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[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

Make your own argument, or detail what the video says. 

Relying on something else to argue against an opponent is annoying. 

[Dean_the_Young]

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

"We need to hurry, the troops are already hearing voices."

...you do realize what Project Sanctuary achieved, yes?

Do you realise TIM still ended up indoctrinated?

You do realize that you're jumping into conversations you aren't actually tracking, don't you?

TIM wasn't using trooper implants.

Uhm, he still ended up indoctrinated no matter what he was using.

Yes. That is not in dispute. Dreman was jumping off on a tangent selective logic.

Wut? I thought we were talking about TIM this whole time.... Wut?

Dreman has a tendency to jump into any discussion between two people and start an a tangent that ignores what was actually being discussed. Sometimes Dreman does that to his own exchanges as well.

[balance5050]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

So the reapers did trick us then, cool. I like stories that force you to think for yourself.

When will you start?

The Reapers didn't trick us. Hackett always framed the Crucible force in terms of making the Crucible effective, not a conventional victory.

Well not us, just a some people I geuss;)

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

*Points to the reapers.
*Point to the vorcha
Yes, it can.
You not getting the fact that evolution is caused by need. It does just happen. If your race is put is a state of knoe need, then evolution stops.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You clear miss the point made on rennoch...Did younot notice that the conflict we started by organics?

You realize that's irrelevant to point at hand? 

The Reapers harvest organics to stop them developing advanced synthetics that will wipe them out. Conflicts occur and the Reapers don't care. All the want is to stop synthetics from achieving their specified goal. 

A goal that is a load of baloney, mind you. 

2.doyou even know why the reaper set up the mass relays?

Yes, I've detailed why several times now. 

[llbountyhunter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I dont think you understand indoctrination.....

Since Retribution gives us a look at the mind of someone actively undergoing indoctrination (Grayson) and people who are not, and TIM does not follow any of the Grayson indicators even in his own mind, you'll have to make a position of any part you think is wrong.

grayson had nanites directly injected into his bloodstream. one would think they would have different effects.

but actually if you recall graysons last moments, he had the reaper tech but not the reaper influence, even though he was still techically :indoctrinated"

which is what I have been saying: after the artifact was destroyid the decay stopped, and TIM has essentially been indoctrinated for decads.

[ArcanistLibram]

The indoctrination theory is a band-aid. It doesn't solve the problem, but it covers it up and prevents it from getting even worse.

[balance5050]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

"We need to hurry, the troops are already hearing voices."

...you do realize what Project Sanctuary achieved, yes?

Do you realise TIM still ended up indoctrinated?

You do realize that you're jumping into conversations you aren't actually tracking, don't you?

TIM wasn't using trooper implants.

Uhm, he still ended up indoctrinated no matter what he was using.

Yes. That is not in dispute. Dreman was jumping off on a tangent selective logic.

Wut? I thought we were talking about TIM this whole time.... Wut?

Dreman has a tendency to jump into any discussion between two people and start an a tangent that ignores what was actually being discussed. Sometimes Dreman does that to his own exchanges as well.

I like that, he knows what he is talking about usually though he gets kinda heated when people act dumb to avoid conceding to I.T. in any way.

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

Nope... it seems that your knowledge of the evolutionary process is very limited. Adding tech to your body just creates new paths for evolution. A Krogan hybrid is not the same as Human hybrid and both will continue to evolve in different ways.

[Taboo]

My ass is starting to hurt again.

[balance5050]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

Make your own argument, or detail what the video says. 

Relying on something else to argue against an opponent is annoying. 

He's just bringing up in game proof to back up his assertions, something that I.T. guys tend to do, provide evidence.

[Dean_the_Young]

balance5050 wrote...

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

No, it comes from being the alpha. Evolution is not survival of the fittest: it's continuation of the horniest.

Evolution is little more than selective breeding, but the causes that make it selective are irrelevant. In more basic spheres of life, it will be traits that ensure survival for the chance to mate. At higher levels of civilization, where survival is not in question, it will be whatever qualities attract a mate.

If people keep on desiring hot chicks and pass on banging ugly chicks, eventually the gene pool will reflect something as superficial as that.

[Siansonea]

If IT were implemented, it would be an asspull. It is obvious that it wasn't planned from the beginning. Why? Because NOTHING that was planned from the beginning was used properly. Cerberus, the obvious enemy for the second game, was repurposed to become the faction Shepard was working FOR, even though this flies in the face of everything Shepard did in the first game. Work for Cerberus? Really? The guys that killed Admiral Kahoku? The guys responsible for AKUZE? W. T. Freakin'. F.

