Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Heeden wrote...
xbb1024 wrote...
I believe this idea goes against the running theme of diversity thoughout the game, as most notably expressed by Javik when he implies the fall of his cycle was due to a lack of it. Legion might have had something to say as well, I don't quite remember now. The process by which deliberate change is decided, when faced with a completely new challange, could fail. Natural selection as a decision mechanism has an advantage because it would not be subject to the fallibility of a decision maker or decision making body. This mecahnism will be broken forever if everyone becomes the same.
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Also no-one says Synthesis makes everyone become the same, I don't think it's even implied anywhere.Vigilant111 wrote...
Destroy is NOT backwards, its a clean slate, a fresh start, like formatting your hard drive when u cannot remove the virus
When
you format your hard drive all the data and applications you stored on
it are lost. It will take time to progress forwards until you have the
same information and programs available.
Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 02:02 .
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Boy, wouldn't it be handy to have the information to build the Relays again? I guess the Reapers might have had that information, too bad they're dead.
Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 02:04 .
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Is erasing the virus more urgent or keeping your programmes?
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
Heeden wrote...
Our intellect, informed choices and a spirit of galactic cooperation dictate social development
Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 02:37 .
Heeden wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
Our intellect, informed choices and a spirit of galactic cooperation.
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Boy, wouldn't it be handy to have the information to build the Relays again? I guess the Reapers might have had that information, too bad they're dead.
Don't worry I am sure they left reaper tech on Earth somewhere:lol:
Heeden wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
Our intellect, informed choices and a spirit of galactic cooperation.
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Boy, wouldn't it be handy to have the information to build the Relays again? I guess the Reapers might have had that information, too bad they're dead.
Don't worry I am sure they left reaper tech on Earth somewhere:lol:
Have fun meddling around in massive brainless husks without any information to help, whilst running the risk of indoctrination.
Have fun gathering resources, finding the expertise and a labour force. Have fun finding enough Eezo.
Modifié par Vigilant111, 26 mai 2012 - 02:50 .
Heeden wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
Our intellect, informed choices and a spirit of galactic cooperation.
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Boy, wouldn't it be handy to have the information to build the Relays again? I guess the Reapers might have had that information, too bad they're dead.
Don't worry I am sure they left reaper tech on Earth somewhere:lol:
Have fun meddling around in massive brainless husks without any information to help, whilst running the risk of indoctrination.
Have fun gathering resources, finding the expertise and a labour force. Have fun finding enough Eezo.
Open up the gut of a harbinger and tear its FTL drive out
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
But they are based on need. Need causes adaptaiton...Adaptaion causes evolution.The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
But this is something that is influeced via socal adaptation, not technological.Heeden wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Heeden wrote...
An end to natural evolution. We will still be able to change our societies over time but it will no longer be down to the forces of random events and survival-of-the-fittest to dictate these changes.
Then what does?
These systems works because they are slow and natural.
Our intellect, informed choices and a spirit of galactic cooperation.
Modifié par dreman9999, 26 mai 2012 - 03:24 .
And lose everything I have, including my memories and make myself be easier to us as a puppet...No.xbb1024 wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Vigilant111 wrote...
We've got time, and the reapers are finished, what's not to like?
The pressing question is how to enable inter-star system travel again
Boy, wouldn't it be handy to have the information to build the Relays again? I guess the Reapers might have had that information, too bad they're dead.
Don't worry I am sure they left reaper tech on Earth somewhere:lol:
Have fun meddling around in massive brainless husks without any information to help, whilst running the risk of indoctrination.
Have fun gathering resources, finding the expertise and a labour force. Have fun finding enough Eezo.
Open up the gut of a harbinger and tear its FTL drive out
Just pick control, its easier.
Vigilant111 wrote...
JShepppp wrote...
Basically, from what I get, Synthesis is the "step forward" compared to Control (stays the same) and Destroy ("backwards"), relative to the singularity.
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Destroy is NOT backwards, its a clean slate, a fresh start, like formatting your hard drive when u cannot remove the virus
Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. In fact, my main beef with destroy is that feels like a backward-looking decision. You pay a price that needn't be paid to end the Reaper threat. The only upside is that Shepard can live.
About the end of natural evolution: once a civilization is knowledgeable enough, it has the option to prevent any random changes in their genome and only make the changes it wants. It has the option to end natural evolution for its species and any others if it wants to make the effort. The phrasing "final evolution of life" is still nonsensical though. There will always be life untouched by any intervention, and that will continue to evolve as usual.
Fixers0 wrote...
Personally, all i'm thinkin when readings this is: Supposition.
Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. In fact, my main beef with destroy is that feels like a backward-looking decision. You pay a price that needn't be paid to end the Reaper threat. The only upside is that Shepard can live.
About the end of natural evolution: once a civilization is knowledgeable enough, it has the option to prevent any random changes in their genome and only make the changes it wants. It has the option to end natural evolution for its species and any others if it wants to make the effort. The phrasing "final evolution of life" is still nonsensical though. There will always be life untouched by any intervention, and that will continue to evolve as usual.
I think Shepard living in Destroy was originally intended as a balancing element, but they threw that out of the window when they added the relay destruction to Synthesis. Now Synthesis has the relays destroyed *and* Shepard dead. It has to be pretty good to balance that out.JShepppp wrote...
I've thought that Shepard living was something to balance out the Destroy ending initially (there's a quote floating around somewhere on the Bioware forums that the devs said that the galaxy is more destroyed in the Destroy ending but Shep is alive and can be reuinted with the squad/LI, so there's a tradeoff) though I'm not too sure. It's also an absolute obliteration of the enemy without a chance to pacify them the moment they become partially agreeable.Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. In fact, my main beef with destroy is that feels like a backward-looking decision. You pay a price that needn't be paid to end the Reaper threat. The only upside is that Shepard can live.
I know a lot will disagree with me on this (hope I don't get flamed for it) but yeah.
As I said elsewhere - it's impossible to prevent the creation of synthetics or re-emerging organics. It's rather likely the galaxy has organic species left in areas far away from the relays anyway. In my interpretation, post-Synthesis intelligent life will not be surpassed by synthetics, and pure organics are obsolete anyway to their existence doesn't pose a problem. That's how Synthesis can be a solution. Almost every other reasoning I've seen fails.About the end of natural evolution: once a civilization is knowledgeable enough, it has the option to prevent any random changes in their genome and only make the changes it wants. It has the option to end natural evolution for its species and any others if it wants to make the effort. The phrasing "final evolution of life" is still nonsensical though. There will always be life untouched by any intervention, and that will continue to evolve as usual.
This has been something very common in scifi, the biggest thing coming to mind being the ascension of the Ancients in Stargate. But overall, the idea that after such advanced technological progress you can influence your own evolution is something that I can see possibly happening in scifi. I mean, we see these themes explored a lot, just not as much in ME perhaps.
As for life being untouched and continuing to evolve - this may make synthesis not a permanent solution to the singularity if, after billions of years, new organics can evolve. Though if we're looking at billions of years (random carbon becoming cells, jellyfish, vertebrae, etc), maybe that's far off enough that it's not considered.
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