Miranda isn't perfect or even perfectly healthy. And Lazarus doesn't imply her infertility is treatable any more than treatment for cancer implies treatment for MS.
I disagree. Curing death is indicative of being able to cure any other ailment. The thing is, if she can cure death, with enough time and energy she could cure her own issue.
Miranda may have cured death through a mix of biology and technology, but is Shepard still fertile?
I disagree. Curing death is indicative of being able to cure any other ailment. The thing is, if she can cure death, with enough time and energy she could cure her own issue.
not necessarily
she may be able to resurrect someone who has died, but that doesn't mean she can cure anything
She may not be able to fix it if the tumor was caused by a genetic quirk unique to herself. Don't forget that Miranda only led the Lazarus team and had a staff under her. She's a good all-rounder, but she may lack the expertise and resources to treat her condition.
Ironically, Synthesis may be her best shot.
Not that I wouldn't prefer her to suffer from something else/
If that condition is treatable by today's medicine, then the Bioware writers who wrote that were very, very...confused. Or overly dramatic...if what you said is true, of course.
And the other 4 members offered no more arguments than the ones you already gave (which I already dismissed), so my supposition of being Mirandass lovers like you isn't quite misplaced. I'd be surprised you were the only one...
They were very, very confused. Fibroids are reversible today. They can be removed via surgery.
I know you dismissed the argument. Dismissing an argument is not the same as beating the argument by rationally explaining evidence and breaking it down. Dismissing an argument means you aren't arguing, just not listening.
Miranda may have cured death through a mix of biology and technology, but is Shepard still fertile?
Who knows? It's not something that's ever brought up. In that case, I'll go with yes, my Shepard isn't shooting blanks.
I know reave and singularity are described as advanced biotic techniques, but I don't think slam is anything special (lore-wise, I mean). She is of course one of the most useful party members, gameplaywise.
I know reave and singularity are described as advanced biotic techniques, but I don't think slam is anything special (lore-wise, I mean). She is of course one of the most useful party members, gameplaywise.
Lore-wise? Not especially, I guess, but it's an incredibly powerful biotic ability that's unique to her (and Shepard) and backs up her claims in ME2.
Oooooh, so Javik is also a "perfect biotic" then?
Besides, what's so special about "Slam" afterall? It's awfully similar to Pull, which is a pretty basic biotic power. It's not like we're talking about more awesome ones like Anhiliation Field, Dark Channel or Flare here 
One more argument...broken 
They were very, very confused. Fibroids are reversible today. They can be removed via surgery.
I know you dismissed the argument. Dismissing an argument is not the same as beating the argument by rationally explaining evidence and breaking it down. Dismissing an argument means you aren't arguing, just not listening.
My bad then. I beat your arguments. Bad choice of words
Lore-wise? Not especially, I guess, but it's an incredibly powerful biotic ability that's unique to her (and Shepard) and backs up her claims in ME2.
My bad then. I beat your arguments. Bad choice of words
No, you didn't. All you've done is say 'haha you're wrong, I beat you, your points suck, haha!'
Oooooh, so Javik is also a "perfect biotic" then?
Besides, what's so special about "Slam" afterall? It's awfully similar to Pull, which is a pretty basic biotic power. It's not like we're talking about more awesome ones like Anhiliation Field, Dark Channel or Flare here
One more argument...broken
Guys, there's a Miranda thread in the customization section...
No, you didn't. All you've done is say 'haha you're wrong, I beat you, your points suck, haha!'
OK, so let's do a quick run-up of my arguments, shall we?:
DISCUSSION: Miranda is an absolute (perfect?) badass biotic (or not):
1) There's absolutely no one in game that says so, apart from herself (which I attach to ego from her part), and a obscure "narrator line" saying she's "a gifted biotic". The same (pretty neutral BTW) word that very same narrator says about, for example, Grissom Academy biotics, for which I consider that "argument" irrelevant at best.
2) Another argument is that she can use "Slam", for which I say that it's a pretty basic power similar to Pull, and no proof at all of Miranda's "biotic badassery". Besides, it's not even exclusive to her, as Javik uses it, too.
3) She can't sustain the biotic bubble at the Collector's base, which doesn't say much about her biotic abilities, putting them (as much), at Jacob's level. You could say that a true "biotic badass" with "perfect tailored genes" could have done it, whereas post-natal implants and torture managed to do it (Jack).
See? Those little things are called ARGUMENTS, my boy. Now, if you present something more serious than "Oh, Mirandass said it herself OMGAMAZINGARGUMENT!", then I'd be more than happy to destroy them for you
Who said anything about "perfect"?
