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[Jawsomebob]

Explain to me this?

In 3 games Bioware never even gets into the topic of "Shepard" being indoctornated. People around him go to the reaper side but the game never even goes in a direction where it even CONSIDERS shepard even ebing partially indoctrianated.

Why is that?

Why is shepard excluded from indoctronation. He isn't. Do you really think Bioware would end the series without Shepard and why he is able to resist indoctronation being addressed.

Liara, the doctor, joker, anderson...no one ever goes "hey shepard I have been thinking. I am suprised you are unable to be indoctronated. Are you that strong willed? That's amazing!"

The ending addresses this.

[thesnake777]

I think IT is a well thought out explanation. However I dont think thats what happened here.

[alec1898]

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

[Shepard Wins]

Bloody poor moment to address something like this.

[Vapaa]

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

Modifié par Vapaä, 20 mai 2012 - 08:57 .

[BarrelDrago]

Op name all the thing shepard and Saren have in commun.

[NUM13ER]

I'm sorry I don't quite understand how this applies to anti-indoc folks. Do you mean the fact people think Shep is immune to indoctrination is your main beef with them? Or that they don't think he's indoctrinated?

[Lookout1390]

IT was a nicely done theory, with alot of supporting evidence.

Unfortunately the current state of Bioware shows that they are too incompetent to pull off something like IT.

[EsterCloat]

alec1898 wrote...

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

Indeed. If anything, NOT picking any of the options and choosing to fight on would be the "trigger" to "break indoctrination", if anything.

Of course, I find the whole idea of ""breaking indoctrination" as if it were some one time mind control attempt ridiculous so meh.

[Lookout1390]

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

Shepard has spent an awful lot of time being around Reaper tech/devices.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 20 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[TiminatorT2000]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Why is shepard excluded from indoctronation. He isn't. Do you really think Bioware would end the series without Shepard and why he is able to resist indoctronation being addressed.

With the low amount of time Bioware had to make ME3, yes I do think so.

Although it is commented on supirsingly a lot that Shepard has an extrmely strong will.

[EsterCloat]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

It's been quite some time since you've been interacting with Reaper tech/devices.

Arrival can happen without Shepard; it cannot be used for evidence.

Shepard is around indoctrinated people for seconds, maybe minutes, before he usually blows their brains out. He was inside that Reaper for an hour tops. He has been around Reaper influences for a day, at most a day and a half, collectively and I'm being generous.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 20 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[Vapaa]

Lookout1390 wrote...

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

That isn't canon

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

Indoctrinated people dont indoctrinate other people

Shepard has spent an awful lot of time being around Reaper tech/devices.

Just 1 hour, split between the derelict reaper and the human reaper, that's it

[Hadeedak]

Immune to indoctrination? No, don't think so. Not sure if exposed to the point of lucid dreaming? Yeah.

By now, Anderson and most of Earth should have it a lot worse if that's how it works.

[Aaleel]

There are squadmates that have been exposed to almost as much reaper tech as Shepard, especially if Shepard didn't do Arrival.

Hell, I've taken Garrus with me everywhere through 3 games and he shows no symptoms. Oddly Vega, who is probably the only one who hasn't been around a lot of reaper tech is the one that hears the humming lol. Go figure.

Modifié par Aaleel, 20 mai 2012 - 09:07 .

[Lookout1390]

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

That isn't canon

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

Indoctrinated people dont indoctrinate other people

Shepard has spent an awful lot of time being around Reaper tech/devices.

Just 1 hour, split between the derelict reaper and the human reaper, that's it

1. Yes it is

2. Yes they can, go back and play ME1

3. [Citation Needed]

[The Vanquished1]

Nothing is for certain except to say I know what I saw, I know what I heard and I played all three games just like most folk. I sensed some indoctrination going on there at the end. Shepard was obviously shaken and conflicted and given the weirdness of the last few minutes, I'm open to any form of Indoctrination Theory or what have you. I just can't rule it out, doesn't mean it's bogus but I played the game same as anyone else and it just seemed to be the more logical choice, especially given the dreamy state of the whole affair and Anderson, TIM and Shepard all freaking out to weird noises and Shepard getting wounded after shooting Anderson. It's like that damn rabbit in "The Holy Grail" "But Looooook at the Boooooones Man!!"

