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[Heeden]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They really need to clear this up. It's just so goofy. I can only hope the Synthesis people get what they want. I just hope someone doesn't get goofy again and decide it WILL make a new DNA.

Psychic DNA manipulation is a possibility but not something shown to adjust a whole organism, although Shepard might get every Asari in the galaxy pregnant.

[Taboo]

Heeden wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They really need to clear this up. It's just so goofy. I can only hope the Synthesis people get what they want. I just hope someone doesn't get goofy again and decide it WILL make a new DNA.

Psychic DNA manipulation is a possibility but not something shown to adjust a whole organism, although Shepard might get every Asari in the galaxy pregnant.

Yeah, but, I mean come on. At some point we have to stop stressing what it does and accept that we cannot possibly know.

It's just too much to process without more information.

It's just silly and insulting to think about it.

[Ieldra]

Heeden wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Though.....the idea of making all life part-synthetic? Yeah.....ridiculous and worth any ridicule. But that was a late addition after the script was leaked. I'm still wondering about this sudden attack of stupidity apparently suffered by the writers.

I still don't see where people get the idea Synthesis includes making biologicals part-synthetic. Nothing the Catalyst says even implies that.

Add your energy to the crucibles.
Everything you are will be absorbed and then sent out.
The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life in to a new framework. A new,,,DNA,
Synthetics are already part of you, can you imagine your life without them?
The cycle will end, synthesis is the final evolution of life but we need each other to make it happen.

Quite right. But it does say "all organic and synthetic life" - which I would interpret as "all intelligent organic and synthetic life", were there not the Gilligan's Planet scene showing leaves overlaid with some pattern suggestive of electronic circuits. That's where that interpretation comes from.

Or perhaps the art department was out of touch with the writers. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Taboo-XX wrote...
They really need to clear this up. It's just so goofy. I can only hope the Synthesis people get what they want. I just hope someone doesn't get goofy again and decide it WILL make a new DNA.

Indeed. I seriously hope they won't do that. The notion of part-synthetic DNA is so crazy that it tops the green Synthesis beam by several orders of magnitude. I hope they'll use the phrasing from the leaked script. Someone must have been insane to replace that with what we got. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[Motherlander]

First I would like to commend the OP in attempting to explain amd justify Synthesis.

I am not a fan of Synthesis in the game as it stands becaue it is so badly implemented and explained. However, if the story had clearly explained it in a way that made sense, then I may well have excepted it as a viabe and even the best option.

In fact, it is an indication of extremely poor story-telling. In any other movie or book, such a critical plot element would have been explained clearly. Usually, the concept would have been referred to and explained during the plot. This does not happen in ME3.

In ME3, we should have got a clear explanation of what synthesis is a some point in the main plot missions. We all know about Destroy, because that is what we believed the main objective is. We know about control, because the IM explained it clearly. But no one explained synthesis as far as i am aware. So extremely poor stoy telling from Bioware I'm afraid.

Now onto the OP post. First i want to set down what I believe.

Firstly, I believe that the conversation between Shep and the Catalys was real. I do not believe in or like the IT.

Secondly, I also believe that the Catalyst was sincere in everything it said. The Catalyst believes it is telling Shepard the truth.

Thirdly, I accept that the Catalyst is very intelligent and has a lot of data available on which to make judgements. But it is definately not infallible, a fact it effectively admits during the dialogue.

My main problem with the OP post is that it seems to devalue the dialogue from the game, and especially that said by the Catalyst.

For example when the Catalyst says synthesis is a "new DNA" and "the final evolution of life", the OP seems to be saying that the Catalyst doesn't actually mean to use these terms.

So the OP says that Synthesis is not a new DNA an that it can't be the final evolution of life even though the Catalyst says it.

I have a problem with this for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, we can only know what ending meaning by taking the dialogue at face value. The dialogue and the in game codex are the only true sources that explain these things. So I have to take the dialogue at face value. I have no reason to believe that what the Catalyst says is somehow metaphoric or symbolic of something else.

Secondly, if we accept that the Catalyst is indeed real, sincere and very intelligent, then I also make the assumption that it means the terms it said.

So if the catalyst uses the terms "new DNA" and "final evolution of life", then that is what the catalyst means.

