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[Vigilant111]

Optimystic_X wrote...

xbb1024 wrote...

The fear of being surpassed should not just be directed at synthetic races. Similarly, an idea like the genophage by an advanced irganic race would be equally terrifying.

No, it would not, and here's why.

The Salarians that came up with the genophage and the Turians that deployed it were brutal and cruel. Of course, so were the Krogan who forced their hands, but let's put that aside for now.

Among the Salarians, there are many who agree with the genophage. However, there are those who do not, notably Mordin and Padok, and better still they have the intelligence and education to do something about it.

The difference between Geth and Salarians, is that the Salarians who support the genophage cannot go out and develop a virus that will brainwash all other Salarians to share their point of view. Imagine if the Dalatrass had the power to brainwash Mordin - you'd have never gotten the Genophage cure off the ground. But the Heretics have the power to do that to the Geth; all synthetics that can develop schisms due to math fluctuations can do so. The same protections that keep one viewpoint from dominating an organic race do not apply to them.

Organics and synthetics, who is easier to be indoctrinated?

I have lost track on what Dreman and Mammoth are discussing here, I thought we are debating the validity of synthesis

Regardless, conflicts are indirectly traced back to organics creating synthetics, and synthetics are often being used for non-proper purposes, vengence arises, very dangerous when synthetics self-improve

Modifié par Vigilant111, 25 mai 2012 - 03:57 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
. Which is why the quarian attcking them would make them hostile.

It would make then acting in self-defense against an agressor, not openly hostile to all organics. 

2.Yes, they did. They attacked the Moon VI first.

NOPE! The Hannibal VI killed all soldiers on Luna because it mistook their training simulations for attacks on it. 

3.It matter not that a small group of organic started it. The end results is that all organics will get pulled into the conflict.

Now what's your point? Organics indirectly cause the conflict, that does not mean synthetics are hostile to organics, because you're ignoring the cause of it. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
. Which is why the quarian attcking them would make them hostile.

It would make then acting in self-defense against an agressor, not openly hostile to all organics. 

2.Yes, they did. They attacked the Moon VI first.

NOPE! The Hannibal VI killed all soldiers on Luna because it mistook their training simulations for attacks on it. 

3.It matter not that a small group of organic started it. The end results is that all organics will get pulled into the conflict.

Now what's your point? Organics indirectly cause the conflict, that does not mean synthetics are hostile to organics, because you're ignoring the cause of it. 

1.Which is my point.
2. Let me help you understand...Let's say you in your room sleeping when suddenly someone attacks you. You don;t know them or why the attack you. And to get them off uou you attack them.....
Who is at fault inthe conflict?

3.Synthetics are not naturally hostile. 
 

[Shaigunjoe]

Taboo-XX wrote...
You cannot violate basic laws of physics to create matter from nothing.

We have been over this already, but you still need seem to insist that you cannot do this with no other support than 'some old phycisit says so' (which I think is one of the respones from matlab when you input 'why')

[Taboo]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
You cannot violate basic laws of physics to create matter from nothing.

We have been over this already, but you still need seem to insist that you cannot do this with no other support than 'some old phycisit says so' (which I think is one of the respones from matlab when you input 'why')

What are you even asking here?

I thought such things were common knowledge?

[Shaigunjoe]

Taboo-XX wrote...
What are you even asking here?
I thought such things were common knowledge?

The law of conservation of mass may be common knowledge, the exceptoins to the 'law'...not so much apparently.

[dreman9999]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
You cannot violate basic laws of physics to create matter from nothing.

We have been over this already, but you still need seem to insist that you cannot do this with no other support than 'some old phycisit says so' (which I think is one of the respones from matlab when you input 'why')

So your saying the laws of physics don't apply....

[Taboo]

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

[dreman9999]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
What are you even asking here?
I thought such things were common knowledge?

The law of conservation of mass may be common knowledge, the exceptoins to the 'law'...not so much apparently.

There are no exceptions of a law unless another law is in it's place.

[Vigilant111]

Taboo-XX wrote...

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

Faster than light jump being enabled

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

Faster than light jump being enabled

Do you know the theory of relativity is a theory...Not a law.

Modifié par dreman9999, 25 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[Vigilant111]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

Faster than light jump being enabled

Do you know the theory of relitivity is a theoty...Not a law.

speculating only;), all we do here right now tend to be speculating
Incredulous why are we discussing this?

Modifié par Vigilant111, 25 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[Taboo]

This is the exact result of poor writing.

We assume it's deeper than it actually is.

It's not.

It's just bad.

