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[LaZy i IS]

llbountyhunter wrote...

well, evolution has several varying definitions... so we can all technically be right.

No. 

[llbountyhunter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Evolution is random. Mutations occur randomly. Those who are most suited to surviving environmental pressures survive, whilst those who aren't likely die out, or move. 

We have no needs, as humans with technology enough to solve most life-threatening problems, all those that threaten the species as a whole. But we will evolve, because the process is random.

Predators who have existed as the perfect hunting machines for millions of years and had success for it don't need to change. But they do, because evolution is random. 

LOL, evolution is not random it is only the preserverance of succesful genes. Tigers developed stipes over time because it made them better hunters, etc.

And you made comments about others not knowing what evolution was? 

If you don't understand that mutations are random then you shuld just stop. 

mutations=random

evolution =/= random

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Evolution is random. Mutations occur randomly. Those who are most suited to surviving environmental pressures survive, whilst those who aren't likely die out, or move. 

We have no needs, as humans with technology enough to solve most life-threatening problems, all those that threaten the species as a whole. But we will evolve, because the process is random.

Predators who have existed as the perfect hunting machines for millions of years and had success for it don't need to change. But they do, because evolution is random. 

LOL, evolution is not random it is only the preserverance of succesful genes. Tigers developed stipes over time because it made them better hunters, etc.

And you made comments about others not knowing what evolution was? 

If you don't understand that mutations are random then you shuld just stop. 

mutations=random

evolution =/= random

No, that's exactly what it is. 

Mutations randomly occur. The process of evolution is random. There is no predefined outcome. 

[balance5050]

We breed dogs to control theyre mutation and evolution, The evolution is only as random as it's environment.

[Dean_the_Young]

llbountyhunter wrote...

what your describing isnt evolution. its the opposite actually because it makes humans weaker.

Evolution making species stronger is a conceit from the days of social darwinism.

Evolution isn't the strengthening of a species: it's the development and change of a species over time. This isn't done by being stronger, better, or faster: it's done by specializing to the environment, whatever that environment is. This is why species can actually lose capabilities over time: flightless birds, hairless mammals, everything that used to live in the sea but now requires oxygen without hydrogen.

Evolution isn't a process of constant improvement of capability. Evolution is simply the reflection of what bred most: in high-attrition environments in which you must be fit in order to survive, that goes well with physical ability. In environments where it isn't, it doesn't.

[llbountyhunter]

LaZy i IS wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

well, evolution has several varying definitions... so we can all technically be right.

No. 

"evolution" in software is not the same as evolution in nature becausethe variables that arrise are not random.

[balance5050]

LaZy i IS wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

well, evolution has several varying definitions... so we can all technically be right.

No. 

Uhm yes.

[Malditor]

LaZy i IS wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]That's an evolution of thinking not of genectics....That like using how  a person way of thinking from child to adult is proof of evolution.

They changed a way of thinking which is leading to a change in their physical structure which will be passed on to through generations of births. Musculature changes = genetic evolution.

No. 

Well thought out and put argument to disprove the statement.

[Dean_the_Young]

balance5050 wrote...

His tangent are always game related and do tie in to his original point though, your thing was just... random and had nothing to do with the game at all.

It did have to do with his point on evolution, however: specifically an argument based on the invalid nature of his own.

[llbountyhunter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Evolution is random. Mutations occur randomly. Those who are most suited to surviving environmental pressures survive, whilst those who aren't likely die out, or move. 

We have no needs, as humans with technology enough to solve most life-threatening problems, all those that threaten the species as a whole. But we will evolve, because the process is random.

Predators who have existed as the perfect hunting machines for millions of years and had success for it don't need to change. But they do, because evolution is random. 

LOL, evolution is not random it is only the preserverance of succesful genes. Tigers developed stipes over time because it made them better hunters, etc.

And you made comments about others not knowing what evolution was? 

If you don't understand that mutations are random then you shuld just stop. 

mutations=random

evolution =/= random

No, that's exactly what it is. 

Mutations randomly occur. The process of evolution is random. There is no predefined outcome. 

mutations randomly occor yes, BUT nature selects the best of these. otherwise non-beneficial mutations would run rampant.

[Soultaker08]

Evolution has no direction and no goal, its a neutral process

Evolution is not a process of a population growing stronger over an endless amount of time

[The Night Mammoth]

balance5050 wrote...

We breed dogs to control theyre mutation and evolution, The evolution is only as random as it's environment.

We control the evolutionary process, it's genetic engineering on the most basic scale. 

[balance5050]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

what your describing isnt evolution. its the opposite actually because it makes humans weaker.

Evolution making species stronger is a conceit from the days of social darwinism.

Evolution isn't the strengthening of a species: it's the development and change of a species over time. This isn't done by being stronger, better, or faster: it's done by specializing to the environment, whatever that environment is. This is why species can actually lose capabilities over time: flightless birds, hairless mammals, everything that used to live in the sea but now requires oxygen without hydrogen.

