dreman9999 wrote...
And then you see the same child at the end ofthe game?Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Indoctrination is subtle...
And Mac Walters is anything but subtle.
Here is a child. The child is now dead. Feel sad. I SAID FEEL SAD DAMNIT!!
You don't see something is going on here?
balance5050 wrote...
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's bad writng to include evry symtom of indoctrination in the scene TIM controls Shepard?
Thought we haf been over this already. Indoctration attacks te limbic system. Them attacks motor control. Two very different parts of the brain.
Actually it does much more than that if it's able to manipulate your dreams, the codex doesn't have all the information.
Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 21 mai 2012 - 05:32 .
You clearly don't get indoctrination...Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's bad writng to include evry symtom of indoctrination in the scene TIM controls Shepard?
Thought we went over this already. Indoctration attacks te limbic system. Them attacks motor control. Two very different parts of the brain.
Tom Lehrer wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's bad writng to include evry symtom of indoctrination in the scene TIM controls Shepard?
Thought we haf been over this already. Indoctration attacks te limbic system. Them attacks motor control. Two very different parts of the brain.
Actually it does much more than that if it's able to manipulate your dreams, the codex doesn't have all the information.
Dreams take place in the limbic system.
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690sTom Lehrer wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's bad writng to include evry symtom of indoctrination in the scene TIM controls Shepard?
Thought we haf been over this already. Indoctration attacks te limbic system. Them attacks motor control. Two very different parts of the brain.
Actually it does much more than that if it's able to manipulate your dreams, the codex doesn't have all the information.
Dreams take place in the limbic system.
Modifié par dreman9999, 21 mai 2012 - 05:37 .
dreman9999 wrote...
And then you see the same child at the end ofthe game?Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Indoctrination is subtle...
And Mac Walters is anything but subtle.
Here is a child. The child is now dead. Feel sad. I SAID FEEL SAD DAMNIT!!
You don't see something is going on here?
Common misconception. TIM lost his eyes to the Reaper artifact, but his replacements were provided by the Turians.llbountyhunter wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
TIMs glowing blue eyes are from a reaper artifct that was located in a turan base.
I'm not an IT person, well I'm an IT person for my job lol, but I don't think indoctrination would have presented itself until the Reapers were actually active. Therefore it would have started during ME1.Dean_the_Young wrote...
Common misconception. TIM lost his eyes to the Reaper artifact, but his replacements were provided by the Turians.llbountyhunter wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
TIMs glowing blue eyes are from a reaper artifct that was located in a turan base.
Aside from which, TIM's indoctrination was a late-game change, shortly before or after the start of ME3. He's had eyes for decades, but never shown indicators of indoctrination during that time.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Common misconception. TIM lost his eyes to the Reaper artifact, but his replacements were provided by the Turians.llbountyhunter wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
TIMs glowing blue eyes are from a reaper artifct that was located in a turan base.
Aside from which, TIM's indoctrination was a late-game change, shortly before or after the start of ME3. He's had eyes for decades, but never shown indicators of indoctrination during that time.
No....Dean_the_Young wrote...
Common misconception. TIM lost his eyes to the Reaper artifact, but his replacements were provided by the Turians.llbountyhunter wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
TIMs glowing blue eyes are from a reaper artifct that was located in a turan base.
Aside from which, TIM's indoctrination was a late-game change, shortly before or after the start of ME3. He's had eyes for decades, but never shown indicators of indoctrination during that time.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Common misconception. TIM lost his eyes to the Reaper artifact, but his replacements were provided by the Turians.llbountyhunter wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Blue eyes aren't a sign of indoctrination, they are a sign of implants. TIM's are from the Turians,LadySayuri wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Shepard has never had to justify being able to resist indoctrination because Shepard has never been under the effects of indoctrination. Shepard has never had waking-visions and halucinations, voices in the head while awake, professed empathy or understanding/admiration for Reaper ideals, or seen the resolution waver.
