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#151
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ioannisdenton wrote...

The way i see it. Me3 is SO baddly written compared to the previous games that actually the fan-generated from speculations IT makes sense and bioware should use it ASAP.


That theory, whilst oft-postulated, assumes we are creating IT out of whole cloth. We're not. We are inferring it from in-game evidence. Hence: it was planned and intentional.

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I know it's off topic but, I would like to propose a question...

What is easier to believe?

1) An individual survives an explosion 50 times greater than hiroshima [at ground zero], somehow reenters earths atmosphere unscathed, free falls at around 203kph for over an hour to only land comfortably in some rubble [most conveniently in London], only to brush off the effects of hypoxia and hypothermia so (s)he can take a deep breath.

-or-

2) Said individual never left earth in the first place because they entered into a hallucinatory state due to the final straw of overwhelming mental stress and decay and physical trauma after beging caught in the blast radius of a death-beam.

Links:
http://social.biowar...3/2140#11951474
http://social.biowar...832/50#12081707


After seeing Indiana Jones 4, I'm not so sure

@OP: while Shepard having "London wound" is my favorite part of proving all the scene unreal, I assume it can be just a coincidence. Would like it not to be one though.


haha, well I am assuming Shepard didn't have a 1957 lead-lined refrigerator on hand, but I could be wrong...

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Samtheman63 wrote...

heres some picks after the beam and after marauder shields attacks, there is no injury to shepards stomach area and he clearly isn't touching his side

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It's called inconsistency.

My Shepard is using The Revenant, then all of a sudden, in a cut-scene, he's holding an Avenger.  Inconsistency.

Case and point.

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Yep, first thing I thought of when I saw that was Fight Club. Made it really awesome.

Then the ending happened... smh

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darkchief10 wrote...

does no one remember marauder shields shot you there before you killed him? seriously?


the physics of where our huskified turian friend shot Shep doesn't match.

you get shot and snap back and to the left (thank you JFK... i can finally use that line)... which happens if you get shot in the shoulder.

when you get shot in the belly, you double over, if not collapse on your face completely.

probably just poor storyboarding on the part of the devs, but its still nice to fantasize that it really is part of indoc theory... better than just throwing my hands up, sobbing crocodile tears and screaming "bioware, how could you?!"

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Tre.will wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

heres some picks after the beam and after marauder shields attacks, there is no injury to shepards stomach area and he clearly isn't touching his side

Image IPB Image IPB
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It's called inconsistency.

My Shepard is using The Revenant, then all of a sudden, in a cut-scene, he's holding an Avenger.  Inconsistency.

Case and point.

Actually that's called deliberation. In the UE3 there's a command that forces those weapons to be used during a cinematic. The reason they do it is because some people might only play through with a shotgun or SMG equipped, so the UE3 has a command to force an Avenger or a Predator because it would look pretty stupid if Shepard was to use a shotgun to aim at long distance targets or a sniper rifle on someone standing next to him.

Another example of this piece of code being used, is when the developers forced a Carnifex when Shepard shoots Mordin at Tuchanka, the reason being that Mordin handed Shepard a Carnifex in ME2 as a sign of goodwill between the two and it played to that symbolism.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 23 mai 2012 - 03:17 .


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Salient Archer wrote...

Tre.will wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

heres some picks after the beam and after marauder shields attacks, there is no injury to shepards stomach area and he clearly isn't touching his side

Image IPB Image IPB
Image IPB Image IPB


It's called inconsistency.

My Shepard is using The Revenant, then all of a sudden, in a cut-scene, he's holding an Avenger.  Inconsistency.

Case and point.

Actually that's called deliberation. In the UE3 there's a command that forces those weapons to be used during a cinematic. The reason they do it is because some people might only play through with a shotgun or SMG equipped, so the UE3 has a command to force an Avenger or a Predator because it would look pretty stupid if Shepard was to use a shotgun to aim at long distance targets or a sniper rifle on someone standing next to him.

Another example of this piece of code being used, is when the developers forced a Carnifex when Shepard shoots Mordin at Tuchanka, the reason being that Mordin handed Shepard a Carnifex in ME2 as a sign of goodwill between the two and it played to that symbolism.


Bioware is one of my favorite game developers.  But, you are giving them too much credit.

In the scene where you confront Miranda's father; Miranda's face is cut and bruised, but several shots in that entire sequence have her without any cuts and bruises.  Oversight.  Inconsistency.  Call what you will.  It is in thousands of games and will continue to be in thousands of games.  There are alot of things that support IT, however, Shepard's side wound is not one of them.

