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[Lonsecia]

The only time in the story we could theoretically place Shep close to Reaper tech for an inordinately long period of time, is when s/he's being brought back by Cerberus.
Two years including, through evidence in ME3, temptation to remove Shep's free will through their own form of indoctrination - which in the video TIM refuses to do as he wants Shep to have the same mind, not just be a puppet, as he feels even with the chance of rebellion, Shep's too good a resource to waste.
If they already had ways to do this then, it's entirely probable that they had enough Reaper tech nearby that it could have started to affect Shep, but with their body and mind in such a state, it's possible that's why it doesn't affect him/her in the same way as it normally would.

The only argument I can think of against this is that TIM would be unlikely to keep Reaper tech anywhere near people he needed to keep on his side - though if he was already under the influence, it's just as probable that he 'decided' it was either a risk worth taking, or useful in keeping people under his control.

Of course this is all speculation, but it's really the only window in Shep's existence we have no defined day-by-day account of exactly what Shep's exposed to. The fact Shep's also more or less in a coma during this time is a possible reason it's overlooked. However I don't recall any moment in the game where it talks about what might happen if you're exposed to Reaper tech whilst in such a state.
If it's like radiation, where simply being near it is enough to be exposed, then almost anything's possible. Radiation springs to mind because of the fact that both it and indoctrination are lethal at high concentrations.
If it -needs- you to be conscious at all times to affect you then fair enough.
My understanding of it though is more akin to something on a subliminal level, and as even some (all?) coma patients can hear what's going on around them, it doesn't seem too improbable that it could potentially have an affect on Shepard. I'm not even sure the state Shep's in can even be called a coma as such, as for the most part, s/he's being rebuilt and would possibly have a comparably higher level of consciousness than a coma patient would.

Of course, the fact the ending is only being elaborated on means it's very unlikely any mention of this period will be mentioned, which makes it an unlikely source of evidence in an ending, where it to be revealed that IT was always their plan (which I honestly don't think Bioware had the foresight to pull off, as much as I find IT fascinating).

Having said that, I do think it's an interesting period, as it's the only time in the ME timeline we have no control over Shepard.

I'm aware there are plenty of 'maybes' and a lot of speculation, but it's a long period of time, and it's hard not to imagine Cerberus doing their typically abhorrent things in this time.

[llbountyhunter]

Lonsecia wrote...

The only time in the story we could theoretically place Shep close to Reaper tech for an inordinately long period of time, is when s/he's being brought back by Cerberus.
Two years including, through evidence in ME3, temptation to remove Shep's free will through their own form of indoctrination - which in the video TIM refuses to do as he wants Shep to have the same mind, not just be a puppet, as he feels even with the chance of rebellion, Shep's too good a resource to waste.
If they already had ways to do this then, it's entirely probable that they had enough Reaper tech nearby that it could have started to affect Shep, but with their body and mind in such a state, it's possible that's why it doesn't affect him/her in the same way as it normally would.

The only argument I can think of against this is that TIM would be unlikely to keep Reaper tech anywhere near people he needed to keep on his side - though if he was already under the influence, it's just as probable that he 'decided' it was either a risk worth taking, or useful in keeping people under his control.

Of course this is all speculation, but it's really the only window in Shep's existence we have no defined day-by-day account of exactly what Shep's exposed to. The fact Shep's also more or less in a coma during this time is a possible reason it's overlooked. However I don't recall any moment in the game where it talks about what might happen if you're exposed to Reaper tech whilst in such a state.
If it's like radiation, where simply being near it is enough to be exposed, then almost anything's possible. Radiation springs to mind because of the fact that both it and indoctrination are lethal at high concentrations.
If it -needs- you to be conscious at all times to affect you then fair enough.
My understanding of it though is more akin to something on a subliminal level, and as even some (all?) coma patients can hear what's going on around them, it doesn't seem too improbable that it could potentially have an affect on Shepard. I'm not even sure the state Shep's in can even be called a coma as such, as for the most part, s/he's being rebuilt and would possibly have a comparably higher level of consciousness than a coma patient would.

Of course, the fact the ending is only being elaborated on means it's very unlikely any mention of this period will be mentioned, which makes it an unlikely source of evidence in an ending, where it to be revealed that IT was always their plan (which I honestly don't think Bioware had the foresight to pull off, as much as I find IT fascinating).