Shepard has never been under prolonged exposure to Reaper indoctrination either: the only opportunity was at Arrival, but for their own (plot) reasons the Reapers wanted Shepard's mind and body intact.
Indoctrination has degrees, just because Shepard's halucinations were in dreams instead of while awake doesn't mean they aren't proof of indoctrination. Look at TIM. In the very beginning of ME2, before Shepard dies, we see that TIM has the glowing blue eyes that are a sign of indoctrination.
TIMs glowing blue eyes are from a reaper artifct that was located in a turan base.
Aside from which, TIM's indoctrination was a late-game change, shortly before or after the start of ME3. He's had eyes for decades, but never shown indicators of indoctrination during that time.
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Very rarely. More often I'm mistaken on an objective fact.balance5050 wrote...
Dean_the_Young.... you a liar?
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Dreams can be symptom but they do not indoctrinate. Sheaprds dreams are a natuarl reapose to normal stress or PTSD. Mac just fails to get the player involved emotionally like he does with everything else he has done in ME.
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Dreams can be symptom but they do not indoctrinate. Sheaprds dreams are a natuarl reapose to normal stress or PTSD. Mac just fails to get the player involved emotionally like he does with everything else he has done in ME.
Modifié par balance5050, 21 mai 2012 - 05:49 .
http://masseffect.wi...#IndoctrinationTom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Dreams can be symptom but they do not indoctrinate. Sheaprds dreams are a natuarl reapose to normal stress or PTSD. Mac just fails to get the player involved emotionally like he does with everything else he has done in ME.
Modifié par dreman9999, 21 mai 2012 - 05:48 .
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Very rarely. More often I'm mistaken on an objective fact.balance5050 wrote...
Dean_the_Young.... you a liar?
Now, are you a slanderer, or just incapable of assuming anything less than malevolent intent?
Modifié par Malditor, 21 mai 2012 - 05:50 .
I can't belevie and anti-ITer just helped to comferm it some more...WOW!balance5050 wrote...
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Dreams can be symptom but they do not indoctrinate. Sheaprds dreams are a natuarl reapose to normal stress or PTSD. Mac just fails to get the player involved emotionally like he does with everything else he has done in ME.
Sorry bud, the evidenced is stacked in favor of indoctrination.
Besides the last dream has an evil version of yourself embrascing the kid and burning up in flames, just like how you get burned if you choose control or synthesis.
dreman9999 wrote...
I can't belevie and anti-ITer just helped to comferm it some more...WOW!balance5050 wrote...
Tom Lehrer wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s
The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams when they were being indoctrinated.
http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s
Base on this and what your saying. The reapers can use Shepards dreams to try to indoctrinate him.
Dreams can be symptom but they do not indoctrinate. Sheaprds dreams are a natuarl reapose to normal stress or PTSD. Mac just fails to get the player involved emotionally like he does with everything else he has done in ME.
Sorry bud, the evidenced is stacked in favor of indoctrination.
Besides the last dream has an evil version of yourself embrascing the kid and burning up in flames, just like how you get burned if you choose control or synthesis.
Uh, no: we've had indications of exactly one other cycle that even attempted a Control strategy. That is not evidence of every cycle wanting to do so by any means.balance5050 wrote...
Going from the in game evidence, everycycle has their own indoctrinated splinter group who wants to control the reapers, and by extension, every cycle has their own TIM that starts it.
TIM being a Reaper pawn since the beginning undermines all other lore in the Mass Effect universe, from the TIM origin comic (in which TIM is responsible for stopping the Reaper gambit), Retribution (when Cerberus is directly responsible for stopping a Reaper Avatar), Mass Effect 1 (when Cerberus was not working with Sovereign or Saren), Mass Effect 2 (when Cerberus was the only reason the Collectots not only failed to beat Shepard, but were destroyed), and Mass Effect 3 (when Cerberus is not providing direct support to the Reapers).TIM was just a reaper pawn in a larger scheme since the beginning.
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