DrZann wrote...
Who said the toe is going to be on your foot?Taboo-XX wrote...
DrZann wrote...
It's impossible to be dead serious...with an extra toe.
Polydactyly is serious.
It can cause problems for peoples feet.
Giving someone an extra toe isn't just unethical, it's just a dick move.
Depends upon what you want to use it for?Taboo-XX wrote...
DrZann wrote...
Who said the toe is going to be on your foot?Taboo-XX wrote...
DrZann wrote...
It's impossible to be dead serious...with an extra toe.
Polydactyly is serious.
It can cause problems for peoples feet.
Giving someone an extra toe isn't just unethical, it's just a dick move.
Will it be a functioning toe?
Taboo-XX wrote...
Will it be a functioning toe?
Taboo-XX wrote...
We have no idea what they are. A gestalt consciousness is my best guess. I won't set them free because it would make a very precarious situation.
Much like in Doctor Who, when some Cybermen realized what they were. The Doctor found it more ethical to put such a being out of it's misery. I cannot fathom the guilt of a freed being. Imagine millions of minds calling out in pain. Unpleasant.
Do you remember that scene with Liara? That's what I mean. That's the kind of legacy I want to leave behind.
I may be a hero to others but I don't think my Shepard feels that way. That is what I meant.
People will ALWAYS misconstrue things to warp their agendas, but in time, I feel that people will choose not to be violent, much like they are now. There will always be fuddy duddies, but I can't imagine EVERYONE becoming a monster can you?
My Shepard still has a lot to say and a lot to do.
Heeden wrote...
The end results of Destroy and Control are also head-canoned. Any of them could end in a golden age or a dark age - it's your Shepard, your galaxy and your story.Here’s the thing, once again. I don’t care what you headcanon says about Synthesis. Whatever works for you is fine. What is not fine is comparing your headcanon Synthesis to non-headcanoned Destroy and Control.
Incorrect.
Results, reprecussions? Ultimately yes. Mechanics? No. Destroy, as stated by the game, will destroy the Reapers, and some assortment of synthetics. Control places Shepard or some Shepard-like program in charge of the Reapers. Both are very clear-cut.
Destroy sprinkles Eezo throughout the galaxy from Reaper power cores, everyone dies from exposure.
Control gives Shepard the exact same information and processing power the Reapers had and he comes to the conclusion the cycle must continue, only now the Reapers now how to evolve and adapt. The galaxy falls rapidly.
Congratulations - Synthesis was the only way to save the galaxy and you blew it because of you're a glowing-kidaphobe.
I can't tell you anything about Synthesis because you're openly hostile to the idea and refuse to see how it could be possible.You can’t even tell me who Synthesis affects.
Handwavey pseudointellectualism may work on some audiences. It doesn’t work on me.
It works on people who have an interest in speculative science fiction, which is how a decent chunk of us experienced Mass Effect.
Modifié par lillitheris, 20 juin 2012 - 09:43 .
Heeden wrote...
I wouldn't need to be there, when faced with enslavement or genocide my Shepard would alway have to have a damned good reason not to take another option even if it is a step in to the unknown. For the record (and for the umpteenth time) my Shepard chose destroy, not because Synthesis is inherently bad but because up-lift can cause as many problems as it gives solutions. None of the choices have an inherently good or bad outcome, it's all down to what you consider will be best for the future.
Modifié par lillitheris, 20 juin 2012 - 09:45 .
lillitheris wrote...
Heeden wrote...
I wouldn't need to be there, when faced with enslavement or genocide my Shepard would alway have to have a damned good reason not to take another option even if it is a step in to the unknown. For the record (and for the umpteenth time) my Shepard chose destroy, not because Synthesis is inherently bad but because up-lift can cause as many problems as it gives solutions. None of the choices have an inherently good or bad outcome, it's all down to what you consider will be best for the future.
Sidestep, I don’t care what your Shepard chose. I asked you a very clear question, but let me reformulate it to account for your choice:
If you were there next to Shepard, instead of choosing one of the two options with known immediate outcomes (Destroy or Control), and you advised that he or she select Synthesis, whose effects you do not know and can only guess at, which you cannot explain at all let alone in any detail, or offer any kind of assurance that it actually does anything to prevent this synthetic-organic conflict it is supposedly solving? This is based on your statements here in this thread.
Do you believe that Shepard would take that advice?
Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juin 2012 - 11:01 .
If we imagine the circuitry as being protein based I think it makes more sense. But nanobots, also made of organic base materials, would be very necessary to maintain and repair the circuitry.Ieldra2 wrote...
Here's some interesting speculation about what the Extended Cut might contain, including a Synthesis scenario.
Bioware will play it safe. Here's my Extended Cut possible outcome.