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Tre.will wrote...

Bioware is one of my favorite game developers.  But, you are giving them too much credit.

In the scene where you confront Miranda's father; Miranda's face is cut and bruised, but several shots in that entire sequence have her without any cuts and bruises.  Oversight.  Inconsistency.  Call what you will.  It is in thousands of games and will continue to be in thousands of games.  There are alot of things that support IT, however, Shepard's side wound is not one of them.


Not saying that IT is true, but assuming that it is for a moment, and the EC comes out and completely validates it as being true and the story continues on from Shepard's 'breath'. After that happens, there will be interviews with Bioware when they can FINALLY be candid and talk openly about their plan. And the interviewer will ask: "What clues did you put in that IT was true?" and they will say, well, obviously the breath, and the Normandy crash, and the trees at the conduit, and the reflections in the crucible room. And they will definitely say that when you shot Andersen, you got the wound. It was one of the first moments of 'unreality' where you first got an inkling that things weren't quite right. I mean, there is no question of this- if IT is true, that wound is a BIG sign that it is. 

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I'm pretty sure the gun wound is not lazy writing but deliberate. It caught my eye right away. It was a "waaaaait a minute" moment, and a deliberate element to make you consider if what you are seeing is "Actually" happening or not. On it's own it does not proven IT, but it a symbolic moment deliberately put into the game.

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Seriously, does no-one remember the GIANT RED BEAM OF DEATH THAT FRIED YOUR WHOLE BODY.
Honestly, its not that hard. Endings can still be taken at face value TYVM

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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

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This little fragment cannot be dismissed as lazy design/writing on BioWare's part.

Sure it can; I'm doing it right now.


This.

It is what it is.

It happens at various points in the rest of the game, it's not that hard to believe that it's at the end.

Well that, and, he was in an explosion that blew off most of his armor. I'm sure he got at least a few cuts.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 23 mai 2012 - 08:54 .


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My femshep grabbed her side in pain before entering the beam, I don't think the wound was from the gunshot on the Citadel but on the battlefield instead.

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Destructorlio wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

The way i see it. Me3 is SO baddly written compared to the previous games that actually the fan-generated from speculations IT makes sense and bioware should use it ASAP.


That theory, whilst oft-postulated, assumes we are creating IT out of whole cloth. We're not. We are inferring it from in-game evidence. Hence: it was planned and intentional.

That theory says only that you are basing IT off speculations - 100% true.

There is no empirical evidence for it, but there are speculations that support it. "inferring from in-game evidence" is speculation. It is infered from in game evidence that the Relays destroy the whole galaxy. That doesn't happen though, and that is viewed as speculation by some fans. The same can be said of IT, though there is no confirmation of whether it is true or not.

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Tre.will wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Tre.will wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

heres some picks after the beam and after marauder shields attacks, there is no injury to shepards stomach area and he clearly isn't touching his side

*image snip*


It's called inconsistency.

My Shepard is using The Revenant, then all of a sudden, in a cut-scene, he's holding an Avenger.  Inconsistency.

Case and point.

Actually that's called deliberation. In the UE3 there's a command that forces those weapons to be used during a cinematic. The reason they do it is because some people might only play through with a shotgun or SMG equipped, so the UE3 has a command to force an Avenger or a Predator because it would look pretty stupid if Shepard was to use a shotgun to aim at long distance targets or a sniper rifle on someone standing next to him.

Another example of this piece of code being used, is when the developers forced a Carnifex when Shepard shoots Mordin at Tuchanka, the reason being that Mordin handed Shepard a Carnifex in ME2 as a sign of goodwill between the two and it played to that symbolism.


Bioware is one of my favorite game developers.  But, you are giving them too much credit.

In the scene where you confront Miranda's father; Miranda's face is cut and bruised, but several shots in that entire sequence have her without any cuts and bruises.  Oversight.  Inconsistency.  Call what you will.  It is in thousands of games and will continue to be in thousands of games.  There are alot of things that support IT, however, Shepard's side wound is not one of them.


I didn't think I was trying to give them any credit but I do hear you loud and clear as far as the crap texture popping and image glitches that have plagued the series from the start [not to mention the rape faces].

I'm just saying how the Unreal Engine 3 handles those scripted moments when Shepard magically switches his Revenant for an Avenger or seems to pull a handgun out of nowhere even though you never equipped one. It’s actually a piece of coding that has to be intentionally done and the only reason they do it is because it’s easier to force a Predator or Avenger for a scripted scene that needs a gun of that type rather than for the engine to hunt down exactly which pistol or assault riffle you have in your arsenal [if any].