So I am afraid I can only understand Synthesis withing this context in that a new form of DNA has been created and that it is perceived to be ultimate evolution.

However, I agree with the O that Synthesis cannot be the final evolution of life. And all this goes to prove that the Catalyst is indeed fallible and is probably wrong, indicating that it is not as intelligent as it thinks it is.

Also, although I though that the OP explained how Synthesis may work for organics, it was not so clear how it work for synthetics.

In summary, I still find Synthesis to be an enigma at best and an abomination at worst. I don't thinkt the OP justifies it for me precisely because the key dialogue appears to be discounted or devalued.

In the end, i am not sure all these long theories are going to help. I don't need that. All I need to know is the following explained short lines of dialogue (and if it can't be explained in dialogue then it should never have been allowed as an option):
1) How does Synthesis actually take place (other than the present space magic)?
2) What is the effect on organics?
3) What is the effect on synthetics?
4) What is the effect on the technology in general?
5) Why is it a good thing? What are the tangible benefits apart from the vague inference that everyone lives happily everafter in some cyborg paradise.
6) What are the drawbacks? There must be some.

Unfortunately, the game dialogue explains none of this. And frankly, that is all that counts.

Modifié par Motherlander, 02 juin 2012 - 11:29 .

[Heeden]

Edit: double post

Modifié par Heeden, 02 juin 2012 - 03:44 .

[Heeden]

Motherlander wrote...

For example when the Catalyst says synthesis is a "new DNA" and "the final evolution of life", the OP seems
to be saying that the Catalyst doesn't actually mean to use these terms.

So the OP says that Synthesis is not a new DNA an that it can't be the final evolution of life even though the Catalyst says it.

The Catalyst's actual words are "The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life in to a new framework. A new...DNA." There are a lot of people saying the pause before DNA is barely perceptible but it is there in the sub-titles.

People seem to think this translates as "organic life-forms will have their DNA
rewritten to somehow make them part-synthetic", but the "new DNA" is made out of organic and synthetic life, classic DNA is made out of chemicals. It has to be speaking an analogy (unless you envision all the various races linking arms in to giant, spirally chains); the "new DNA"will dictate the development of galactic society the same way our DNA dictates thew shape of our bodies.

The idea of the galaxy being arranged in to a galactic "super-organism" (and I hope you understand
that concept and are not imagining a huge pile of flesh like some other posters) could be considered the final evolution of life because beyond that stage there is no further to go, of course it could be wrong because there is always the chance of creating higher forms of life through cluster or super-cluster scale "mega-organisms" (note in real life a cluster is a grouping of galaxies).

It doesn't mean "life-forms will no longer evolve in to different forms", it was referring to quantum-leap style developments, not variations.

So I am afraid I can only understand Synthesis withing this context in that a new form of DNA has been created and that it is perceived to be ultimate evolution.

Then you won't be able to understand Synthesis. Analogies are often important in this typeof space-opera as we don't have adequate words to describe these kinds of concepts, you often have to imagine things like "your body is a cell
and society is an organism" or "you are the forest and the creatures are
bacteria in your gut".

1) How does Synthesis actually take place (other than the present space magic)?

It won't happen without Space Magic, but it's the kind of Space Magic exhibited by Asari psychics and the Thorian, as well as following similar lines to Turian spiritual beliefs.

2) What is the effect on organics?

The ability to operate on a higher, communal level like the Geth's consensus.

3) What is the effect on synthetics?

The ability to be "alive" (like Legion before sacrificing himself and EDI).

4) What is the effect on the technology in general?

Non-livingmaterials are not mentioned so I'm guessing nothing, although there may be some philisophical notions about how complex machinery has to get to be "alive".

5) Why is it a good thing? What are the tangible benefits apart from the vague inference that everyone lives
happily everafter in some cyborg paradise.

The ability for Synthetics and Organics to empathise with each other, the creation of a more just society.

6) What are the drawbacks? There must be some.

Some loss of free-will, although this is the case whenever an individual becomes part of a greater whole, i.e.  civilisation could not exist at all without some loss of free-will. Also a good chance of stagnation as society runs out of challenges to push against.

Unfortunately, the game dialogue explains none of this. And frankly, that is all that counts.