Forget Indoctrination Theory, Shepard has been an android since waking up on Lazarus Station. A malfunctioning android. A clone of a malfunctioning android. That makes about as much sense as a theory that relies on the main character being out of his mind. Especially since BioWare's go-to "motivation" for all their enemy factions and individuals is "they're Indoctrinated". What a cheap ripoff Indoctrination is, and I'm sick of it being used to justify everything.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 21 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[Taboo]

Actually he isn't an android...Miranda explains this.

They used cell regeneration and used implants to speed up the process because Miranda became impatient.

It's still Shepard.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You clear miss the point made on rennoch...Did younot notice that the conflict we started by organics?

You realize that's irrelevant to point at hand? 

The Reapers harvest organics to stop them developing advanced synthetics that will wipe them out. Conflicts occur and the Reapers don't care. All the want is to stop synthetics from achieving their specified goal. 

A goal that is a load of baloney, mind you. 

2.doyou even know why the reaper set up the mass relays?

Yes, I've detailed why several times now. 

1. It is relvent. That is what the reaper want to stop. Ask your self this, why would synthetics is a technologicl singularity attack organic? Why would synthetics care for organics if they have evenything they need.
Synthetocs don't even have the same needs as organics....Why would they ever fight over anything but yet do?
Not how it wasthe quarians who attack first of rennoch in all times.

2.Ok, do you know the reason why the reaper use it? Can the reaper comb all of space and find all organics and any that will be by themselves with no mass relays?

[balance5050]

mauro2222 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

Nope... it seems that your knowledge of the evolutionary process is very limited. Adding tech to your body just creates new paths for evolution. A Krogan hybrid is not the same as Human hybrid and both will continue to evolve in different ways.

Let's see it from your side....

Natuaral Krogans live for roughly 1000 years, if you cured the genophage they now lay eggs in the thousands. They are able to do this because they were the prey on Tuchanka and evolved to adapt.

Now with synthesis we have Krogans that never die but keep breeding out of control, eventually every world will fall to the Krogans ever expanding population. Corrupting the ecosystem forever.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

*Points to the reapers.
*Point to the vorcha
Yes, it can.
You not getting the fact that evolution is caused by need. It does just happen. If your race is put is a state of knoe need, then evolution stops.

Jesus... is so hard to make sense of any of your posts.

The Vorcha? what the hell they have to do with this?

As long as the enviroment changes, evolution exists. And unless that we live in an empty universe with nothing, with us being all equal grey balls, evolution exists. And eviroment is not just "nature".

[Malditor]

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

"We need to hurry, the troops are already hearing voices."

...you do realize what Project Sanctuary achieved, yes?

Do you realise TIM still ended up indoctrinated?

You do realize that you're jumping into conversations you aren't actually tracking, don't you?

TIM wasn't using trooper implants.

Uhm, he still ended up indoctrinated no matter what he was using.

Yes. That is not in dispute. Dreman was jumping off on a tangent selective logic.

Wut? I thought we were talking about TIM this whole time.... Wut?

Dreman has a tendency to jump into any discussion between two people and start an a tangent that ignores what was actually being discussed. Sometimes Dreman does that to his own exchanges as well.

I like that, he knows what he is talking about usually though he gets kinda heated when people act dumb to avoid conceding to I.T. in any way.

Honestly, I usually see him as the one that acts dumb in avoidance of admitting he is wrong ever.

At one point he said racism and prejudice are ALWAYS the same. Even when he posted definitions for both that clearly showed a difference he ignored it. Though sometimes he does make good arguments he sometimes starts stretching way too far to avoid conceding defeat or acknowledging he was wrong.

[dreman9999]

Siansonea II wrote...

If IT were implemented, it would be an asspull. It is obvious that it wasn't planned from the beginning. Why? Because NOTHING that was planned from the beginning was used properly. Cerberus, the obvious enemy for the second game, was repurposed to become the faction Shepard was working FOR, even though this flies in the face of everything Shepard did in the first game. Work for Cerberus? Really? The guys that killed Admiral Kahoku? The guys responsible for AKUZE? W. T. Freakin'. F.

Forget Indoctrination Theory, Shepard has been an android since waking up on Lazarus Station. A malfunctioning android. A clone of a malfunctioning android. That makes about as much sense as a theory that relies on the main character being out of his mind. Especially since BioWare's go-to "motivation" for all their enemy factions and individuals is "they're Indoctrinated". What a cheap ripoff Indoctrination is, and I'm sick of it being used to justify everything.

