

[Iakus]

I don't think the regulations would be considered.

Clearly the regulations weren't considered.

 

But more to the point, these are concerns with radically altering the genetics of an entire species.  Let alone all species.

[Farangbaa]

Well, Miranda can use her superior intelligence genes to develop a cure for her damaged reproductive genes. She'd be able to come up with a solution to the problem, and be able to do such. Personally, I view her issue as intentional by her father as a sort of 'DRM' as a contingency if she were to be 'undesirable' as an heiress for whatever reason.

 

Granted, she doesn't have to actually be impregnated. There are alternatives, such as taking her own genetic material and combining it with, say, Shepard's to make a fertilized embryo that can be developed via surrogate or artificial womb. I do believe that she would be able to overcome her own issue however.

 

I think we're done here. If you need that much any tech to overcome nature, you're not genetically perfect.

[jtav]

Miranda isn't perfect or even perfectly healthy. And Lazarus doesn't imply her infertility is treatable any more than treatment for cancer implies treatment for MS.

[Kurt M.]

Your proof was refuted by no less than 4 other users. Yet you do nothing more than proclaim people to be 'mirandass lovers'. That's baiting. 

 

Yes, I do believe that she can cure her condition. I really don't think it's going to come anywhere close to the level of Lazarus in terms of expenditures and resources, considering that her physical condition is reversible with today's medicine. Said clinic on Illium is also not invested in creating a cure or reversing her condition, or indeed even as intelligent or as determined as her. Again, this is a woman who overcame death. She can easily overcome something like this if she applied herself.

 

So yes, she is indeed genetically perfect.

 

If that condition is treatable by today's medicine, then the Bioware writers who wrote that were very, very...confused. Or overly dramatic...if what you said is true, of course.

 

And the other 4 members offered no more arguments than the ones you already gave (which I already dismissed), so my supposition of being Mirandass lovers like you isn't quite misplaced. I'd be surprised you were the only one...

[dreamgazer]

And the other 4 members offered no more arguments than the ones you already gave (which I already dismissed), so my supposition of being Mirandass lovers like you isn't quite misplaced. I'd be surprised you were the only one...

I did: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Slam