I think the problem is the writers weren't entirely sure what concepts their audience were familiar with, if you had zero-exposure to sci-fi and popular science the entire series would be complete nonsense. I don't remember any in-depth discussion of what an e-democracy is or how a genophage works but I'm familiar enough with the ideas that they easilly fit in to the story, especially as ME has lots of non-subtle allusions to other space opera.

Modifié par Heeden, 02 juin 2012 - 03:43 .

[Motherlander]

@Heeden - Thanks for trying to bring some clarity to some of my objections.

The most useful part of your response is your short answers to my six questions. They do make sense and it is amazing that the writers didn't try to do the same exercise to explain the concept of Synthesis.

I feel I understand the transformation for Synthetics a lot better now that you described them as "alive".

Thinking about it, I think understand what this means for synthetics. It effectively means that they develop a soul and a sense of individuality.

This also means they can probably feel emotions like hate, love, fear and pride. It may also give them a concept of mortality. Concepts that are alien to them. Ironocally, it also means that they are probably LESS conected to the Geth concensus, reducing one of the main advantages of Synthetics over organics

So the geth move from being like terminators to being more like the droids in Star Wars with their own individuality.

In other words they systhesis allows them to reach the goal that Data from Star Trek wants to achieve.

In many ways synthesis for organics is more difficult grasp. I understand this in two ways. 1) The ability to connect to a concensus in some way and 2) The ability to exist outside the original body. However, I would expect these additional ability to be limited in nature.

I think the best way to see how it would work in practice is to look at the movie Avatar.

I think the networking would make sense if it could work in a similar way to Avatar. Organics can now link up to a concensus if they want to share common information like the na'vi can do. However, like in Avatar, the link is limited. It is not a permanent link, it is voluntary for the most part, and the network will probably be restrcited in some ways either to a specific group/planet, etc. In fact, in many cases, connection to the network may not be available at all.

Again, it would be possible just like in Avatar to transfer the soul of a person from one body or another. However, just like in Avatar, I would expect the process to be risk and not guaranteed of success.

If it was too easy to change body, then the everyone would become immortal, which cannot be regarded as a good thing. Because then everyone would eventually become synthetic and the prediction of the catalyst would come true even with Synthesis.

Likewise for Synthetics, I would also expect them to be more attached to individual units. So if their body dies while the sould is within, then that individual synthetic dies.

So in summary, the changes are more subtle than before. They basic effect is to even out the capacities of Synthetics and organics so that sythetics can no longer dominate organics.

Organics get a limited ability to network and tranfer bodies. But neither of these things happen automatically and must be consciously activated to occur. In fact, both abilities may only work with the additon of further technology. So for all organics, the immediate difference of synthesis is imperceptible. And in fact the the limits and benefits of the new ability are still to be doscovered. And they may be stronger in some individuals and not in others.

On the other hand, synthetics suffer a big disadvantage in that they develop concepts of individuality and mortality. This makes them more selfish and reduces the effectiviness of the concensus. They can also now feel fear and pain, but also compassion.

In exchange, synthetics can now experience positive things like pleasure and love (making the relationship between Joker and EdI more significant). And they can also feel beauty (and indeed horror). This again makes them more individualistic, bt also makes them more likely to empathise with organics.

In fact, in these terms, synethesis would have a more profund effect on synthetics than organics.

For organics, little would change, especially in the short term. The Lazarus project has already demonstarted that a peson can be brought back to life. And technologically advanced organics already network via the media. So Synthesis would only allow facilitation of this.

So if Synthesis had been exposes in the above terms, I could probably accept that. However, because there is no information on it, for all I know Synthesis could mean something completely different.

My main objection to Synthesis is that the writers did not discuss the subject in the dialogue or the Codex during the game. And for such a hugely critical plot elemt they should have done.

Your observations or the Catalyst's dialogue is interesting. But having thought about it, it I am not convinced it is critical. I think the Catalyst is sincere, but is fallible. It is a machine that thinks it is it knows everyhing, but doesn't. So what it says in the current version dialogue is not that important because it explains nothing and is not very useful.

Finally, I don't object to the space magic. I would just like some invented explanation on how it works that is convincing in the context of the ME Universe.

