9089 réponses à ce sujet

[Shaigunjoe]

lillitheris wrote...

That’s a very interesting view — and interesting post — Nimrodell. It’s so good that I am loath to point out that it’s completely OOC or metagaming.

Again, I certainly have no grudge against anyone who in their own game chooses whatever it is they choose. I just do not see the in-character justification for the choice, if we compare the three options.

Your viewpoint seems to be that of a very frightened person (edit: talking about your Shep), so it makes that you would cling to destroy.  I'm not saying it is wrong, indeed I think think the ending choices were designed to make synthesis a scarier choice.  My Shep felt the benefits of creating a new framework of life (which is what I felt the catalyst was saying) would outweigh the dark age brought about by destruction or the risks inherint in control.  The species of the galaxy were able to come together and build the crucible, I thought they were ready for synthesis, and I certainly didn't want to punish them for it.

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 22 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[Nimrodell]

lillitheris wrote...

That’s a very interesting view — and interesting post — Nimrodell. It’s so good that I am loath to point out that it’s completely OOC or metagaming.

Again, I certainly have no grudge against anyone who in their own game chooses whatever it is they choose. I just do not see the in-character justification for the choice, if we compare the three options.

Told ya, it's a curse, still the choice is not defined only by that, only partially, the choice I make is because of who I am and what I know - my Shepard is unfortunatelly stuck with me hehe - can't change that even if I wanted too (ah at least, she has better body and attitude, that has to count for something lol). Ah, but I sincerely enjoy reading this topic, it became sort of a good haven on these boards.

[antares_sublight]

The OP will be disappointed by the lack of explanation and logic around Synthesis. BioWare are not clever enough to make it sound like anything but crazy magic.

[MisterJB]

Synthesis epilogue. Sweet.

[BP20125810]

Just happy that the ITers will finally leave this thread alone, and we'll be given enough evidence to construct an idea on what a synthesis galaxy would be like, because most of it has been conjecture up till now.

[BP20125810]

MisterJB wrote...

Synthesis epilogue. Sweet.

Holy Bataman!  Is the quarian not wearing a helmet!!!  Synthesis FTW!

[Nimrodell]

antares_sublight wrote...

The OP will be disappointed by the lack of explanation and logic around Synthesis. BioWare are not clever enough to make it sound like anything but crazy magic.

Anything's possible, only 3 days left to EC. We'll see what will come out from all choices - and I wouldn't go that far in assuming if BW is clever enough or not, or is all good they did thus far so easily forgotten? Be patient and then choose if you'll gloat with 'I told ya so' or not .

Modifié par Nimrodell, 22 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

If the Catalyst is still a little boy, I might have to throw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Nimrodell]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

If the Catalyst is still a little boy, I might have to throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Lol, muppet, ahahahaha.

[Shaigunjoe]

antares_sublight wrote...

The OP will be disappointed by the lack of explanation and logic around Synthesis. BioWare are not clever enough to make it sound like anything but crazy magic.

If you had read the OP's statements, you would know that lack of explanation is not the problem.

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@lillitheris:
Leaving now, I just wanted to say that this was a much more interesting debate than most we've had in this thread. Trying to bring the RP perspective in line with the storytelling perspective is something I see as a worthwhile endeavor, even though in the end we'll likely have to agree to disagree. As for Control, it's actually *shown* that the Citadel isn't destroyed. You see the arms closing after the Crucible has done its job.

Right, I know that it’s shown — I mean at the time of making the decision when you don’t know it yet. I think the Catalyst implies that the Citadel will survive, but even if it doesn’t, I could see Shep reasoning that with the Reapers under control, they can rebuild it (if he has reason to believe that it might be damaged). We already know that the Crucible can be (re)built.

So, in this view, I think the most logical path would be to go Control, and then, if so desired, rebuild the shebang to jump into Synthesis.

[lillitheris]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

That’s a very interesting view — and interesting post — Nimrodell. It’s so good that I am loath to point out that it’s completely OOC or metagaming.