[GuardianAngel470]

I frankly don't care how plausible the idea is, I think the idea of implementing I.T. is needlessly cruel, greedy, and stupid. If I.T. turned out to be correct and Bioware intentionally released an unfinished product that they let sit for 3 months without so much as a confirmation, it would the last straw for me.

My brother always got on my case for buying ME DLC and about how the companies were just price gouging to nickel and dime me out of more money. I didn't care because I saw it as a way to extend my experience.

If I.T. turned out to be correct it would immediately prove all my brother's claims correct as well. I would have been lied to and sold an incomplete product for $80 and I would immediately stop buying anything from Bioware.

I think the entire idea is horrendous and emblematic of everything wrong with this industry. I do not want it to be true, I really don't care how plausible it is.

[Elysar]

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

Lets count contacts with reaper tech by shepard, over ~3years.
ME1:
-Saren's base on Virmire - like whole pluton of STG is being indoctrinated there, sovereign him self, and some reaper tech
-Citadel - Finale of ME1 lets say shep is under sovereign for good hour or 2 while he fights geth on his way to the tower. Also sovereign/saren skeleton.
ME2:
-Cerberus reconstructed Shep using reaper tech - Thee are like 3 characters in lore with reaper tech in them Kai Leng, his buddy from the books, and shep. 2/3 of them were indoctrinated.
-Derelict reaper.
-Collectors ship/base.
-Object Rho (Optionally).
ME3:
-2 reapers + the ones on earth.
-Tech in rachni lair.
-Some tech in ardat yakshi monastery.
-Cerberus base - place filled with this tech.

[jijeebo]

None of the important good guys get indoctrinated... Plot armor covers enemy mind raping techniques y'know.

[Aaleel]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

That isn't canon

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

Indoctrinated people dont indoctrinate other people

Shepard has spent an awful lot of time being around Reaper tech/devices.

Just 1 hour, split between the derelict reaper and the human reaper, that's it

1. Yes it is

2. Yes they can, go back and play ME1

3. [Citation Needed]

So when the game says Hackett sent in a squad of Commandos to do the task becaue Shepard didn't, it's lying?  Arrival happening is canon, but Shepard being there is not.

[Lookout1390]

EsterCloat wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Why would she be indoctrinated ? It takes days worth of continuous contact with reaper tech to even START loosing sanity.....

You were hit with a Reaper device out in the open in The Arrival.

You've been around countless indoctrinated people, you've been inside a Reaper.

It's been quite some time since you've been interacting with Reaper tech/devices.

Arrival can happen without Shepard; it cannot be used for evidence.

Shepard is around indoctrinated people for seconds, maybe minutes, before he usually blows their brains out. He was inside that Reaper for an hour tops. He has been around Reaper influences for a day, at most a day and a half, collectively and I'm being generous.

...Arrival can only happen because of Shepard. Unless Hackett called on somebody else to do the job...

You were inside a Reaper, not a reaper device, an ACTUAL Reaper. That's about as strong as the influence of indoctrination gets.

Still don't see enough counter-evidence to show Shepard being immune to indoctrination, or there not atleast signs/attempts of it.

Unless you want to accept the whole 'plot armor' thing Bioware has apparently given us, then go for it.

[sistersafetypin]

thesnake777 wrote...

I think IT is a well thought out explanation. However I dont think thats what happened here.

This. It doesn't always have to be some there can be only one, type battle. I think IT fixes almost all the plotholes Bioware left in the game. I just really don't think Hudson and Walters have the Mental Capabilities to pull something so complex off

[liggy002]

alec1898 wrote...

Riddle me this.

Why give Shepard the ability to destroy the reapers if he in turn breaks their hold on him?

You obviously don't understand the indoctrination theory.  Red is supposed to result in Shepard waking up and resisting the indoctrination.  You can't convince a mind that the Reapers are right by not giving it a way out.  The mind will resist the indoctrination attempt.