Modifié par Motherlander, 03 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[Ieldra]

@Motherlander, Heeden:
Thank you for your very interesting thoughts about this. I'm increasingly convinced that the ability for mental networking similar to the way the geth do must be one of the effects of the Synthesis. Whether that results in some super-organism or just enables the option to go there at a time of our choosing (which I would obviously prefer) stands to reason, but it makes sense as a basic component on several levels. There are also three different scenarios where this is posited as a basic component: my scenario, Heeden's scenario and Siduris's in the Unofficial Epilogue Slides.

Apart from that, Heeden's scenario looks like the "emerging noosphere" in the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin, which has sometimes been used in SF as a possible development path of intelligent life. Synthesis retains some transcendentalist undertones, which also fits.

I agree with you, Motherlander, that it's a major flaw that the writers didn't foreshadow Synthesis in any way apart from a little exchange on transhumanism Shepard has with EDI, and that large parts of the description are outright nonsensical. I hope for a description which, though vague, at least makes sense in the Extended Cut.

I'll get back to this at a later time.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 juin 2012 - 05:03 .

[Taboo]

I think quite a bit of your issues fall on the proper lack of foreshadowing. The issue you Synthesis people have is the closest comparison people can make is Saren.

You can imagine why people are so sheepish about it, regardless of moral dilemmas.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I think quite a bit of your issues fall on the proper lack of foreshadowing. The issue you Synthesis people have is the closest comparison people can make is Saren.

You can imagine why people are so sheepish about it, regardless of moral dilemmas.

I can understand that, yes.

However, fiction is full of villains who have basically excellent ideas, but become villains through the methods they choose to achieve them. Say, you want to reduce Earth's population which is a good goal but killing every second human just isn't acceptable. That's the way I see Saren. His idea of "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither" is a good one, but the idea of using the Reapers to get there isn't exactly sane. Using the Crucible is very different, but by making the creator of the cycle explain its functions to us the writers have re-created the unfortunate association. It takes some emotional detachment to get around that, and if you aren't attracted  to the idea in the first place you are unlikely to invest the mental work.

The association with Saren is easily countered by the fact that the merit of an idea is independent from the morality of those who support it, but that, too, takes some emotional detachment to accept.

[Taboo]

That's the issue, emotional detachment. It's very hard for people to do that. People have always associated Saren within the narrative as bad and that's why the issue is there.

It's a psychological aspect of the narrative that Bioware didn't address, which is why there are so many issues. It would be really nice to have those things but ethical problems aside a great deal of people are always going to associate it with Saren because it's the only example they have to go on.

What they could do, however, is provide a DLC or something that would explain the possibility in much greater detail.

The fact of the matter is, is that regardless of whatever moral objections one might have, the fact that a majority of BSN users still think that Synthesis turns people into Husks means that they failed as storytellers.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The only examples of synthesis we've seen in game are from Saren, the Collectors, discussions with Mordin Solus. This is what we have to go by. I do not believe the catalyst to be a benevolent entity. Quite the contrary, It is going to twist what ever it can to its advantage.

This is why it decided to destroy the mass relays in all choices. Notice where all the fleets are located. Reapers travel at 30 ly/day and apparently can travel years at FTL without needing to discharge. Fleet ships need to land every two days to discharge except for the largest dreadnoughts.

That is why it added destruction of ALL synthetic life, including the Geth, to the Destroy ending and not just have it destroy "us".

That is why it said "Do you THINK you can control US?" in the control ending, then when you asked "But the reapers will obey me?" It replied, "Yes." The reapers will, but the reapers are also Its toys so they also will obey It. Prepare for an eternal battle of wills for control.

So I think it will do whatever it can to screw over Synthesis to its advantage as well. You will become servants. More toys for Starbrat.

Do not trust it.

[Ieldra]

@sH0tgUn:
You forget that the Catalyst didn't create the three options and their effects. The Crucible did. The Catalyst just explains them to us. It's the writers' mouthpiece, nothing more, a vessel to tell us what we can do in an interactive way instead of making us do something boring like reading the Crucible manual.

Also, read my OP to see my reasoning for why we can take the Catalyst at face value.

[Taboo]

The Catalyst isn't lying to you.

He is fallible though, at least until Bioware gives him more to say.