The technical details of the Synthesis scenario in that thread sheds some light on why I came up with mine. It says that organics start to grow circuitry to enhance peoples' bodies and brains and connect to a galaxy-wide consciousness while retaining individuality. I have some problem with the notion of organic bodies somehow being able to grow circuitry, which is why I came up with the synthetic nanotech symbionts who would serve the same functionality in a slightly different way.
All in all, the post has some odd stuff but also things worth thinking about. I've edited the OP to include a link to the thread.
Modifié par DrZann, 20 juin 2012 - 11:33 .
lillitheris wrote...
Sidestep, I don’t care what your Shepard chose. I asked you a very clear question, but let me reformulate it to account for your choice:
If you were there next to Shepard, instead of choosing one of the two options with known immediate outcomes (Destroy or Control), and you advised that he or she select Synthesis, whose effects you do not know and can only guess at, which you cannot explain at all let alone in any detail, or offer any kind of assurance that it actually does anything to prevent this synthetic-organic conflict it is supposedly solving? This is based on your statements here in this thread.
Do you believe that Shepard would take that advice?
lillitheris wrote...
Sidestep, and a rather pathetic one at that. I had higher hopes for your sidesteps. If you read the quote that you were trying to sidestep, you’ll note that I specifically avoided the parts post-ending.
Also, you don‘t actually die from eezo exposure. Just FYI, but facts and actual information or data have very little to do with your reasoning anyway.
How does Synthesis work, Heeden?
Sidestep. You don’t know how it is possible. You also side-stepped the question about opting out. And every other question I posed to you. It’s quite hard to accept an idea when the advocates have no f— clue how it would actually work.
It’s so tiresome to see someone who thinks they can get away with just weaseling out of everything. Your efforts at avoiding responsibility are hilariously transparent.
You know nothing, Heeden, and it’s scary that you advocate a choice based on your ignorance.
Modifié par Heeden, 20 juin 2012 - 12:44 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
The technical details of the Synthesis scenario in that thread sheds some light on why I came up with mine. It says that organics start to grow circuitry to enhance peoples' bodies and brains and connect to a galaxy-wide consciousness while retaining individuality. I have some problem with the notion of organic bodies somehow being able to grow circuitry, which is why I came up with the synthetic nanotech symbionts who would serve the same functionality in a slightly different way.
All in all, the post has some odd stuff but also things worth thinking about. I've edited the OP to include a link to the thread.
Heeden wrote...
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Anyhow, I don't see the need for us to grow additional. organic circuitry when our body is already riddled with the stuff in the form of nerves.
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Modifié par Vigilant111, 20 juin 2012 - 02:42 .
DrZann wrote...
Heeden wrote...
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Anyhow, I don't see the need for us to grow additional. organic circuitry when our body is already riddled with the stuff in the form of nerves.
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Nerves are great at transmitting simple data (hot, pain, contract, relax) but if you'd want to transmit a thought or an image your going to need some heavier bandwidth.
You know, the kind of psychic communication you'd need is actually present in the ME universe as the kind used by the Rachni. Samantha even speculates about how things could be if that could be replicated, and the only reason I'm using nanotech symbionts instead of something usually associated with organics is that the synthetic aspect must come in from somewhere.Heeden wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
The technical details of the Synthesis scenario in that thread sheds some light on why I came up with mine. It says that organics start to grow circuitry to enhance peoples' bodies and brains and connect to a galaxy-wide consciousness while retaining individuality. I have some problem with the notion of organic bodies somehow being able to grow circuitry, which is why I came up with the synthetic nanotech symbionts who would serve the same functionality in a slightly different way.
All in all, the post has some odd stuff but also things worth thinking about. I've edited the OP to include a link to the thread.
Hehe, I have problems with the beam creating any kind of tech which is why my version functions through good old-fashioned psychic powers :-)
Anyhow, I don't see the need for us to grow additional. organic circuitry when our body is already riddled with the stuff in the form of nerves.
His Synthesis ideas are indeed very interesting and well thought out, they share aspects of Gaia from Foundation and the Cryptosphere in Feersum Endjinn which is the path I could imagine Synthesis creating.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I think Psychic is the wrong word.
We're getting into pseudo-science now, not speculative. Don't start grouping Synthesis into the same area as crystal healing and magnet healing.
There's a better word out there for you.
Heeden wrote...
DrZann wrote...
Heeden wrote...
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Anyhow, I don't see the need for us to grow additional. organic circuitry when our body is already riddled with the stuff in the form of nerves.
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Nerves are great at transmitting simple data (hot, pain, contract, relax) but if you'd want to transmit a thought or an image your going to need some heavier bandwidth.
Transmission power is the problem, but that can be solved by a powerful receiver which is what I suggest Shepard's life-force will be used as.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I think Psychic is the wrong word.
We're getting into pseudo-science now, not speculative. Don't start grouping Synthesis into the same area as crystal healing and magnet healing.
There's a better word out there for you.
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