Again, I certainly have no grudge against anyone who in their own game chooses whatever it is they choose. I just do not see the in-character justification for the choice, if we compare the three options.

Your viewpoint seems to be that of a very frightened person (edit: talking about your Shep), so it makes that you would cling to destroy.  I'm not saying it is wrong, indeed I think think the ending choices were designed to make synthesis a scarier choice.  My Shep felt the benefits of creating a new framework of life (which is what I felt the catalyst was saying) would outweigh the dark age brought about by destruction or the risks inherint in control.  The species of the galaxy were able to come together and build the crucible, I thought they were ready for synthesis, and I certainly didn't want to punish them for it.

A very conservative person. Synthesis sound like it could be a great thing, but there are too many unknowns. Given that there are two alternatives, none of my Shepards would be comfortable making the decision for everyone else. They will prefer to buy time and attempt to solve the problem (if it indeed exists) by other means.

A familiar enemy is better than an unfamiliar one.

[ThaneKriosIsBoss]

Honestly, the biggest problem I have with the Synthesis ending is that it is completely against the theme that Mass Effect was pushing for 2.9 games of diversity in the Galaxy.

[Taboo]

Behold.

[Shaigunjoe]

ThaneKriosIsBoss wrote...

Honestly, the biggest problem I have with the Synthesis ending is that it is completely against the theme that Mass Effect was pushing for 2.9 games of diversity in the Galaxy.

We don't know that.  There are tons of ways to interpret this that we have been over ad nauesem that suggest otherwise.

[Taboo]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

ThaneKriosIsBoss wrote...

Honestly, the biggest problem I have with the Synthesis ending is that it is completely against the theme that Mass Effect was pushing for 2.9 games of diversity in the Galaxy.

We don't know that.  There are tons of ways to interpret this that we have been over ad nauesem that suggest otherwise.

I agree.

But it still doesn't remove the issues in ANY of the ending choices.

[Ieldra]

BP20125810 wrote...
Just happy that the ITers will finally leave this thread alone, and we'll be given enough evidence to construct an idea on what a synthesis galaxy would be like, because most of it has been conjecture up till now.

I'm really curious if they'll adress this at all. You'd think since we'll get epilogue scenes, they won't be able to leave this out, but look what they did with the Normandy scene: some suggestive imagery and then nothing. Also to add something is a walk on a knife's edge since IMO the "jump into the unknown" quality should be kept.

For me personally, it's more important that the EC gives some assurance to Shepard (as opposed to me the player) in the Catalyst conversation that the main result is good. Above that, what I hope for is something like the Synthesis interpretation in Siduri's Epilogues.

[webhead921]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I really want the EC to shut up the "everyone is a husk if you choose synthesis" crowd. That is the worst argument ever.

[webhead921]

BP20125810 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Synthesis epilogue. Sweet.

Holy Bataman!  Is the quarian not wearing a helmet!!!  Synthesis FTW!

Is that Tali 

[Nimrodell]

Ah latest video from Bigthink channel is interesting, take a look:
David Eagleman: What Went Wrong With AI?

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
Synthesis epilogue. Sweet.

Is that legit? Where did you get it from?

[sharif227]

Mabe bioware wants to not make normal people head explode with super sciency stuff

[sharif227]

Modifié par sharif227, 23 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[sharif227]

Your Point is invalid there is only one viable option Spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Modifié par sharif227, 23 juin 2012 - 07:31 .

[SebAusFR]

First time poster here... I must say I liked the OP a lot (while for some reasons, I was always distressed by SMAC's Ascension to Transcendence, but, well, that was 12 years ago )

I chose synthesis during my first playthrough and although I did not think initially about the singularity problem, it doesn't feel out of place in ME. I feel that many players dislike it because the whole series is orientated toward building an hatred of the Reapers and synthesis is the only ending that seems to give them a sort of "free pass" for all the atrocities they committed. Thus, I hope the EC gives more details about what happen to them if you go with synthesis...