Evolution isn't a process of constant improvement of capability. Evolution is simply the reflection of what bred most: in high-attrition environments in which you must be fit in order to survive, that goes well with physical ability. In environments where it isn't, it doesn't.

Right, so evlution would be all kinds of crap after the synthesis.

[balance5050]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

We breed dogs to control theyre mutation and evolution, The evolution is only as random as it's environment.

We control the evolutionary process, it's genetic engineering on the most basic scale. 

Just like the Protheans did to the Asari 

[mauro2222]

llbountyhunter wrote...

one could say the same.

Not at all, you're assumming that evoltion always acts for the good of the species, when in fact is a knife that cuts both ways.

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mutations randomly occor yes, BUT nature selects the best of these. otherwise non-beneficial mutations would run rampant.

They do, all the time, until they die. 

There's still no pre-determined path. It might never happen. A species can develop in an unlimited number of ways to suit its environment. 

[Shepardtheshepard]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Evolution

"The first sharks looked very different from modern sharks"

Nope. No evolution there


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodilia#Evolution_and_classification

"review of their fossil record in the last decade has shown that their snout morphology has been continuously changing throughout evolutionary history."

Nope. No evolution there either.

[balance5050]

mauro2222 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

one could say the same.

Not at all, you're assumming that evoltion always acts for the good of the species, when in fact is a knife that cuts both ways.

Only if the breeders are stupid and don't look for redeeming traits... *cough* humans *cough*

[LaZy i IS]

Malditor wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]That's an evolution of thinking not of genectics....That like using how  a person way of thinking from child to adult is proof of evolution.

They changed a way of thinking which is leading to a change in their physical structure which will be passed on to through generations of births. Musculature changes = genetic evolution.

No. 

Well thought out and put argument to disprove the statement.

It was totally wrong. I needed to prove that? Genes are genes. Changes to the individual during it's life are not passed on, not genetic. This was disproven by Darwin, I don;t need to do it.

[EricHVela]

llbountyhunter wrote...

mutations randomly occor yes, BUT nature selects the best of these. otherwise non-beneficial mutations would run rampant.

That seems to say that the basis of evolution is random trial and error rather than deliberate, intended trial and error.

Random is unpredictable. Given that one cannot predict the mutation, one cannot predict what will be tried and found to be wanting or successful. Only after the random event has happened can one attempt to predict what will be successful. That still leaves the following forumula:

If RND() > 0.5 then TRUE else FALSE

You cannot predict (with the exception of seeding the random value) when that statement is TRUE.

[balance5050]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Evolution

"The first sharks looked very different from modern sharks"

Nope. No evolution there


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodilia#Evolution_and_classification

"review of their fossil record in the last decade has shown that their snout morphology has been continuously changing throughout evolutionary history."

Nope. No evolution there either.

Evolution can happen anywhere, it just happens a lot slower for some.

[llbountyhunter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

what your describing isnt evolution. its the opposite actually because it makes humans weaker.

Evolution making species stronger is a conceit from the days of social darwinism.

Evolution isn't the strengthening of a species: it's the development and change of a species over time. This isn't done by being stronger, better, or faster: it's done by specializing to the environment, whatever that environment is. This is why species can actually lose capabilities over time: flightless birds, hairless mammals, everything that used to live in the sea but now requires oxygen without hydrogen.

Evolution isn't a process of constant improvement of capability. Evolution is simply the reflection of what bred most: in high-attrition environments in which you must be fit in order to survive, that goes well with physical ability. In environments where it isn't, it doesn't.

changing to become more specialized to your environment IS becomeing better.  evolution has never been about becoming stronger faster or smarter just because. its been about becoming faster/smarter, only when iits needed to survive.

why are we even arguing?

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...


LOL, evolution is not random it is only the preserverance of succesful genes. Tigers developed stipes over time because it made them better hunters, etc.

You have officially lost the right to discuss evolution.

[balance5050]

LaZy i IS wrote...

Malditor wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]That's an evolution of thinking not of genectics....That like using how  a person way of thinking from child to adult is proof of evolution.

They changed a way of thinking which is leading to a change in their physical structure which will be passed on to through generations of births. Musculature changes = genetic evolution.

No. 

Well thought out and put argument to disprove the statement.

It was totally wrong. I needed to prove that? Genes are genes. Changes to the individual during it's life are not passed on, not genetic. This was disproven by Darwin, I don;t need to do it.

Apparently you do mate... This is a forum, you need to contribut to the discussion instead of just giving lazy replies.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


LOL, evolution is not random it is only the preserverance of succesful genes. Tigers developed stipes over time because it made them better hunters, etc.

You have officially lost the right to discuss evolution.

The mutations are but animals specifically chooose their mates for their redeeming qualities.