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

Faster than light jump being enabled

Do you know the theory of relitivity is a theoty...Not a law.

speculating only;), all we do here right now tend to be speculating

Again, a law in science does not change uless the univere your in has a different law of physics. Say the crucible does is baseless. In short...

[Vigilant111]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

So we're excusing things like this now?

With Special relativity?

You assume that Hudson and Walters know about such things.

I seriously doubt they had any intention of such things being discussed.

The theory of relativity is being tested right now, with that particle that supposedly went faster than light.

What happens if it does?

Faster than light jump being enabled

Do you know the theory of relitivity is a theoty...Not a law.

speculating only;), all we do here right now tend to be speculating

Again, a law in science does not change uless the univere your in has a different law of physics. Say the crucible does is baseless. In short...

probably explains why jumping needs mass relays

Modifié par Vigilant111, 25 mai 2012 - 04:19 .

[Taboo]

My point is, is that you cannot excuse bad writing with ass grabs.

It's just bad.

You don't get to use Arthur C. Clarke.

[Taboo]

I am certainly not being Amused to Death.

I feel a bit like that chimp on the cover of the album.

What nonsense.

The endings right now are like a sadomasochistic device of self torture. The more you move and think the tighter the binds get.

Jesus.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 25 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[Vigilant111]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am certainly not being Amused to Death.

I feel a bit like that chimp on the cover of the album.

What nonsense.

The endings right now are like a sadomasochistic device of self torture. The more you move and think the tighter the binds get.

Jesus.

the debate never really ends like looking in a mirror through another mirror, reflection goes on for ever:sick:

[Taboo]

I have never in all my years seen such nonsense before.

I'm not even thirty yet.

This is the biggest what the hell I've ever seen.

The Extended Cut cannot come fast enough.

[Vigilant111]

Donno why BW said synthesis is better

[Uncle Jo]

Vigilant111 wrote...


Does it matter whether the "you" is Shepard or organics not? to me there's no difference, control and synthesis never really were options to him, well, control was failed by TIM and synthesis never existed

If the reapers haven't done synthesis before, how are they sure that systhesis will stop conflicts?

Be careful. Assume something like that here and you'll be seen as unable to adapt to a new situation and therefore as mentally deficient...

Every one here agrees (I think) that Synthesis, aside from being a galactic rape (here the opinions diverge), won't end the "classic" conflicts, just the tech singularity (that also might never have happened).
You'll still have also the Reapers hanging out, without the slightest clue of what they're going to do.
Some here are even willing to make peace with them and others hope that they share their knowledge with us. True story.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 25 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[Vigilant111]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...


Does it matter whether the "you" is Shepard or organics not? to me there's no difference, control and synthesis never really were options to him, well, control was failed by TIM and synthesis never existed

If the reapers haven't done synthesis before, how are they sure that systhesis will stop conflicts?

Be careful. Assume something like that here and you'll be seen as unable to adapt to a new situation and therefore as mentally deficient...

Every one here agrees (I think) that Synthesis, aside from a galactic rape, won't end the "classic" conflicts, just the tech singularity (that also might never have happened).
You'll still have also the Reapers hanging out, without the slightest clue of what they're going to do.
Some here are even willing to make peace with them and others hope that they share their knowledge with us. True story.

that why I said this afterwards:

To me, ending the reaper threat in concrete terms means destroying them,
having them around in ANY form is itself a threat to not only oneself
but also others

[Taboo]

Bioware has stated that no ending was supposed to be the best, at least Mr. Gamble did.

I choose to believe that all the endings resolve the issue in one way or the other. But only one ensures the possibility of it NEVER happening.

Synthesis is a solution to a hypothetical problem. As we have discussed, we cannot predict what they'll do. They could simply start and then stop.

If the Universe is mine to mold as my story and I would choose to believe the Geth would come to an understanding with us, as they did on Rannoch.

The speculations we have in here are just that.

I don't think Bioware will ever explain just "how" Synthesis works to us. It will simply happen.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 25 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Bioware has stated that no ending was supposed to be the best, at least Mr. Gamble did.

I choose to believe that all the endings resolve the issue in one way or the other. But only one ensures the possibility of it NEVER happening.

Synthesis is a solution to a hypothetical problem. As we have discussed, we cannot predict what they'll do. They could simply start and then stop.

If the Universe is mine to mold as my story and I would choose to believe the Geth would come to an understanding with us, as they did on Rannoch.

The speculations we have in here are just that.

I don't think Bioware will ever explain just "how" Synthesis works to us. It will simply happen.

There is no point of arguing in this direction.  Gamble didn't even say that at all.