Until then, he's, well just an AI with an opinion on something.

[MisterJB]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The only examples of synthesis we've seen in game are from Saren, the Collectors, discussions with Mordin Solus.

And Shepard. And the quarians. And pretty much anyone that puts technology in one's body to improve oneself. The little chips everyone puts on their fingers to interact with holographic interfaces could be seen as a form of Synthesis.

[Taboo]

I think the issue is that the controversy exists at all. The presentation was poor, which is why we have this issue.

[Heeden]

Motherlander wrote...

Again, it would be possible just like in Avatar to transfer the soul of a person from one body or another. However, just like in Avatar, I would expect the process to be risk and not guaranteed of success.

If it was too easy to change body, then the everyone would become immortal, which cannot be regarded as a good thing. Because then everyone would eventually become synthetic and the prediction of the catalyst would come true even with Synthesis.

I think the potential for immortality would exist without Synthesis; either through a series of incarnations, genetic tinkering or cybernetic implants. One would hope a society mature enough to develop such technologies would also embrace a world view that includes death as part of the natural cycle of life. Either way, I think the way the galaxy handles such a conundrum is far outside what we can expect from the ME story.

For organics, little would change, especially in the short term. The Lazarus project has already demonstarted that a peson can be brought back to life. And technologically advanced organics already network via the media. So Synthesis would only allow facilitation of this.

I imagine something like this,

From: Shiala

Dear Commander Shepard:

I don't know if you've seen the articles, but the people of Zhu's Hope
are fighting again. This time it's the Reapers instead of the geth.

I'm not sure if you remember me, but you helped me back on lllium. The
Thorian is dead now. I can confirm that. But the spores in our bodies
remain, and on some level, we are still connected.

This is not necessarily a bad thing. As we fight back the Reapers, we
feel each other, and act with one mind, ignoring pain when the need
arises. I'm sure I'm still indoctrinated. I remember Sovereign's voice
in my mind when I went willingly to the Thorian as its thrall. But my
connection to the people of Zhu's Hope is stronger. It drowns out the
Reaper voices.

This situation is imperfect, and dangerous. Perhaps the colonists should
separate, for their own safety. But with one mind, the untrained fight
with the skill of veteran commandos. Our force is strong.

I have not forgotten how you helped us, how you spared me. We are
leaving Feros soon, and when the time comes, we will fight with you.

Shiala

Operating on a scale like this;

Turians believe that groups and areas have "spirits" that transcend
the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have
a literal spirit that embodies the honor and courage it has displayed. A
city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its
residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility
of the area it grows within.
These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to
for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world,
but spirits can inspire the living. Prayers and rituals allow an
individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For
example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested may appeal to the spirit
of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honor of the group. A
turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with
the spirit of a beautiful location.

To be a little like this;

According to Legion, who may join the squad during Mass Effect 2, each geth is made up of hundreds of programs equivalent to VIs, all operating in parallel with one another to form a kind of emergent intelligence described by EDI
as "a thousand voices talking at once". An individual geth is thus more
of a "mobile platform" than an actual body; the programs that make up
its consciousness are constantly being transferred and downloaded; the
mind operating one of these "mobile platforms" might just as easily
inhabit a starship body should it need to. Most of the time geth
programs can be found residing in server hubs, which function as
something akin to the organic equivalent of a city, and can run millions
of geth in communion.

I'm not suggesting a group of organics would share the level of direct communication individual geth programs do, but I remember Legion perceiving the Normandy as a single "platform", with crew members being both individuals and part of the collective. Just like programs in a Geth platform, individual crew members can transfer in and out, or the whole crew can move to a different platform. I see Synthesis cementing this relationship so groups bond in a similar way to the Zhu's Hopes colonists, more empathic than telepathic.

Your observations or the Catalyst's dialogue is interesting. But having thought about it, it I am not convinced it is critical. I think the Catalyst is sincere, but is fallible. It is a machine that thinks it is it knows everyhing, but doesn't. So what it says in the current version dialogue is not that important because it explains nothing and is not very useful.

I agree the Catalyst is fallible, and certainly terms like "final evolution of life" are open to a lot of interpretation (which the Catalyst could be wrong about anyway) but I really wanted to highlight it is very unlikely his mentioning "a new...DNA" is supposed to imply actual changes to the genetic structure of organics.