Having said that, I do think it's an interesting period, as it's the only time in the ME timeline we have no control over Shepard.

I'm aware there are plenty of 'maybes' and a lot of speculation, but it's a long period of time, and it's hard not to imagine Cerberus doing their typically abhorrent things in this time.

arrival.

[Vapaa]

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

[RavenEyry]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

Yes it is, it was in a comic.

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

arrival is cannon. 

the comic strip introducing james speciffically mention shepard destroying the batarian relay as his crime, so clearly arrival is meant to be part of the story.

[The Night Mammoth]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[llbountyhunter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

well, heres your problem.

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

well, heres your problem.

No really, straight from the mouth of Casey Hudson (trying to hunt down the quote). Mass Effect does not have canon. There's no single correct storyline. 

[dreman9999]

Lonsecia wrote...

The only time in the story we could theoretically place Shep close to Reaper tech for an inordinately long period of time, is when s/he's being brought back by Cerberus.
Two years including, through evidence in ME3, temptation to remove Shep's free will through their own form of indoctrination - which in the video TIM refuses to do as he wants Shep to have the same mind, not just be a puppet, as he feels even with the chance of rebellion, Shep's too good a resource to waste.
If they already had ways to do this then, it's entirely probable that they had enough Reaper tech nearby that it could have started to affect Shep, but with their body and mind in such a state, it's possible that's why it doesn't affect him/her in the same way as it normally would.

The only argument I can think of against this is that TIM would be unlikely to keep Reaper tech anywhere near people he needed to keep on his side - though if he was already under the influence, it's just as probable that he 'decided' it was either a risk worth taking, or useful in keeping people under his control.

Of course this is all speculation, but it's really the only window in Shep's existence we have no defined day-by-day account of exactly what Shep's exposed to. The fact Shep's also more or less in a coma during this time is a possible reason it's overlooked. However I don't recall any moment in the game where it talks about what might happen if you're exposed to Reaper tech whilst in such a state.
If it's like radiation, where simply being near it is enough to be exposed, then almost anything's possible. Radiation springs to mind because of the fact that both it and indoctrination are lethal at high concentrations.
If it -needs- you to be conscious at all times to affect you then fair enough.
My understanding of it though is more akin to something on a subliminal level, and as even some (all?) coma patients can hear what's going on around them, it doesn't seem too improbable that it could potentially have an affect on Shepard. I'm not even sure the state Shep's in can even be called a coma as such, as for the most part, s/he's being rebuilt and would possibly have a comparably higher level of consciousness than a coma patient would.

Of course, the fact the ending is only being elaborated on means it's very unlikely any mention of this period will be mentioned, which makes it an unlikely source of evidence in an ending, where it to be revealed that IT was always their plan (which I honestly don't think Bioware had the foresight to pull off, as much as I find IT fascinating).

Having said that, I do think it's an interesting period, as it's the only time in the ME timeline we have no control over Shepard.

I'm aware there are plenty of 'maybes' and a lot of speculation, but it's a long period of time, and it's hard not to imagine Cerberus doing their typically abhorrent things in this time.

Not true at all. Shepard has been near reaper tech for ME1, Eden prime. From Husk, Sovering himsself 3 times, to a mission with a reaper indoctination device. Shep got more contontact with reaper tech in ME2.
And it seem that you not getting the threay...It states the Shep is in the prosses of indoctrination...
The funny thing about that is that mean the reapers are trying to control Shepards limbic system to further indoctrination....
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination 
"
The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions. "

The funny thing about that is that 
Dreams take place in the limbic system. 
http://neuro.psychia...rticleid=101716  
They limbic system is the base part of our emotions. And it's based with the cause of hallucination.


It even were ptsd is based in.
 

 This is why reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.c...JFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.c...tYTITiTw#t=249s  

[Vapaa]

RavenEyry wrote...

Yes it is, it was in a comic.

Said comic comic was made before they decided Arrival wasn't canon

If you don't play Arrival, the Alliance send marines in the Bahak system and they destroy the relay

The Night Mammoth wrote...

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

Yes there is, at least there is a set of events that doesn't change from one playthrough to another playthrough, like the fact that Liara became the SB and the destruction of the Alpha relay

Modifié par Vapaä, 22 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

So what...Their's also the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech. 

[llbountyhunter]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

well, heres your problem.