From the very second it was brough up it was forshadowed that it had to be face to take down the reapers. It's not an ass pull...It fore shadowing from the first game.

[balance5050]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

No, it comes from being the alpha. Evolution is not survival of the fittest: it's continuation of the horniest.

Evolution is little more than selective breeding, but the causes that make it selective are irrelevant. In more basic spheres of life, it will be traits that ensure survival for the chance to mate. At higher levels of civilization, where survival is not in question, it will be whatever qualities attract a mate.

If people keep on desiring hot chicks and pass on banging ugly chicks, eventually the gene pool will reflect something as superficial as that.

Right, species select partneers that have qualities conducive  to survival. 

[Dean_the_Young]

llbountyhunter wrote...


grayson had nanites directly injected into his bloodstream. one would think they would have different effects.

There is no known or suggested form of Reaper implant that does NOT use nanites.

but actually if you recall graysons last moments, he had the reaper tech but not the reaper influence, even though he was still techically :indoctrinated"

You'll have to be more specific to what you're thinking of, because I'm not: I recall Grayson being increasingly manipulated by his own thoughts, and trapped in an ever shrinking corner of his own mind in the face of any Reaper attention.

which is what I have been saying: after the artifact was destroyid the decay stopped, and TIM has essentially been indoctrinated for decads.

Indoctrination is a binary cumulative, not a transitory progressive, affliction. You are either indoctrinated, or you are not. If you are indoctrinated, you will degrade. There is no such thing as being on pause.

If TIM was indoctrinated from the start, he would have been indoctrinated for decades. Indoctrination does not last for decades: the thrall will die before then.

Nor has TIM shown indicators of indoctrinated thought patterns or actions during that time, both in times when we could read his own thoughts (books) and in other media where his own actions are directly responsible for preventing Reaper successes.

[Malditor]

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

Nope... it seems that your knowledge of the evolutionary process is very limited. Adding tech to your body just creates new paths for evolution. A Krogan hybrid is not the same as Human hybrid and both will continue to evolve in different ways.

Let's see it from your side....

Natuaral Krogans live for roughly 1000 years, if you cured the genophage they now lay eggs in the thousands. They are able to do this because they were the prey on Tuchanka and evolved to adapt.

Now with synthesis we have Krogans that never die but keep breeding out of control, eventually every world will fall to the Krogans ever expanding population. Corrupting the ecosystem forever.

So nobody ever dies now? Not sure how that happened. Didn't see synthesis as immortality.

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

It stops when we get technology stuffed into our DNA through synthesis, evolution comes from strife, not from being the alpha.

Nope... it seems that your knowledge of the evolutionary process is very limited. Adding tech to your body just creates new paths for evolution. A Krogan hybrid is not the same as Human hybrid and both will continue to evolve in different ways.

Let's see it from your side....

Natuaral Krogans live for roughly 1000 years, if you cured the genophage they now lay eggs in the thousands. They are able to do this because they were the prey on Tuchanka and evolved to adapt.

Now with synthesis we have Krogans that never die but keep breeding out of control, eventually every world will fall to the Krogans ever expanding population. Corrupting the ecosystem forever.

Changing the ecosystem. The previous ecosystem is going to fall, and a new one, adapted to krogans, will rise.
And why you assume that they are immortals? We die 'cause our genes dictate that.

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 
Too much technologial progress=stop of biologiacl evolution.

And...? You really are lost.

Comparing Prothean huskification to technological advancement is... stupid.
And no, biological evolution can never be stopped.

*Points to the reapers.
*Point to the vorcha
Yes, it can.
You not getting the fact that evolution is caused by need. It does just happen. If your race is put is a state of knoe need, then evolution stops.

Jesus... is so hard to make sense of any of your posts.

The Vorcha? what the hell they have to do with this?

As long as the enviroment changes, evolution exists. And unless that we live in an empty universe with nothing, with us being all equal grey balls, evolution exists. And eviroment is not just "nature".

Vorcha are evolutionarily inert. It because they can sevive anything except for the vaccums of space They are an example of evolution stopping. 
The reaper say that they are the pinical of evolution....They are also an example of evolution stopping.
I can go on with sharks, red wood trees, sea animals, and plancton.
My point is that it can slow and stop.

[Dean_the_Young]

balance5050 wrote...

Right, species select partneers that have qualities conducive  to survival. 

Breeding.

Evolution is about breeding, not survival: you can survive all you want, but without breeding it's an evolutionary irrelevance. Breeding is what evolution is carried by, and breeding occurs even with high levels of technology.