Finally, I don't object to the space magic. I would just like some invented explanation on how it works that is convincing in the context of the ME Universe.

I strip it back to basics,

Add your energy to the crucibles.
Everything you are will be absorbed and then sent out.
The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life in to a new framework. A new...DNA.

Taking it literally, Shepard's life-force permeates the galaxy and connects everyone to everyone else (psychic wi-fi). We know ME's space magic allows life-energy to transfer information from the Protheans, this could create a tangible version of the Turian's philosophy, bond organic groups like the Zhu's Hope colonists and make an organic equivalent to Geth platforms.

Modifié par Heeden, 03 juin 2012 - 11:13 .

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I think the issue is that the controversy exists at all. The presentation was poor, which is why we have this issue.

Indeed. The execution of the ending was abysmally retarded. If my hypothesis is true, they simplified things because they thought the dumb masses wouldn't understand the singularity version, but they simplified so far that everything ceased to make sense. And the statement from the Final Hours app that we "don't need to know" I find insulting. I do need to know. Know what it's all about, the backstory, the motivations, in as much detail as possible, that's why I started the story. To decipher the mysteries of this fictional universe.

We'll see what the EC has to say about all this.

[anonymous137]

Not sure if this had already been discussed, but didn't Javik mention a race in his cycle attempting something similar to synthesis and running into trouble from it? If I remember right, the synthetic part of them took over or something.

[Ieldra]

anonymous137 wrote...
Not sure if this had already been discussed, but didn't Javik mention a race in his cycle attempting something similar to synthesis and running into trouble from it? If I remember right, the synthetic part of them took over or something.

Yes. That happened because of Reaper interference.

[Taboo]

anonymous137 wrote...

Not sure if this had already been discussed, but didn't Javik mention a race in his cycle attempting something similar to synthesis and running into trouble from it? If I remember right, the synthetic part of them took over or something.

I think they were AI actually.

They called them..Zha'Til or something.

The issue the Catalyst presents is that it WILL happen. It may not occur for a million years, but he is convinced it will. This is the issue Synthesis proposes to resolve, by making Organics  the.....equals of Synthetics the gap will no longer exist, or something.

But what's to stop a Synthesized Synthetic from creating a singularity? Did we address that? I forget.

All I know is that the Star Gazer scene occurs in all of the endings and that it takes place ten thousand years in the future. One might Hypothosize that using the destroyed Crucible parts, we could create such things later if it truly does become an issue. We'd have to put it up to a vote though.

[frylock23]

anonymous137 wrote...

Not sure if this had already been discussed, but didn't Javik mention a race in his cycle attempting something similar to synthesis and running into trouble from it? If I remember right, the synthetic part of them took over or something.

The Zha and Zha-til. At some point the synthetic bits made the organic bits into slaves. In effect, they became Borg.

[frylock23]

Even if the synthesis ending makes everyone into a galactic consciousness or "super-organism," I still can't justify it. The concept of violation of consent is still a bridge too far. Additionally, I don't think I want to live as part of a galactic consciousness. I'm an individual, an extremely private individual. I don't like other people very much, and suddenly being forced to be uplinked to every other mind out there as part of a great transcendent consciousness would suck. As it is, I don't have a personal cell phone for just that very reason.

[Taboo]

 I don't like the idea of a super organism either. I don't think that that is what Ieldra is going for here.

Peter Gabriel explains why linked brains would be VERY bad here in Here Comes the Flood.

No privacy or anything. Oh God.

When the flood calls
You have no home, you have no walls
In the thunder crash
You're a thousand minds, within a flash
Don't be afraid to cry at what you see
The actors gone, there's only you and me
And if we break before the dawn, they'll
use up what we used to be.

I don't like that idea. Like, one bit.

[RedTail F22]

This may be a stupid question but I would appreciate an answer if anyone has one.

Even if Synthesis is supposed to end the synthetic and organic conflict, wont there still be a good chance that there will be conflict between those who were once organic and those who were once synthetic?

After seeing the ending it's pretty obvious to tell who was once synthetic or organic as physical appearance didn't change too much. Who is to say that synthesis will really stop this conflict?