No really, straight from the mouth of Casey Hudson (trying to hunt down the quote). Mass Effect does not have canon. There's no single correct storyline. 

the mass effet books would dissagree with you.
and I know casey said that, but having no cannon in a game like mass effect is close to impossibe. 

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Yes it is, it was in a comic.

Said comic comic was made before they decided Arrival wasn't canon

If you don't play Arrival, the Alliance send marines in the Bahak system and they destroy the relay

wrong, they were in devopment at the same time.  

the alliance thing is just a expination to those who didnt play it, but that doesnt mean arrival was not critical to the story.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[Vapaa]

dreman9999 wrote...

So what...Their's also the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech. 

nearly 7 hours in 3 years is very few

llbountyhunter wrote...

the alliance thing is just a expination to those who didnt play it, but that doesnt mean arrival was not critical to the story.

Arrival is critical but Shepard doing the job is not canon

Modifié par Vapaä, 22 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[llbountyhunter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

So what...Their's also the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech. 

true, but I think arrival is when they came up the the basic idea of IT

[Taboo]

There are BASIC canon elements.

Everything else is up to the player.

There is no "canon" Shepard.

[The Night Mammoth]

Vapaä wrote...

Yes there is, at least there is a set of events that doesn't change from one playthrough to another playthrough, like the fact that Liara became the SB and the destruction of the Alpha relay

Because there's no alternative to it. Set points in the story don't make them canon. The number of variables and different outcomes change the general path regardless. 

Cure the Genophage or sabotage it. Wrex or Wreav. Make peace with the Geth, or destroy them. Legion alive or dead. That's why there's no 'canon' like there is in other works of fiction. 

[llbountyhunter]

Taboo-XX wrote...

There are BASIC canon elements.

Everything else is up to the player.

There is no "canon" Shepard.

never said there was.

[The Night Mammoth]

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

well, heres your problem.

No really, straight from the mouth of Casey Hudson (trying to hunt down the quote). Mass Effect does not have canon. There's no single correct storyline. 

the mass effet books would dissagree with you.
and I know casey said that, but having no cannon in a game like mass effect is close to impossibe. 

The books aren't canon either. 

Having canon is close to impossible, due to the number of variables the story contains. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Yes it is, it was in a comic.

Said comic comic was made before they decided Arrival wasn't canon

If you don't play Arrival, the Alliance send marines in the Bahak system and they destroy the relay

The Night Mammoth wrote...

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

Yes there is, at least there is a set of events that doesn't change from one playthrough to another playthrough, like the fact that Liara became the SB and the destruction of the Alpha relay

Arrial is cannon. and it was decided  the moment Shepard was going to be put on trial that arrival is cannon.

[llbountyhunter]

Vapaä wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So what...Their's also the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech. 

nearly 7 hours in 3 years is very few

where did you get 7hrs from?

because 7hrs is more than enough. thanks.

[dreman9999]

Vapaä wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So what...Their's also the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech. 

nearly 7 hours in 3 years is very few

Real life time does not equal game time.
Still 3 years of on and off contact.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
Arrial is cannon. and it was decided  the moment Shepard was going to be put on trial that arrival is cannon.

Then explain why there's a different outcome in-game? 

Canon does not exist in Mass Effect. Anything goes. 

[Vapaa]

dreman9999 wrote...

Arrial is cannon. and it was decided  the moment Shepard was going to be put on trial that arrival is cannon.

No it's not canon

llbountyhunter wrote...

because 7hrs is more than enough. thanks.

No, known indoctrination victims needed DAYS of CONTINUOUS exposure to start loosing their minds

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
arrival.

not canon

There's no such thing as canon in Mass Effect. 

well, heres your problem.

No really, straight from the mouth of Casey Hudson (trying to hunt down the quote). Mass Effect does not have canon. There's no single correct storyline. 

the mass effet books would dissagree with you.
and I know casey said that, but having no cannon in a game like mass effect is close to impossibe. 

The books aren't canon either. 

Having canon is close to impossible, due to the number of variables the story contains. 

Kai Lang and Kalheen Sanders in ME3 say otherwize. They use Paul Greysons experiance in ME:retrubution in ME3's plot as well as the books explains how Saren found Sovergin...
The books are cannon because they are mentions in the main plot.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 mai 2012 - 03:19 .