If your equipped weapons do happen to carry over into a scene it’s purely because the scene doesn’t require anything specific and hence the forced weapon coding hasn’t been used.

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Baa Baa wrote...

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does no one remember marauder shields shot you there before you killed him? seriously?

Yeah, but people have reason to believe it wasn't from that shot.
1: Marauder Shields shot you in the right shoulder, not left side of your body.
2: He suddenly starts bleeding when Anderson dies, he doesn't bleed excessively before hand for some reason.

I tend to agree ! but : Anderson leans to his right, as he was shot in right side, however If I recall correctly  he holds his left hand to left side :unsure: . I wonder if it was done on purpose to throw us off the track or just was badly done.Quality check was not this game's strongest point.

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Joccaren wrote...

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There is no empirical evidence for it, but there are speculations that support it. "inferring from in-game evidence" is speculation
(...) 



Empirical evidence for fiction?

Now that's a new one.

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Bill Casey wrote...

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You do understand Shepard shot Anderson's right side, and Shepard is bleeding from the left side?


Anderson clutches his left abdomen when he gets shot...

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Yes, but  why   leans to his right then ? Also Shepard seems to lean to his right after shooting Anderson. Bad writing or no quality  check  ?

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dr888 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

You do understand Shepard shot Anderson's right side, and Shepard is bleeding from the left side?


Anderson clutches his left abdomen when he gets shot...

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Yes, but  why   leans to his right then ? Also Shepard seems to lean to his right after shooting Anderson. Bad writing or no quality  check  ?

why would you put pressure on the hurt side of your body?

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Actually, I remembered Conrad Verner grabbed his face when he got shot in the foot. I wonder what that tells us.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 23 mai 2012 - 02:26 .


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Destructorlio wrote...

Not saying that IT is true, but assuming that it is for a moment, and the EC comes out and completely validates it as being true and the story continues on from Shepard's 'breath'. After that happens, there will be interviews with Bioware when they can FINALLY be candid and talk openly about their plan. And the interviewer will ask: "What clues did you put in that IT was true?" and they will say, well, obviously the breath, and the Normandy crash, and the trees at the conduit, and the reflections in the crucible room. And they will definitely say that when you shot Andersen, you got the wound. It was one of the first moments of 'unreality' where you first got an inkling that things weren't quite right. I mean, there is no question of this- if IT is true, that wound is a BIG sign that it is. 

Shepard clearly had the wound before he shot Anderson.

Image of Shep holding his wound:
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Video of Shep holding his wound:
www.youtube.com/watch, at about 2:58.

Modifié par jsadalia, 23 mai 2012 - 03:37 .


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Right so... the wound is reflected on Shepard, but when TIM shoots Anderson, in the head.. somehow Shepard does not get a bullet to the head?

Right... makes sense... let's make speculations that only work 1 way...

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^^Shepard Wins

In ME2? Conrad fell down on floor and actually he was just being chicken about it

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kingpenn wrote...

dr888 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

You do understand Shepard shot Anderson's right side, and Shepard is bleeding from the left side?


Anderson clutches his left abdomen when he gets shot...

Image IPB

Yes, but  why   leans to his right then ? Also Shepard seems to lean to his right after shooting Anderson. Bad writing or no quality  check  ?

why would you put pressure on the hurt side of your body?


Seriously youd just let it bleed? The reason people put pressure on a wound is to staunch the bleeding, if you dont you bleed out.

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I think I posted this is the first IT thread, but Anderson taps Shepard on the left torso in the opening cut scene ("soft around the "edges") and Shepard then touches him/herself there. This may be a coincidence but the wound in the final scene is quite deliberate, IMO. The camera zooms right in.

Modifié par bFootball, 23 mai 2012 - 04:06 .


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Bob3terd wrote...

kingpenn wrote...

dr888 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

You do understand Shepard shot Anderson's right side, and Shepard is bleeding from the left side?


Anderson clutches his left abdomen when he gets shot...

Image IPB

Yes, but  why   leans to his right then ? Also Shepard seems to lean to his right after shooting Anderson. Bad writing or no quality  check  ?

why would you put pressure on the hurt side of your body?


Seriously youd just let it bleed? The reason people put pressure on a wound is to staunch the bleeding, if you dont you bleed out.

lol let me refraise why would lu lean on the injury i dont mean the hand imrefurint to the lean if you eant to move you lean to the side that does not hurt not the side that does in my opinian putting pressure would stop the bleeding you are fight i need to choose words better