Say that to mr. MassivelyEffective0730, not me. And, as I said, she's not even especially powerful. As I said before, average at best.
I say Miranda is powerful when it comes to her using warp and slam.
I say Miranda is powerful when it comes to her using warp and slam.
And what about Warp and Singularity or Shockwave, which any Alliance Adept troop can do? Or is "Slam" more badass than Singularity?
And what about Warp and Singularity or Shockwave, which any Alliance Adept troop can do? Or is "Slam" more badass than Singularity?
What about them? She uses warp in ME2.
What about them? She uses warp in ME2.
...I was referring that I don't see how much better Mirandass' biotics are compared to, say, a pretty basic Alliance Adept...
Yes, Slam is very useful. Yes, I loved it in ME2, but that doesn't remove the fact it's a power that can be considered to be on par with Pull (it could even be considered a variation of it), which is a pretty basic power that even Jacob knows how to do.
If that's the only argument someone has about "Mirandass biotic supremacy"....oh, well...
Guys you are thoroughly derailing what was a productive thread. Please take the Miranda talk elsewhere.
SHeesh
Guys you are thoroughly derailing what was a productive thread. Please take the Miranda talk elsewhere.
SHeesh
Sorry, lol.
Well, I doubt those guys have any more reasonable arguments, so...this discussion won't take long to finish 
...I was referring that I don't see how much better Mirandass' biotics are compared to, say, a pretty basic Alliance Adept...
Yes, Slam is very useful. Yes, I loved it in ME2, but that doesn't remove the fact it's a power that can be considered to be on par with Pull (it could even be considered a variation of it), which is a pretty basic power that even Jacob knows how to do.
If that's the only argument someone has about "Mirandass biotic supremacy"....oh, well...
People shouldn't use gameplay powers for this though. Because if we do that, the 'extremely powerful' biotic called Jack is actually extremely weak completely useless biotic.
I've done this myself though, I can't get over the fact that this supposedly extremely powerful woman can only do Pull and Shockwave.
People shouldn't use gameplay powers for this though. Because if we do that, the 'extremely powerful' biotic called Jack is actually extremely weak completely useless biotic.
I've done this myself though, I can't get over the fact that this supposedly extremely powerful woman can only do Pull and Shockwave.
I've always liked how Jack's introductory cutscene shows her single-handedly taking on two LOKI mechs even though in gameplay terms, she'd be completely helpless against one. A particularly obvious example of story/gameplay segregation.
People shouldn't use gameplay powers for this though. Because if we do that, the 'extremely powerful' biotic called Jack is actually extremely weak completely useless biotic.
I've done this myself though, I can't get over the fact that this supposedly extremely powerful woman can only do Pull and Shockwave.
+1
...although Double Shockwave (Jack + Vanguard Shep) is quite impressive sometimes
OK, so let's do a quick run-up of my arguments, shall we?:
DISCUSSION: Miranda is an absolute (perfect?) badass biotic (or not):
1) There's absolutely no one in game that says so, apart from herself (which I attach to ego from her part), and a obscure "narrator line" saying she's "a gifted biotic". The same (pretty neutral BTW) word that very same narrator says about, for example, Grissom Academy biotics, for which I consider that "argument" irrelevant at best.
2) Another argument is that she can use "Slam", for which I say that it's a pretty basic power similar to Pull, and no proof at all of Miranda's "biotic badassery". Besides, it's not even exclusive to her, as Javik uses it, too.
3) She can't sustain the biotic bubble at the Collector's base, which doesn't say much about her biotic abilities, putting them (as much), at Jacob's level. You could say that a true "biotic badass" with "perfect tailored genes" could have done it, whereas post-natal implants and torture managed to do it (Jack).
See? Those little things are called ARGUMENTS, my boy. Now, if you present something more serious than "Oh, Mirandass said it herself OMGAMAZINGARGUMENT!", then I'd be more than happy to destroy them for you
Why don't we take this over to the Miranda thread, where I can show you that this is essentially what I said your argument was.
*desperate attempt to haul thread back on topic*
One of the things that makes the ending choice difficult for me is what's true and the parameters of the story change quite often. ME2 Legion talks quite a bit about not only the geth wanting their own future but the Reapers destroying anything that doesn't fit their mold. Yet ME3 and Synthesis have an undercurrent of "all life, synthetic and organic must become less distinct to survive and thrive." And there's no acknowledgement that the previous view existed. I have no idea on what basis I'm supposed to make a decision. Synthesis is what I like best. Control is what I'd choose if I were Shep. Destroy fits prior installments best.
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